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How would you spend $2000 to $4000?

It's time for some new floor standing fronts and center with sub. The room is fairly large at over 22' x 30' and high ceilings. All tile and 20' of sliding glass doors. I have a Denon AVR 4800 - an older model that is rated at 125W/ch. We spend more time in theater mode but I pay more attention to sound quality in stereo mode. I was planning to replace the fronts, center and sub. Some good deals on SVS subs today.
Auditioning many speakers isn't easy where we live. We typically sit 15' from front wall and would like a wider sound stage as both my wife and I enjoy the 'sweet spot'. Previously I was able to find posts on speaker rec's for different price points but I'm having a hard time finding them today. Many of the speakers I listen to at stores like Best Buy sound too bright to me, I'd prefer a softer tweeter. How would you spend $2000? Does spending a little more offer significantly better sound? I see a lot of positive reviews of Elac Debut 2 but they seem too affordable to be real.

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Probably go $1000 for two PB12-NSD’s.

Use the Denon.

$3000 for a pair of Revel F36’s and C25 Center.

Even cheaper with a dealer to discount it.

So you could possibly end up with $1000 for a nice steak dinner to enjoy with your new setup.
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If you have some good headphones, you can try out the speaker compare app at Crutchfield. For non-bright, non-fatiguing speakers, look at Wharfedale and ELAC. Another option is the Chane "A" series. You'll probably want to avoid lines like Klipsch, Polk, and Paradigm, or any speakers with a horn or metal-dome tweeter.

All that glass is going to create problems for you unless you have a nice thick curtain or fabric shades to cover it. Avoid plastic, wood, or metal coverings.

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Look at Emotiva. T1 and T2's close-outs
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Hard to beat the Revel Concerta2 series speakers (Revel F36’s and C25 Center).
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Buy some heavy blinds/curtains and a thick rug for the glass and floor, high ceiling could lead to echoing

Keep the Denon,

I’d skip the towers and get large bookshelf speakers and a center channel, plus a HSU VTF3 MK5 or ULS-15 sub over anything SVS,

For speakers... up to your preference but sounds like your room could be lively, so that would mean to me that neutral to laidback would be better in that room then something forward and aggressive.

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A few suggestions for towers:

Revel F36..check with a dealer on this site for pricing
Kef Q950 https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ck-each/1.html
Focal Aria 926(sale on A4L) https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ut-pair/1.html
PSA MT-210T....much more home theater oriented, very high sensitivity.
Canton Chrono SL-596.2. https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...ss-each/1.html

I would try to find a speaker with detailed measurements, as that's the best way to ensure you get a great speaker, or at least purchase from a company with a great track record of well designed speakers that measure extremely well.

You need *A LOT* of sub for that huge space. The PB12-NSD's would be a terrible option IMO as they have very low output above port tune....you will hit their limiters easily in that big space.

The *bare minimum* I'd consider for that space would be a pair of Hsu VTF3.5's. Outside of that, I'd lean towards one larger, more capable sub with the option of adding another someday if you'd like, so you don't have to start over, such as the FV18 from Rythmik
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Thanks for the feedback. I've heard good things about the Revels - how do you find a dealer for them on this site?
I'll also look into the Emotivas, I'm not familiar with them.
How does a rear ported tower compare to a forward port? Rear facing ports seem to make placement more difficult.

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There are a few dealers that sit around on AVS that you can contact for a good deal.

Generally port placement doesn’t matter due to the fact that the output from the port is producing wavelengths that are so long they are essentially omnidirectional.

But if you HAVE to squeeze your towers close to a wall the rear port won’t function properly so front port placement will aid, but not fix the less than optimal placement.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Thanks for the feedback. I've heard good things about the Revels - how do you find a dealer for them on this site?
I'll also look into the Emotivas, I'm not familiar with them.
How does a rear ported tower compare to a forward port? Rear facing ports seem to make placement more difficult.

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Concerning the ports, I'll *technically* agree that the rear port close to the wall can be an issue. However, if you are crossing them to subs and eq'ing below Schroeder as you should be doing, this is perhaps meaningless. Any excess energy around port tune from proximity to the wall is going to be eq'd down anyways....and if crossed at 80 there won't be much contribution from the port anyhow. Also, a benefit of a rear port is that it masks potential port noise vs firing straight towards you. Also, imo, a rear port has a cleaner look than a big hole on the front of the speaker. Now even crossed at 80 Hz, I think you will still get some contribution from the port, so you need a have a few inches clearance from the wall, but I can't imagine this would be a problem for most people(to keep a few inches).

I went through @Rex Anderson for my Revels, but there are a handful of Revel dealers on the sight....browse through the Revel thread and you will see several.......I wish I was familiar with a few more off the top of my head. You can also check to see if you have a Revel dealer locally.
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Thanks for the feedback. I've heard good things about the Revels - how do you find a dealer for them on this site?
I'll also look into the Emotivas, I'm not familiar with them.
How does a rear ported tower compare to a forward port? Rear facing ports seem to make placement more difficult.

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Brian,

I know some dealers on AVS that aren’t as vocal but have great pricing. I see you don’t have enough post to PM so shoot me an email if inclined.

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Probably go $1000 for two PB12-NSD’s.

Use the Denon.

$3000 for a pair of Revel F36’s and C25 Center.

Even cheaper with a dealer to discount it.

So you could possibly end up with $1000 for a nice steak dinner to enjoy with your new setup.
I think this is a really good recommendation, but would take the $1000 and use it for room treatments. If you send a drawing to GIK they will recommend the best treatments for your budget. Brightness is generally a room issue.
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Thanks for the feedback. I've heard good things about the Revels - how do you find a dealer for them on this site?
I'll also look into the Emotivas, I'm not familiar with them.
How does a rear ported tower compare to a forward port? Rear facing ports seem to make placement more difficult.

Brian
I’m with RayGuy, I think I’d avoid the metal and horn loaded tweeters. And stick with soft domes and ribbons.
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It's time for some new floor standing fronts and center with sub. The room is fairly large at over 22' x 30' and high ceilings. All tile and 20' of sliding glass doors. I have a Denon AVR 4800 - an older model that is rated at 125W/ch. We spend more time in theater mode but I pay more attention to sound quality in stereo mode. I was planning to replace the fronts, center and sub. Some good deals on SVS subs today.
Auditioning many speakers isn't easy where we live. We typically sit 15' from front wall and would like a wider sound stage as both my wife and I enjoy the 'sweet spot'. Previously I was able to find posts on speaker rec's for different price points but I'm having a hard time finding them today. Many of the speakers I listen to at stores like Best Buy sound too bright to me, I'd prefer a softer tweeter. How would you spend $2000? Does spending a little more offer significantly better sound?
$2K budget:
1. Emotiva T2 towers, $700/pair (originally $1K)

2. Emotiva C2 center, $400

3. SVS PB12 x 2 = $1000
(if you dislike the Batmobile looks of the Emotivas, substitute Chane A5.5 towers with A2.4 center, similar price range or less with Black Friday bundle discounts)

or if you have space for only one sub:
Hsu VTF-15H sub, about $990 shipped

The Chanes are quite neutral; the Emotivas will be neutral with a hint of warmth.

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It's time for some new floor standing fronts and center with sub. The room is fairly large at over 22' x 30' and high ceilings. All tile and 20' of sliding glass doors. I have a Denon AVR 4800 - an older model that is rated at 125W/ch. We spend more time in theater mode but I pay more attention to sound quality in stereo mode. I was planning to replace the fronts, center and sub. Some good deals on SVS subs today.
Auditioning many speakers isn't easy where we live. We typically sit 15' from front wall and would like a wider sound stage as both my wife and I enjoy the 'sweet spot'. Previously I was able to find posts on speaker rec's for different price points but I'm having a hard time finding them today. Many of the speakers I listen to at stores like Best Buy sound too bright to me, I'd prefer a softer tweeter. How would you spend $2000? Does spending a little more offer significantly better sound? I see a lot of positive reviews of Elac Debut 2 but they seem too affordable to be real.

Thanks,
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Budget $4k. I'm also in the market to replace what I have today: Alex Jones Pioneer 5-speaker setup (plus two Atmos add-on speakers on top of the two fronts). I was considering the SVS Ultima 5-speaker setup with 4 Prime Elevations and two SVS PB12-NSD subs.

I just received SVS subs about a week ago.

Do I go with the SVS setup to have all SVS or do I get the 4 Prime Elevations with the Focal Aria setup on sale at Adorama right now? My listening is done from a separate receiver and Kef LS50s so this will be almost 100% for HT.

Interested in some thoughts from fellow audiophiles. This system will be all I get for some time.

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Budget $4k. I'm also in the market to replace what I have today: Alex Jones Pioneer 5-speaker setup (plus two Atmos add-on speakers on top of the two fronts). I was considering the SVS Ultima 5-speaker setup with 4 Prime Elevations and two SVS PB12-NSD subs.

I just received SVS subs about a week ago.

Do I go with the SVS setup to have all SVS or do I get the 4 Prime Elevations with the Focal Aria setup on sale at Adorama right now? My listening is done from a separate receiver and Kef LS50s so this will be almost 100% for HT.

Interested in some thoughts from fellow audiophiles. This system will be all I get for some time.

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I went with the full Svs ultra setup and I’m very happy with them. I did towers instead of bookshelves.
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Do I go with the SVS setup to have all SVS or do I get the 4 Prime Elevations with the Focal Aria setup on sale at Adorama right now?
Focal Aria over SVS all day long.
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