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Wait Nevermind.... only one is in stock... whew... my crazy self was actually contemplating picking up two black tfe100s and selling off the cherry ones! What a relief... stress levels back down to normal!
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DCM TP160C $90.00 TP260 x2 $260.00 TP160BDP x2 $120.00 total: $470.00


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Klipsch R-25C $100.00 R-26F x2 $250.00 R-15M x2 $50.00 total: $400.00





And what would be the difference quality wise between the two? Don't bother just saying, "DCM" or "Klipsch". Literally does nothing for me lol.

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DCM TP160C $90.00 TP260 x2 $260.00 TP160BDP x2 $120.00 total: $470.00

If you can listen to the Klipsch at a best buy it might give you an idea on their brightness. I think the DCM's would be less fatiguing.
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DCM TP160C $90.00 TP260 x2 $260.00 TP160BDP x2 $120.00 total: $470.00

If you can listen to the Klipsch at a best buy it might give you an idea on their brightness. I think the DCM's would be less fatiguing.

I do own rp-150M speakers for my desktop and the Reference series set is coming from a friend. so i can demo them.


are they about the same audio quality?

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I do own rp-150M speakers for my desktop and the Reference series set is coming from a friend. so i can demo them.


are they about the same audio quality?
The RP series is better than the Reference series as they did tame the highs. I'd definitely listen to the R's if you can. The DCM's are very, very good for the price. I have the bookshelf and really like it. Better than Elac 6.2 I listened to. Have not compared to any Klipsch's.
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DCM TP160C $90.00 TP260 x2 $260.00 TP160BDP x2 $120.00 total: $470.00


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Klipsch R-25C $100.00 R-26F x2 $250.00 R-15M x2 $50.00 total: $400.00





And what would be the difference quality wise between the two? Don't bother just saying, "DCM" or "Klipsch". Literally does nothing for me lol.
dcm should sound better on a lot of material.. the clarity for klipsch *might* be a bit better, and they might get a tad louder.. i would think virtually any other variable you might want to know about would probably favor dcm.. tonality should be better, fullness, bass.. mids should be more realistic, treble should be less(not) harsh...jmo, and others may differ..

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DCM TP160C $90.00 TP260 x2 $260.00 TP160BDP x2 $120.00 total: $470.00

If you can listen to the Klipsch at a best buy it might give you an idea on their brightness. I think the DCM's would be less fatiguing.
Before buying the dcm speakers, I had some klipsch synergy f2s (obviously lower line than yours).... the synergy were way too bright for my taste... I swear they practically made my ears ring after listening for too long.... also at higher volumes they tended to sound much more distorted...but I believe they are more sensitive than the dcms.... not sure how your line would perform against them... just my 2 cents... I’ve heard from others that the aluminum tweeters in the synergy weren’t exactly their best design

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Wait Nevermind.... only one is in stock... whew... my crazy self was actually contemplating picking up two black tfe100s and selling off the cherry ones! What a relief... stress levels back down to normal!

LMAO!! Dodged that bullet! (heavy sigh of relief)
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YeeHaa baby!!! Fire those critters up!
I plan on it later when I get home from work! Also got some volt 10's I'm working on for surrounds in my main setup so I'll be a busy bee!
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MTX branded/marketed/priced the TFE100 as a higher level speaker than the TPS260.
(You can search for them and do a comparison at mtxaudio.com)

pricedrightsales bases their price on the deal they cut with MTX for each speaker, so it's possible to get a "better" speaker for less money in this closeout.

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whats the best DCM speaker?
the TP260 is priced at $260/pair vs TFE100 at $250?
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going with the Kipsch setup. help offload speakers for a friends + very good price + much better resale value vs DCM. DCM resale seems almost impossible to do considering to most it will seem like an absolute random speaker lineup from walmart.

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going with the Kipsch setup. help offload speakers for a friends + very good price + much better resale value vs DCM. DCM resale seems almost impossible to do considering to most it will seem like an absolute random speaker lineup from walmart.
Fair enough! There’s always the possibility that dcm sells out and becomes a bit of a cult classic though (shrug).... FWIW, I didn’t have too much trouble selling my klipsch speakers but had to break up the full set and sell to multiple buyers

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So kinda funny. I assumed both of the tfe60's were in the big box that I received but turns out it was only one!
Quick call to prs and the other is on its way.
These puppies are pretty big!
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So while I'm waiting for the other speaker to show up I got the center and the one speaker hooked up.
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Seeing how this thread has taken a turn, I'll just throw more fuel on the fire ->


My TFE60s and TFE100s sound better, to me, than my Polk LSiM703s, Infinity R162, Sony Cores, and Boston Acoustics A25 and M25s....


Make that what you will but the TFEs have replaced my entire living room LSiM setup. Though I will say - the bass heaviness is real. Originally set x-over to 60 and was VERY heavy. Changing to 90 to 100 seems to have helped a ton.

Interesting about the bass! I had read this, and yet the room I have them they needed a sub added to sound right to me. BUT: this room is 17' wide, roughly 40' long, 10' high. It opens into the "living room" (I designed & built the house; it is central and would be the LR for 'normal people, but my plan and use is THEATER) with a 4' x 7' opening ... which itself has an 8' x 9' opening into the 20' tall foyer. So it is WIDE OPEN, and so a sub helps in a space with little room gain.


Bargain closeouts? Yes, and a steal. I also jumped in when Klipsch was blowing out the Mirage OMD line, simply incredible speakers that were sold for about 30-40% of MSRP. I actually was looking at the LSiM703 for $500/pr or something like that when Adorama had them on sale. But seeing these DCMs for half the price seemed too good to miss out on. I cannot recommend these too highly, and yet I see the same old naysayer, and then someone who just registered who is also making noise! Fine, don't worry about it, dude.


I haven't been over here as I have been far too preoccupied with the greatest bargain in subwoofer history: 4 x $29 JBL 12" in a Devastator that will NEVER be exceeded in 'bang-for-the-buck' subwoofer performance. NEVER! For those who haven't looked at it, go over to the the DIY Speaker & Sub subforum. Chris has done an incredible amount of work in this. I'm sure naysayers will show up for that as well, although he has done enough measurements to validate the design meeting modeled performance specs.


Someone asking about lower line Klipsch: no thank you. Their ultra-high end (RFIII, I believe) are great speakers. Worrying about resale for a pair of great tower speakers you can buy for $250 SHIPPED vs. the quality you will enjoy doesn't make sense for me. Your money, your ears ... your choice!
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Someone asking about lower line Klipsch: no thank you. Their ultra-high end (RFIII, I believe) are great speakers. Worrying about resale for a pair of great tower speakers you can buy for $250 SHIPPED vs. the quality you will enjoy doesn't make sense for me. Your money, your ears ... your choice!
Agree, resale concerns on these $250/pair floorstanders does not make sense to me either. They are good enough to keep or to gift to someone - that's where the value lies, IMO. Good luck finding better sounding floorstanders for $250/pair, or 2-3X that price.

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Interesting about the bass! I had read this, and yet the room I have them they needed a sub added to sound right to me. BUT: this room is 17' wide, roughly 40' long, 10' high. It opens into the "living room" (I designed & built the house; it is central and would be the LR for 'normal people, but my plan and use is THEATER) with a 4' x 7' opening ... which itself has an 8' x 9' opening into the 20' tall foyer. So it is WIDE OPEN, and so a sub helps in a space with little room gain.


Bargain closeouts? Yes, and a steal. I also jumped in when Klipsch was blowing out the Mirage OMD line, simply incredible speakers that were sold for about 30-40% of MSRP. I actually was looking at the LSiM703 for $500/pr or something like that when Adorama had them on sale. But seeing these DCMs for half the price seemed too good to miss out on. I cannot recommend these too highly, and yet I see the same old naysayer, and then someone who just registered who is also making noise! Fine, don't worry about it, dude.


I haven't been over here as I have been far too preoccupied with the greatest bargain in subwoofer history: 4 x $29 JBL 12" in a Devastator that will NEVER be exceeded in 'bang-for-the-buck' subwoofer performance. NEVER! For those who haven't looked at it, go over to the the DIY Speaker & Sub subforum. Chris has done an incredible amount of work in this. I'm sure naysayers will show up for that as well, although he has done enough measurements to validate the design meeting modeled performance specs.


Someone asking about lower line Klipsch: no thank you. Their ultra-high end (RFIII, I believe) are great speakers. Worrying about resale for a pair of great tower speakers you can buy for $250 SHIPPED vs. the quality you will enjoy doesn't make sense for me. Your money, your ears ... your choice!

your posts makes no sense and is all over the place. surely you mean you "cant recommend them enough"? posts like this is why i have such doubt. overly enthusiastically awkward posts combined with poor quality control/poor shipping prep and odd seller actions.



also, resell value should be a factor. this is a budget system. $250-400 means a lot more at this price point than $2000 systems. it should be inherently obvious that this isn't a stopping point and an upgrade in the future is fairly reasonable to assume. saying resale value holds no value is idiotic.


it shouldn't be surprising these are bass heavy either. considering MTX is known for their walmart car audio equipment.

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your posts makes no sense and is all over the place. surely you mean you "cant recommend them enough"? posts like this is why i have such doubt. overly enthusiastically awkward posts combined with poor quality control/poor shipping prep and odd seller actions.



also, resell value should be a factor. this is a budget system. $250-400 means a lot more at this price point than $2000 systems. it should be inherently obvious that this isn't a stopping point and an upgrade in the future is fairly reasonable to assume. saying resale value holds no value is idiotic.


it shouldn't be surprising these are bass heavy either. considering MTX is known for their walmart car audio equipment.
I had no issue understanding what he was saying. Some people buy audio equipment as an "investment", I guess. Others just want good sounding audio/video without emptying their wallets, and will hang onto those they like for years. The used market is supply/demand, even the "hallowed" brand names may or may not sell at a profit.
Obviously, these speakers are not your cup of tea. Doesn't mean they aren't a good value and that others won't completely enjoy them.

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your posts makes no sense and is all over the place. surely you mean you "cant recommend them enough"? posts like this is why i have such doubt. overly enthusiastically awkward posts combined with poor quality control/poor shipping prep and odd seller actions.



also, resell value should be a factor. this is a budget system. $250-400 means a lot more at this price point than $2000 systems. it should be inherently obvious that this isn't a stopping point and an upgrade in the future is fairly reasonable to assume. saying resale value holds no value is idiotic.


it shouldn't be surprising these are bass heavy either. considering MTX is known for their walmart car audio equipment.
I've been reading all the posts related to this DCM line and while I understand your skepticism, I don't believe the posters here are writing with malice, I do share your concerns with the shipper but so far he has accepted every return, he's been on the level with everything he's told a friend of mine, so far I don't see a problem with you ordering these speakers and returning them successfully if you don't like them. I don't like what he told one or possibly two posters here, that once they returned the damaged TFE100 (from shipping), they could not order another one and get a refund if the same thing happened or if they did not like them, in my world, you either sell the product or refuse to sell the product but don't change your return policy just for that one person.

My issue is that if I can avoid it, I don't feel like hauling these up a couple of floors only to have to haul them back down if they do underwhelm and I wish there was some speaker chart that could determine what would match my ancient tower speakers, Sony SS-U501.

I'm skeptical the TP260 can provide the same sound volume as compared to my tower consisting of one 12" passive radiator woofer, one active 12" woofer, one 4" mid, one 3" tweeter. If there was a formula, forgetting about sound signature for a second, just a formula to say, these would fit the bill, I'd have bought them already.

The other thing is this world is so subjective, I get the feeling that many here favor a more dynamic speaker than I would like, many of the same people here who are recommending this DCM line, were very positive about the Sony Core SSCS5 line, I did not like those Cores.

Not that I am right and they are wrong, just two different opinions but it makes me wonder whether these DCM speakers won't be that much different than the Sony Cores. I get that speakers are different today and the smaller 6.5" woofers can throw a bigger soundstage than speakers from years ago but can they match a 12" woofer, regardless of if you think it is junk sound, can it really fill the room in the samer manner at low volume levels.

I don't know, worse case scenario I miss out on this deal and I have to spend $600 to match the TP260's, oh well, this is not like finding the Ark of the Covenant, that type of hyperbole (Deal of the Century, Cult Classic, Hearing sounds from movies I never heard before) is difficult to believe. I don't believe that the people writing it are making it up, I just think they are a little too overexuberant.

Heck the Emotiva Airmotiv T-Zero for $399 could probably match the DCM TP260. With that you get a five year warranty and possibly a more neutral sound.

And one other thing, many here point to the original price for these, TP260 around $600, TFE100 around $500 and even higher $800 in the year 2007, that does not prove anything regarding their current worth or whether they will perform or what kind of deal you are getting at the current closeout prices.

There is an equal chance they were overpriced back then, it is one of those things that makes a consumer think they are getting a whiz bang deal, think to Borders with their 40 percent off DVD sales, problem is their price without the discount was super inflated, you could find the same DVD on Amazon, retail price on Amazon was the 40 percent off price at Borders.

Human nature though as the "deal of the century" and the original price stuff had me experiencing the fear of missing out.

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Also remember that Dennis Murphy who is highly respected here, wrote that the DCM TP line needs a resistor to cut the power of the tweeters, they were too bright or harsh in his opinion, others report the TFE tweeter does not need such a resistor but the bass might be too much.

Another site with DIY speaker hobbyists thought the speaker was just "OK", at least that appeared to be the consensus, you can Google it. Again you'll only know if you try them and are willing to go through the return process if for you they turn out to be overhyped.
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Also remember that Dennis Murphy who is highly respected here, wrote that the DCM TP line needs a resistor to cut the power of the tweeters, they were too bright or harsh in his opinion, others report the TFE tweeter does not need such a resistor but the bass might be too much.

Another site with DIY speaker hobbyists thought the speaker was just "OK", at least that appeared to be the consensus, you can Google it. Again you'll only know if you try them and are willing to go through the return process if for you they turn out to be overhyped.
Dennis Murphy also said they were one of the best measuring speakers he's ever tested and instead of redoing the crossover (his area of expertise), all he did was add a resistor to bring the highs in line with the rest of the range. Please don't misrepresent what he said.

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Dennis Murphy also said they were one of the best measuring speakers he's ever tested and instead of redoing the crossover (his area of expertise), all he did was add a resistor to bring the highs in line with the rest of the range. Please don't misrepresent what he said.

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OK, I should have added more context but you should have as well, here is his original report: "They're the best measuring speakers I've encountered in the budget field, and one of the best period within their frequency range."

You left out "budget field", no way they could be the best ever among all priced speakers and still need a resistor. The experts here will have to tell me what he means by the best "within their frequency range", what does that include and not include. Also I don't know what price levels the budget field entails in his world.

Also I don't want to know or read that this speaker is the best at its current price point, I want to know if it outranks speakers at its original retail price point.

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OK, I should have added more context but you should have as well, here is his original report: "They're the best measuring speakers I've encountered in the budget field, and one of the best period within their frequency range."

You left out "budget field", no way they could be the best ever among all priced speakers and still need a resistor. The experts here will have to tell me what he means by the best "within their frequency range", what does that include and not include. Also I don't know what price levels the budget field entails in his world.
What part of "and one of the best period within their frequency range" do you not understand? Within their frequency range means, quite literally, within the range of frequencies the speaker can play, ie. it's a bookshelf speaker so obviously deep bass frequencies would not be measured.

"one of the best period" needs no other qualification and is entirely consistent with "one of the best measuring he's ever tested."

Seems like you're desperately grasping at straws.
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What part of "and one of the best period within their frequency range" do you not understand? Within their frequency range means, quite literally, within the range of frequencies the speaker can play.
I explained in my post I did not understand what he was getting at because if you what you wrote is true, then he is contradicting himself, if the frequency range covers all speakers at all price points, then it is not the best ever in the budget field, it is the best ever.

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I explained in my post I did not understand what he was getting at because if you what you wrote is true, then he is contradicting himself, if the frequency range covers all speakers at all price points, then it is not the best ever in the budget field, it is the best ever.

And if you believe the best this man has ever tested needs a modification, many bridges to sell, many many bridges.
He and I clearly said "one of the best" - does not mean "the best ever." What I do or don't believe is not relevant - his own words speak for himself.
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He and I clearly said "one of the best" - does not mean "the best ever." What I do or don't believe is not relevant - his own words speak for himself.
OK, forget about the semantics, one of the things that makes me question these speakers is the need for a modification for some listeners, not all.
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your posts makes no sense and is all over the place. surely you mean you "cant recommend them enough"? posts like this is why i have such doubt. overly enthusiastically awkward posts combined with poor quality control/poor shipping prep and odd seller actions.



also, resell value should be a factor. this is a budget system. $250-400 means a lot more at this price point than $2000 systems. it should be inherently obvious that this isn't a stopping point and an upgrade in the future is fairly reasonable to assume. saying resale value holds no value is idiotic.


it shouldn't be surprising these are bass heavy either. considering MTX is known for their walmart car audio equipment.

Im trying to wrap my head around a 250 dollar speaker purchase being and investment and needing a "resale value"?!!?? Everything you buy for a HT will depreciate the minute you take delivery. What do you expect out of your 250 dollar speakers 60%? 75% resale value? At what point does paying 250 bucks for probably 500+ dollars in sound quality make sense to you? I know Im going to upgrade. The LAST thing in my mind when I hit "buy" was how much will I get out of these when I sell them. Im expecting to run them ragged as I move them from room to room and then having to pay 20 bucks to have the garbage man haul them away. Your statement that at the 200-400 dollar range the resell value being more important then at the 2K range is beyond absurd. You effectively said, 200 dollars is way more important then 2000 dollars.. Your money I guess. I know I wont spend hours of my time fretting over a few hundred bucks. I might over a few thousand. Everybody's priorities are different I guess. Go get you a set of JTR's. Then based on your input above the resale value of 10K is not important?

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