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post #31 of 252 Old 12-13-2019, 02:04 PM
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Oh that gives me a pause then. If I'm spending close to $2000 on these KEF LS50s, I'd like them to last 10 years at least, including to prevent the pain of more searching on AVS and more auditioning in a few years.
You'll get 20+ years out of passive speakers with proper care. AVR 's/amps are a lot cheaper to swap out and the speakers can easily be used in other rooms in a few years. The Marantz NR1200 would be a great option to drive your speakers.
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Yet another option: https://totemacoustic.com/product/kin-play/. Powered, but also can be used as passive, no Wi-Fi but has Bluetooth, RCA (line-level/Phono switchable), 3.5 mm, and optical inputs. Extends down to 39 Hz +/- 3dB, but has a sub out.


If you decide to go with passive speakers, this little integrated amp might work for you: https://www.paradigm.com/en/wireless/pw-amp. Only has Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and line-level RCA inputs, plus a sub output, but includes Anthem Room Correction (ARC) and has Anthem Class D amps. Uses DTS Play-Fi for streaming and "Works with Alexa". Has been heavily discounted, quite possibly discontinued, but still available.


Both the above are available from the manufacturers on-line stores.


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Dynaudio Xeo or their professional series BM5 would match the LS50W.
The original Xeo series launched in 2012, way before everyone else jumped on board.

Dali Zensor 1AX is a low cost option, not as good as the Dyns or KEF but could be a low entry point to active speakers.
Funny you mention that. My friend in NYC who has the wireless KEF LS50 in one room has the Dali Oberon in another room but driven by a Marantz 1200 he said.
I have Dali Concept 1s in my bedroom powered by an onkyo receiver.
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And lastly Dynaudio Contour 20s in my living room powered by a Naim Uniti Star

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Oh that gives me a pause then. If I'm spending close to $2000 on these KEF LS50s, I'd like them to last 10 years at least, including to prevent the pain of more searching on AVS and more auditioning in a few years.
I've had powered speakers that lasted 20 years+ years and would likely still be going strong but I gave them to my friend who's house burned.

But yeah, $1500 +/- is a lot; how about closer to $500?

You can get some decent ones that are less expensive but make sure it has a sub out as you will want to add a modest sub.

One option.

PSB makes great stuff.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_760ALP...Alpha-PS1.html

Add this sub will take up minimal space under your desk.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_760SS1...eries-100.html
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Good pair of passive speakers and this...
https://www.amazon.com/Elac-Discover...tronics&sr=1-1
SPECIFICATIONS
Amplifier: BASH Digital Fidelity Tracking Amplifier
Power output Continuous:
2 x 80 Watts 2 channels driven into 4 ohms @ 1kHz
2 x 40 Watts 2 channels driven into 8 ohms @ 1kHz
2 x 70 Watts 2 channels driven into 2 ohms @ 1kHz
Power output burst (CEA 2010*):
120 Watts 1 channel driven into 4 ohms @ 1kHz
65 Watts 1 channel driven into 8 ohms @ 1kHz
170 Watts 1 channel driven into 2 ohms @ 1kHz
Power and THD+N, 1kHz:
4 ohms 70 Watts @ .07%
8 ohms 40 Watts @ .03%
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: (Full Power Digital input): 101dB
Broadband Frequency Response: 20Hz to 40kHz +/- 1.8dB
Analog inputs: 2
Digital inputs: 2 total; 1 optical / 1 coaxial (192kHz 24-bit)
Ethernet Input: 1
Wi-Fi: Yes
Subwoofer Output: 1
Pre-Amp Outputs: 1 (L/R)
Bluetooth audio: Yes
Audio Decoding: Dolby Digital
Streaming Services: Discovery, Roon Ready, Spotify Connect, AirPlay, Bluetooth, DLNA
Display: OEL
App Control: Yes, iOS and Android control app. A Bluetooth 4.0 low-energy Android or iOS device is required to use this application.
Room Correction: ABC (Auto Blend & Calibrate)
All specifications subject to change.
Power Consumption:
Power Off 120Vac: .86W
Auto-Off 120Vac: 5.45W
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Good pair of passive speakers and this...
https://www.amazon.com/Elac-Discover...tronics&sr=1-1
SPECIFICATIONS
Amplifier: BASH Digital Fidelity Tracking Amplifier
Power output Continuous:
2 x 80 Watts 2 channels driven into 4 ohms @ 1kHz
2 x 40 Watts 2 channels driven into 8 ohms @ 1kHz
2 x 70 Watts 2 channels driven into 2 ohms @ 1kHz
Power output burst (CEA 2010*):
120 Watts 1 channel driven into 4 ohms @ 1kHz
65 Watts 1 channel driven into 8 ohms @ 1kHz
170 Watts 1 channel driven into 2 ohms @ 1kHz
Power and THD+N, 1kHz:
4 ohms 70 Watts @ .07%
8 ohms 40 Watts @ .03%
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: (Full Power Digital input): 101dB
Broadband Frequency Response: 20Hz to 40kHz +/- 1.8dB
Analog inputs: 2
Digital inputs: 2 total; 1 optical / 1 coaxial (192kHz 24-bit)
Ethernet Input: 1
Wi-Fi: Yes
Subwoofer Output: 1
Pre-Amp Outputs: 1 (L/R)
Bluetooth audio: Yes
Audio Decoding: Dolby Digital
Streaming Services: Discovery, Roon Ready, Spotify Connect, AirPlay, Bluetooth, DLNA
Display: OEL
App Control: Yes, iOS and Android control app. A Bluetooth 4.0 low-energy Android or iOS device is required to use this application.
Room Correction: ABC (Auto Blend & Calibrate)
All specifications subject to change.
Power Consumption:
Power Off 120Vac: .86W
Auto-Off 120Vac: 5.45W
I'm sure that's a nice amp but $940??? Ouch!

That's even more than the Marantz NR line of slimline receivers!
https://www.crutchfield.com/g_10420/...FBrand|Marantz

I guess if one is REALLY pressed for desk space...
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I worked as a recording engineer for over 30 years and used a lot of different nearfield monitors. In your price range, I would give serious consideration to JBL LSR 705Ps. Many pro audio guys are using them and the bigger LSR708P.
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Heard great things about the dynaudio bm5 mkiii..but my understanding you need the volume control for these..


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Get a pair of Dynaudio BM5 MKIII and call it a day. I have been enjoying mines for the last 4 years. Dynaudio discontinued them when they released the LYD series but because customers wanted them back, they started producing them again. Get a nice USB audio interface and you are done. In my case I have an Apogee Quartet audio interface + Dynaudio BM5 MKIII active monitors + Rythmik Audio L22 subwoofer.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...udio-bm5-mkiii[/quote @enricoclaudio , several folks on AVS have asked me to meet and talk with you. I live in Austin and am very interested in visiting Rhythmik and picking up one or two subs. Are you still based in Cedar Park? If possible, I'd love to be able to see your home system since I'm trying to get the Ascend Sierra 2EXs and L12/F12. I'd love to be able to see your desktop system too since I'm getting more convinced it's the right one for me based on (1) actually designed for nearfield so soundstage/imaging will match desktop use, (2) great reviews, (3) goes down to 42 Hz so I can add a sub in a few months. I'm keen on visiting Rhythmik and learning more about the subs and how to set up. Ciao.
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Heard great things about the dynaudio bm5 mkiii..but my understanding you need the volume control for these..


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I got the volume control when purchased them but returned it back because no need it if you have an audio interface or can control de volume via software.
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Desktop: Dynaudio BM5 mkIII | Rythmik L22 | Apogee Quartet | 27" iMac| Bedroom: B&W 685 S2 | Rythmik LVX12 | Marantz SR6013 | Sony X700 + ATV 4K | Sony XBR-65Z9D |
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Thanks, I don't mind getting that audio interface thing you have in the picture you posted. But why is it needed? Won't a USB out or 3.5mm out from my laptop directly connect to the speakers? Does the audio interface help SQ or what does it do? Just curious.

And thanks for the Rhythmik info. I'll call Brian and go visit. I'll make it to HOU sometime and check out your Ascend system, thanks.
Well, this is a very expensive audio interface. I use it as an external USB DAC because it has ESS Sabre 32 DAC which is much better than any laptop DAC. Second it has 4 x balanced or unbalanced inputs and 6 x balanced outputs + 2 x unbalanced outputs (headphones). It does a lot of other things like support for 8 x ADAT channels, optical In/out, etc. I have it because I can run a 5.1 speaker setup with this audio interface and also I do some recordings here at home, editing with Pro Tools and Logic Pro X and a few other stuff audio wise for work (I'm full time audio engineer and work part time for Rythmik Audio). You don't need an audio interface like this one but the Apogee Quartet is very convenient if you have a 2.1 system as one of the 6 outputs can be configured as subwoofer out which in my case is convenient. You have to listen and decide yourself if it's worthy. The only thing I can tell you is that everybody when comes and listen to my near field system get impressed and get an Apogee audio interface immediately. BTW, the Apogee Duet is less expensive and works the same. I had that one before in my desk but upgraded to Quartet and have the Duet in my backpack.

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Getting more and more interested in Kanto YU6 unless anyone has heard bad things? It's got a hardware volume knob and will connect wired to my laptop dock, which is what I'd like I think. Also, it's for a SUB8 that goes down to 35 Hz they say (I don't know if 3 dB or 6 dB). But the speakers themselves go down to 50 Hz they say, which is also good. Can cross sub at 80 Hz then.

I'll also look at the one Enrico mentioned

Anyone heard bad things about Kanto YU6?
This guy like them and they measure pretty darned well; the USB port is for charging only though.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-system-review

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OK I'll read all this stuff this weekend. So no one recommends any other powered speakers, such as Kanto, Audioengine, Edifier? Are they vastly or noticeably inferior to the KEF LS50 powered. While my budget is $1500, if there's something cheaper that is not noticeably inferior, I'd like to audition.


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Geoff, I read the s&v review, thanks. He says not to use Bluetooth. The Kanto has no USB in so I intend to use 3.5 mm out from my PC (and play Tidal premium). Is 3.5 mm inferior sound to USB, since the PC's DAC will be used?

Enrico did say PCs don't have good DACs compared to audio interface.

If I don't get the audio interface, the only way to connect my PC to the Dynaudio mkIII speakers is using a 3.5 mm to RCA cable?
Plenty of DAC reviews out their comparing $5 DACs to $1000 DACs that show virtually no difference.

I have to use analog input as my receiver is from the eighties and it sounds just fine using a miniplug to dual RCA cable; in my case that cable is 25 feet long as the PC isn't close to the receiver.

Still sounds fine.
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OK, if I'm spending $20 a month on Tidal Premium and buying expensive speakers, I don't want my interface between Tidal and the speakers to inadvertently reduce the quality.
That $16 UGreen DAC from Amazon I linked to earlier is all you need. But if you want the placebo effect of a pricey DAC, hey it's your money.

Regarding the speakers, yes rear-ported should be avoided esp. if you are trying to get a speaker that can stand alone without a sub.
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the Focal Alpha's will sound better for just listening to music!
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...studio-monitor
I would keep Focal on a short list -- they make some good stuff
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OK, if I'm spending $20 a month on Tidal Premium and buying expensive speakers, I don't want my interface between Tidal and the speakers to inadvertently reduce the quality.

In case this helps others, here is info from Sweetwater:

I would recommend getting an audio interface to connect to your computer, it will greatly increase the quality of the audio. Most computers don't have good audio converters built into them, so getting an audio interface will give you better converters. I recommend the Motu M2. If you're not doing any recording you don't need any high end mic preamps or A/D converts, you just need good quality D/A converts. The M2 has ESS Sabre32 which are some of the best in the industry. Using that interface will give you great sound quality!
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...udio-interface

They Dynaudio monitors are great, but the BM5's are designed to have a very flat frequency response. They are also rear ported, which means if you're setting your monitors up against a wall on your computer desk the low frequencies are going to be out of phase because they're bouncing off the wall behind your desk. I would recommend looking at the Focal Alpha 65's, those are fantastic sounding speakers and will serve you better for what you're using them for! They're front ported, so the low end is going to sound much better and everything will be phase aligned. The BM5's are great, but they're better used in a studio for mixing, the Focal Alpha's will sound better for just listening to music!
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...studio-monitor
The Sabre Dacs are well regarded for sure.

But why not just get that in something that doesn't have a bunch of features you won't use and is less money like this:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_703DGN...lack-v1-5.html
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But why not just get that in something that doesn't have a bunch of features you won't use and is less money like this:



https://www.crutchfield.com/p_703DGN...lack-v1-5.html


Question i’ve allways been interested
In the dragonfly . But how exactly
Do you use them. Arent they just a headphone amp?


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The Dragonfly Black delivers enough power to easily drive earbuds and efficient portable headphones, as well as the preamp inputs of a receiver or powered speakers. And although it's operated digitally from your computer screen or mobile device's interface, the DragonFly's precise, 64-step analog volume control avoids any reduction in resolution or sound quality that can plague many digital volume controls.

Plug your headphones directly into the DragonFly's stereo mini audio output jack for high-energy private listening. You can also use an optional stereo mini-to-mini cable or mini-to-RCA adapter to feed a line-level signal to a pair of powered speakers, power amplifier, or receiver for more robust, room-filling sound.

Traveling with your laptop and DragonFly?
If you plan on taking your laptop and DragonFly with you (it is highly portable, after all), you'll want to play it safe. AudioQuest's flexible DragonTail USB extender provides strain relief that can protect your computer's USB port if someone bumps into your laptop on a plane or in the coffee shop. The DragonTail also helps take some of the strain off that port when you're plugging in headphones with a heavy cable."


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The Dragonfly Black delivers enough power to easily drive earbuds and efficient portable headphones, as well as the preamp inputs of a receiver or powered speakers. And although it's operated digitally from your computer screen or mobile device's interface, the DragonFly's precise, 64-step analog volume control avoids any reduction in resolution or sound quality that can plague many digital volume controls.



Plug your headphones directly into the DragonFly's stereo mini audio output jack for high-energy private listening. You can also use an optional stereo mini-to-mini cable or mini-to-RCA adapter to feed a line-level signal to a pair of powered speakers, power amplifier, or receiver for more robust, room-filling sound.



Traveling with your laptop and DragonFly?

If you plan on taking your laptop and DragonFly with you (it is highly portable, after all), you'll want to play it safe. AudioQuest's flexible DragonTail USB extender provides strain relief that can protect your computer's USB port if someone bumps into your laptop on a plane or in the coffee shop. The DragonTail also helps take some of the strain off that port when you're plugging in headphones with a heavy cable."




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Thanks ill take a closer look. This is the one that does MQA aswell


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OK, if I'm spending $20 a month on Tidal Premium and buying expensive speakers, I don't want my interface between Tidal and the speakers to inadvertently reduce the quality.

In case this helps others, here is info from Sweetwater:

I would recommend getting an audio interface to connect to your computer, it will greatly increase the quality of the audio. Most computers don't have good audio converters built into them, so getting an audio interface will give you better converters. I recommend the Motu M2. If you're not doing any recording you don't need any high end mic preamps or A/D converts, you just need good quality D/A converts. The M2 has ESS Sabre32 which are some of the best in the industry. Using that interface will give you great sound quality!
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...udio-interface

They Dynaudio monitors are great, but the BM5's are designed to have a very flat frequency response. They are also rear ported, which means if you're setting your monitors up against a wall on your computer desk the low frequencies are going to be out of phase because they're bouncing off the wall behind your desk. I would recommend looking at the Focal Alpha 65's, those are fantastic sounding speakers and will serve you better for what you're using them for! They're front ported, so the low end is going to sound much better and everything will be phase aligned. The BM5's are great, but they're better used in a studio for mixing, the Focal Alpha's will sound better for just listening to music!
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I agree with Sweetwater recommendation regarding the Motu Audio Interface. In your case, if you plan to add a subwoofer later, I would recommend to M4 instead of the M2 as the M4 has 4 x Outputs which allows you to connect a subwoofer without splitting the signal. Regarding the BM5 vs the Alpha65, I do like the BM5 better as it sounds more natural and more detailed. The Alpha65 is a little bit bright and in my case it caused ear fatigue. Just do what I did, get both and return the one you don't like. In my case it was the Alpha65.
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"Thanks to firmware updates, AudioQuest's DragonFly Black and DragonFly Red DACs are MQA-enabled too, (as of May 2019)."

https://www.whathifi.com/us/advice/m...can-you-get-it
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One question would be: is Sierra 2EX and other regular bookshelves OK for near field use even though they're not designed for near field use unlike the Dynaudio mkIII which is? Just trying to collect all options and weigh.
"designed for near field use"---how do we know that isn't just the chosen marketing spin for that particular product?

And how do we know that even if something IS really "designed for near field use," it might not be any better or worse than something that does NOT have that claim attached to it?

Answer: just gotta get your feet wet, i.e. good ole trial-and-error. I would start with the cheapest option (that $145 mini-amp, easily returnable to Amazon if not happy) with the S15 you already have, and work your way up the price chain---and stop whenever you hit YOUR point of cliff-drop diminishing returns.

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One question would be: is Sierra 2EX and other regular bookshelves OK for near field use even though they're not designed for near field use unlike the Dynaudio mkIII which is? Just trying to collect all options and weigh.
"designed for near field use"---how do we know that isn't just the chosen marketing spin for that particular product?

And how do we know that even if something IS really "designed for near field use," it might not be any better or worse than something that does NOT have that claim attached to it?

Answer: just gotta get your feet wet, i.e. good ole trial-and-error. I would start with the cheapest option (that $145 mini-amp, easily returnable to Amazon if not happy) with the S15 you already have, and work your way up the price chain---and stop whenever you hit YOUR point of cliff-drop diminishing returns.
Dynaudio makes consumer speakers AND professional speakers. (Btw they make car speakers too) Their professional speakers come in Near-field and Far-field varieties. The idea of near-field is that these speakers aren’t designed to interact in the room as much as far-field speakers. Far-field speakers are better to help set the lower frequencies since low frequencies have longer wavelengths. Near-field speakers are also meant to provide more detailed work and let recording engineers hear errors in the mix more clearly because of the more direct sound and less room interaction.
Consumer speakers are meant to interact with the room, and near-field speakers are meant to sound closer to consumer speakers then far-field speaker will, but both near and far field speakers serve different purposes. Being in a recording studio and seeing how music is mixed and pieced together is very interesting.
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Best post I've read today on AVS! Exactly what I was asking.

Sweetwater agreed. They said "I'd recommend getting powered speakers over passive speakers. Passive speakers are only as good as the amp that powers them, so you can spend a lot of money on something like the Sierra 2EX speakers, but unless they're connected to an amp that's equal in quality to them they're not going to live up to their potential. It would be like if you took a nice Italian sports car and swapped the engine with the engine from a Toyota Corolla.

Powered monitors have high quality amps built into them that are designed for accuracy and low noise. Unless you're planning on buying a high end amplifier to match the Sierra's, you'd be better off with active speakers. The Sierra's were also not designed to be near field speakers, they're made to project out into a room. Sitting directly in front of them with a computer won't sound as good as sitting further back in the room."
That is totally correct. I did compare my Dynaudio BM5s and my Sierra 2s in my desktop setup, and while I love the sound of the Sierra 2s, the BM5s sound much better in nearfield configuration. You can't go wrong with these Dynaudio. They sound amazing.
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Sweetwater agreed. They said "I'd recommend getting powered speakers over passive speakers. Passive speakers are only as good as the amp that powers them, so you can spend a lot of money on something like the Sierra 2EX speakers, but unless they're connected to an amp that's equal in quality to them they're not going to live up to their potential. It would be like if you took a nice Italian sports car and swapped the engine with the engine from a Toyota Corolla.
That analogy overlooks the critical question of the INDIVIDUAL's ACTUAL USAGE habits.

If you put a Corolla engine inside a Ferrari, but spend 95% of your time driving the Ferrari in stop-and-go LA freeway rush hour traffic, you'd actually be better off than with the original Ferrari engine.

(And if you know you're going to be spending 95% of your time in rush hour traffic anyhow, why would you throw away your hard-earned money on a Ferrari??? )

Likewise, you could put some megabuck boutique amp together with the Sierra 2EX which theoretically would allow it to live up to its highest potential, but if your desktop/nearfield listening never goes above 50-60db levels, what would be the point of that???

The dirty little secret that the audio industry---both the manufacturers and the salespeople---will fight tooth and nail to obscure/deny, is that most of the time, the extra 5-15% performance gained by enormous increases in price is not really detectable at low and moderate volumes, especially if it's just casual background listening.
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For powered speakers after reading about the recommendations on this thread, I've come to think Vanatoo T1E is my first choice (for general powered speakers not near-field.) -- has USB input, extra passive woofer for bass, EQ curve options, and internal DAC. I'll likely replace my livingroom Sonos One pair with these.

EDIT. Seems to be superior to the Kanto and PSB
A lot of the reviews I've read mention that it performs very well nearfield. (As do the Ascend Luna's). I wouldn't count it out for desktop duties.
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The one aspect that gives me pause is if the Dynaudio is so accurate and flat, will it amplify the artifacts in the lower-quality sources/recordings I listen to (60s rock n roll)
That was exactly my experience when I used to own Ascend 340s, which of course are not even in the same league as the Sierra 2EX: basically, they made my few great recordings sound amazing, and my (much more numerous) lousy music sources sound lousy if not lousier.

Of course, if I were one to fiddle with EQ (yech!) this might have been worked around.

Anyway, that's why I was so in love with the humble Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 for so long: their hypnotic lushness made EVERYTHING sound so damned good. Well, except for AC/DC, which was the only thing that sounded great on the SVS Primes I briefly auditioned. lol
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