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Paradigm or HTD?

I need two speakers to complete my 5.1 setup. My fronts are ascend acoustics CMT-340 SE.

Due to room constrains, I have to go with in ceiling speakers. And they will be positioned behind the listening position rather than the traditional side placement in 5.1

Because of this I want to go with angled speakers.

I have it narrowed down to:

1) paradigm CI home h65-a
2) htd hdx-r65aim

The htd is a bit more budget friendly, but I would imagine the paradigms sound better.

Any help would be much appreciated!
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Did you look at DCM before you narrowed your list?

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Did you look at DCM before you narrowed your list?
No... Tell me more.

I'm definitely open to other suggestions. Just looking for in ceiling, 6.5 in, angled woofer. Price about $400 for pair max.
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Did you look at DCM before you narrowed your list?
No... Tell me more.

I'm definitely open to other suggestions. Just looking for in ceiling, 6.5 in, angled woofer. Price about $400 for pair max.
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the RSL C34E are often recommended. https://rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/

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No... Tell me more.

I'm definitely open to other suggestions. Just looking for in ceiling, 6.5 in, angled woofer. Price about $400 for pair max.
DCM TFE in-ceiling speakers -- use to list for $299 each ... now on clearance pricing ... price is for 4 speakers

They are angled and have a pivoting tweeter, plus have a boundary compensation switch and a tweeter level control switch
https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-5-Angled-...cAAOSwTfNco6~5

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the RSL C34E are often recommended. https://rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/
Thanks. Will the 4.5" drivers be enough for surround duties? This will be the sides (rears in my case) for a 5.1 setup... NOT Atmos in ceiling.
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Thanks. Will the 4.5" drivers be enough for surround duties? This will be the sides (rears in my case) for a 5.1 setup... NOT Atmos in ceiling.
should be more than enough.

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Thanks for the feedback all. One last time for any additional opinions/advice.
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Thanks for the feedback all. One last time for any additional opinions/advice.
https://rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/
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Thanks. Will the 4.5" drivers be enough for surround duties? This will be the sides (rears in my case) for a 5.1 setup... NOT Atmos in ceiling.
Two 4.25" main drivers is about 28 sq/in of surface area vs 33 for a single 6.5".

A single 5.25" main driver would be 22 sq/in.

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Personally I'd sick with a 6.5" or an 8" for side & back surrounds. These are full frequency chennals so the bigger cone size will be comfortable crossed over at 80hz..

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Personally I'd sick with a 6.5" or an 8" for side & back surrounds. These are full frequency chennals so the bigger cone size will be comfortable crossed over at 80hz..
That was my first thought too, but the C34E goes down to 60hz and everything is crossed over at 80. Seems like it should be fine.

One last bump for any other advice. I appreciate it all. I'm leaning RSL at the moment.
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Unless I'm reading the spec's wrong the c34e only goes down to 70hz... I wonder what the actual usable low end output is with a 4.5" woofer.

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Unless I'm reading the spec's wrong the c34e only goes down to 70hz... I wonder what the actual usable low end output is with a 4.5" woofer.
And even that is optimistic
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That was my first thought too, but the C34E goes down to 60hz and everything is crossed over at 80. Seems like it should be fine.

One last bump for any other advice. I appreciate it all. I'm leaning RSL at the moment.
Well that is up to you, but there is only so much bass they can give, their bass is rated to 70 hz if realistic ... also it is not only how low a speaker can go, but also about the spl of the frequency response ... and the bass punch above 80 hz .... but there are some happy RSL owners out there

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Might want to take a look at what Accessories4less as to offer.
They have some really good deals on the type of speakers you are look for. A lot of them are under your RSL budget with much better specs...

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That was my first thought too, but the C34E goes down to 60hz and everything is crossed over at 80. Seems like it should be fine.

One last bump for any other advice. I appreciate it all. I'm leaning RSL at the moment.
I have yet to read of a single C34E owner being disappointed to be honest and many of them have a LOT of money invested in their other main speakers/amps.

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I have yet to read of a single C34E owner being disappointed to be honest and many of them have a LOT of money invested in their other main speakers/amps.
So you don't think at $250 a pair he can't get a better bang for his buck..

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So you don't think at $250 a pair he can't get a better bang for his buck..
For me that is a very fair price but one C34E member who replaced some in ceiling Polks IIRC with the RSLs thought that the "improvement" for Atmos vs the Polks was subtle, not dramatic.

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For me that is a very fair price but one C34E member who replaced some in ceiling Polks IIRC with the RSLs thought that the "improvement" for Atmos vs the Polks was subtle, not dramatic.
The OP said he will be using these a ss on a 5.1 setup...

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OP here... That's the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on a pair of C34E. I am NOT using them for an Atmos setup. I need surrounds in a regular old 5.1 system.
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OP here... That's the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on a pair of C34E. I am NOT using them for an Atmos setup. I need surrounds in a regular old 5.1 system.
I'd go with Paradigm personally.

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That's the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on a pair of C34E. I am NOT using them for an Atmos setup. I need surrounds in a regular old 5.1 system.
Wait, I'm confused...does that mean you think the C34E would be overkill as regular non-Atmos surrounds, or that they wouldn't be good enough?

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That's the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on a pair of C34E. I am NOT using them for an Atmos setup. I need surrounds in a regular old 5.1 system.
Wait, I'm confused...does that mean you think the C34E would be overkill as regular non-Atmos surrounds, or that they wouldn't be good enough?
That they wouldn't be good enough.
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