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Wife Shot Me Down : No subwoofer system recommendation needed

About 4 years ago, I bought a speaker system for our living room that consists of a Denon AVR-X2200 receiver, Martin Logan Motion 4 Speakers, Martin Logan Motion 8 center channel and two Klipsch in ceiling rear speakers that were pre installed when we bought the house.

So essentially, I have been running a 5.0 system for 4 years now. After spending some time at my brother's house over the holidays, I was blown away at the amount of bass his Sonos Sound bar was putting out and realized how much I really needed to add a sub to complete my system that definitely lacks lows.

I did some research and decided to go with an SVS PB-1000 sub which was delivered this evening. I was excited to set it up for the game tonight and she comes out and asks "what in the hell is that?" and says it's not going in our living room because it's throws off the balance of the room (women). So my natural response was that I would order another to balance the room out (bad idea but I was dying laughing in my head). I never even hooked it up and it is boxed up and ready to go back to SVS.

So, now I am looking into a Sub-less system that still delivers solid bass and overall sound. I'm thinking my best option might be something like a Bose 700 Soundbar but will I be able to run it through my Denon receiver with my rear speakers? Do you guys have any other suggestions other than getting a new wife?
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About 4 years ago, I bought a speaker system for our living room that consists of a Denon AVR-X2200 receiver, Martin Logan Motion 4 Speakers, Martin Logan Motion 8 center channel and two Klipsch in ceiling rear speakers that were pre installed when we bought the house.

So essentially, I have been running a 5.0 system for 4 years now. After spending some time at my brother's house over the holidays, I was blown away at the amount of bass his Sonos Sound bar was putting out and realized how much I really needed to add a sub to complete my system that definitely lacks lows.

I did some research and decided to go with an SVS PB-1000 sub which was delivered this evening. I was excited to set it up for the game tonight and she comes out and asks "what in the hell is that?" and says it's not going in our living room because it's throws off the balance of the room (women). So my natural response was that I would order another to balance the room out (bad idea but I was dying laughing in my head). I never even hooked it up and it is boxed up and ready to go back to SVS.

So, now I am looking into a Sub-less system that still delivers solid bass and overall sound. I'm thinking my best option might be something like a Bose 700 Soundbar but will I be able to run it through my Denon receiver with my rear speakers? Do you guys have any other suggestions other than getting a new wife?
Your mistake was letting her see the box, instead of secretly hiding the sub in a corner, disguised as a lamp table and/or plant stand. Oh well.

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This thread made me LOL and I had to share with my wife.

I unboxed my sub and hooked it up when the wife wasn't home and pretended that we had always had it. About 3 weeks later she asked what the box was, and how much it cost... we agreed to OK any purchases over $100 with each other, and I'm the one always breaking that rule.

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About 4 years ago, I bought a speaker system for our living room that consists of a Denon AVR-X2200 receiver, Martin Logan Motion 4 Speakers, Martin Logan Motion 8 center channel and two Klipsch in ceiling rear speakers that were pre installed when we bought the house.

So essentially, I have been running a 5.0 system for 4 years now. After spending some time at my brother's house over the holidays, I was blown away at the amount of bass his Sonos Sound bar was putting out and realized how much I really needed to add a sub to complete my system that definitely lacks lows.

I did some research and decided to go with an SVS PB-1000 sub which was delivered this evening. I was excited to set it up for the game tonight and she comes out and asks "what in the hell is that?" and says it's not going in our living room because it's throws off the balance of the room (women). So my natural response was that I would order another to balance the room out (bad idea but I was dying laughing in my head). I never even hooked it up and it is boxed up and ready to go back to SVS.

So, now I am looking into a Sub-less system that still delivers solid bass and overall sound. I'm thinking my best option might be something like a Bose 700 Soundbar but will I be able to run it through my Denon receiver with my rear speakers? Do you guys have any other suggestions other than getting a new wife?
You will never get satisfying bass without a large speaker. My friend solved this problem by building an infinite baffle array in his garage. His TV wall shared the garage wall and all that was present in the house was what looked like a heater vent on the wall. The same can be done using the crawl space.

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This thread made me LOL and I had to share with my wife.



I unboxed my sub and hooked it up when the wife wasn't home and pretended that we had always had it. About 3 weeks later she asked what the box was, and how much it cost... we agreed to OK any purchases over $100 with each other, and I'm the one always breaking that rule.


Lol. I did that with a motorcyle in the garage.. Wife was out of town. She Came back and didn’t realize it was there until like a week after she got back..


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How about the SVS PC2000 it has more WAF.

How good are you with your hands? VBSS in a end table?

http://imgur.com/gallery/WXez9Q3

Or a couple of Dayton low profile subs?

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...oofer--300-639

If the three options don't work...then new wife.
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The Bose soundbar idea is really bad. And multiple subs are the dogs bollocks!
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Svs cylinder sub in the corner. Unpack it when she’s not home.

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Emotiva has a < 12" cube sub (physical dimension) for $300. Buy two, and balance the room ...

https://emotiva.com/collections/subw...ts/airmotiv-s8

Get one of these and place between the couch and one of the end tables (or a pair, one for each side):

https://www.triadspeakers.com/produc...ronze-slimsub/

Alternatively, get a pair of these easy to hide midgets (but won't do much below 40Hz in a large room):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M5KNZV6...NsaWNrPXRydWU=

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Your mistake was letting her see the box, instead of secretly hiding the sub in a corner, disguised as a lamp table and/or plant stand. Oh well.

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So, now I am looking into a Sub-less system that still delivers solid bass and overall sound. I'm thinking my best option might be something like a Bose 700 Soundbar but will I be able to run it through my Denon receiver with my rear speakers? Do you guys have any other suggestions other than getting a new wife?
Without a sub, it'd be difficult to achieve the same sound - not without going with towers, and even that wouldn't be as good.

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This thread made me LOL and I had to share with my wife.

I unboxed my sub and hooked it up when the wife wasn't home and pretended that we had always had it. About 3 weeks later she asked what the box was, and how much it cost... we agreed to OK any purchases over $100 with each other, and I'm the one always breaking that rule.
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When I got, my ULS-15 MK2, it took about a month for my partner to notice I had swapped subwoofers.
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Discuss her favourite music, movies and shows with her and how they come alive if it sounds like those artists and actors are standing in your room as opposed to at the other side of a tunnel. If needed, take her to a showroom and let her hear the difference between a soundbar and real speakers.

Suggest color or wood veneer and make the speakers part of the room, embracing them rather than trying to hide them. Their sound gives you and your wife an enjoyable experience - let that be visible. Matte black may be the worst idea if you ask your wife - or anyone caring about home interior.
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Really sad to be so fully controlled by someone to the point where you are not allowed to enjoy a simple hobby.
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If you have 2 x 6 stud wall construction in you house, you could install one or two of these in wall subs. Big bass that sits in your stud space - drywalled and painted over that disappears but for a small grill by the floor. . I use four of these in my theater. Big bass. Like a tapped horn.

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There are other companies that make in wall subs. That might be your best option.

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Our TV is in the room corner and the powered subwoofer LFE speaker is sat behind it in the corner and no one can see it.
My left channel speaker is there also. Right channel is next to a sofa 14 feet away. Center sits on a shelf above the TV
I put one of the my surrounds on top of a bookcase. Other surround sits low and next to sofa on other side of thw room.
My 5.1 speakers are about invisible and yeah wifes seem to find everything and often object to things they dont like.
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First of all, I’m sorry for your wife. Where’s the compromise? The sub throws off the balance of the room which is important to her. No sub throws off the balance of the room sound which is important to you. Instead of just folding you should have at least asked for a compromise. The Bose 700 is a stand alone unit. I have it in my living room. It requires a bass module (subwoofer) that’s sold separately to sound halfway decent.
To the guys suggesting in wall subs........if she won’t allow a small stand alone unit, I highly doubt she will be on board with the demo of her wall, wiring and everything else that comes with it.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=33830

Here’s likely your only option if you have a piece of furniture that you can fit it under.

But with all of that said ( I don’t know the force you are dealing with) ask her if there’s spot in the room that she might be ok with it. If there is, get an SVS wireless adapter and don’t worry about running an rca cable.

Make sure you fight her on EVERY purchase for now on that has to do with esthetics for your own stupid reasons just to remind her how silly it is. Or if you really want to piss her off, tell her “ but my gf let’s me keep one at my other place”. The walk away.



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Since marriage is about compromises, there may be WAF, but there's also HAF, since you're half of that equation as life partners. The old antiquated ideas of women keeping, maintaining and decorating the household are over, as its a shared experience, if not merely to show the equality of the genders. In such a fair and equal life partnership, there is no such thing as one half of that duo wielding final say-so. It is discussed and agreed upon with respect to each as individuals as part of a team. Convey these ideas, don't cower and express it from her perspective, as in if you were to present such an ultimatum about literally anything else in your shared lives, then take note of her reaction.

All this is said from a divorced man, by the way, so take it with a grain of salt! I rid myself of WAF over 20 years ago and haven't looked back, but I still do believe in marriage between those who share love, life and interests together.

I distinctly remember my ex-wife expressing dislike for the stereo I put in my Toyota Avalon, that it was too loud (I had 2 10" JL Audio DVC subwoofers in a sealed box in the trunk with a 1 ohm stable block amp). She frequently asked to drive it when she went out to clubs with her girlfriends some weekends and before long I would hear the car stereo blocks away! So if you have shared interests, or can somehow get her to appreciate the superior sound and experience of home theater, then you can also win her over to your point of view.
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I tried the SVS cylinder, they stick out like a 2" pimple at the end of the nose.

I put one of my SB3000's under an end table where it is completely undetectable. My wife knows it's there and she goes along with much of my desires for AV stuff, but for those not as easy going, if there is an open-bottomed end table, the dimensions of the SB1000–3000 is pretty table friendly.

But I agree with what others have said: There is no way to produce deep thumping bass absent a speaker designed to do it. Second, the key was, her seeing it before disguising it. Not that I am advocating being deceptive to our wives, because I am not.

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Svs sb1000/2000 or Rythmik L12 would be better than nothing and small enough to hide

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About 4 years ago, I bought a speaker system for our living room that consists of a Denon AVR-X2200 receiver, Martin Logan Motion 4 Speakers, Martin Logan Motion 8 center channel and two Klipsch in ceiling rear speakers that were pre installed when we bought the house.

So essentially, I have been running a 5.0 system for 4 years now. After spending some time at my brother's house over the holidays, I was blown away at the amount of bass his Sonos Sound bar was putting out and realized how much I really needed to add a sub to complete my system that definitely lacks lows.

I did some research and decided to go with an SVS PB-1000 sub which was delivered this evening. I was excited to set it up for the game tonight and she comes out and asks "what in the hell is that?" and says it's not going in our living room because it's throws off the balance of the room (women). So my natural response was that I would order another to balance the room out (bad idea but I was dying laughing in my head). I never even hooked it up and it is boxed up and ready to go back to SVS.

So, now I am looking into a Sub-less system that still delivers solid bass and overall sound. I'm thinking my best option might be something like a Bose 700 Soundbar but will I be able to run it through my Denon receiver with my rear speakers? Do you guys have any other suggestions other than getting a new wife?

That was hilarious. The -3db point of your Motion 4's and 8 is 70hz, which is very high. I think you might be happy if you picked up some speakers that get down into the mid to high 40's. That will sound so much better. But they're going to be bigger for sure. Check out the Chane a1.5's and a2.4.
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Discuss her favourite music, movies and shows with her and how they come alive if it sounds like those artists and actors are standing in your room as opposed to at the other side of a tunnel. If needed, take her to a showroom and let her hear the difference between a soundbar and real speakers.

Suggest color or wood veneer and make the speakers part of the room, embracing them rather than trying to hide them. Their sound gives you and your wife an enjoyable experience - let that be visible. Matte black may be the worst idea if you ask your wife - or anyone caring about home interior.
Good post. If a big black box (or two) doesn't work for her, maybe one or two smaller, sealed cubes in a pleasing finish (e.g., rosewood or piano black) could be a good compromise.
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+1 on the low-profile subs like the Monoprice or the Dayton's. It's kind of a "twofer". You get the deep bass sound and tactile bass feel. As long as the box has enough internal volume for real bass.
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Since marriage is about compromises, there may be WAF, but there's also HAF, since you're half of that equation as life partners.

He should've said he wants a dual sub system. Compromise would've been half of that then, so one sub
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Wife Shot Me Down : No subwoofer system recommendation needed



Get one of these. That will show her you mean business and it will further prove that your Y chromosome is dominant. (“Idiot chromosome”)


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I won't comment on the wife thing. But here's the compromise I came up with. She wanted new end tables, we got some of those live edge wood tables with open legs. I basically just used a SB2000 from SVS under each one. 13" cube. Can't tell it's there. That's the living room. The bar was a harder sell. But she wanted the big old cerwin vega D9's gone but wanted the same sound with book shelves, which can't be accomplished. So I knew I was going to end up with 4 bookshelves and a big @#[email protected]$ sub to do what the Vegas did. First I got 2 speakers, she hated it. Bought 2 more, she hated it. Said I needed a sub but didn't want the "big one" so I bought the smaller one. She hated the sound of it, I said, I told ya the smaller one wouldn't do it. So now there's a horizontal Axiom EP800 in there, but it's REAL wood. She loves the sound and it looks like furniture. All the speakers are real wood which makes a massive difference in quality instead of big ugly black boxes. My theater has the big ugly black box versions, I can't stand them myself. Not after getting real wood.

Don't show them the big ugly black boxes before you buy. I really wish sub companies would just make real wood end tables that are actual subs. 2 birds one stone.
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I do agree with her that it doesn't look great in the room but it wouldn't bother me at all. These low profile subs are going to be the best option by the sound of things. I need to measure, but I can either put them under my entertainment center or behind it. If I can slide them under the entertainment center that would be ideal.

Lots of good suggestions from many of you and I appreciate your help.
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What you need is a BOSS mini riser. You will get the "feel" of the Bass without high SPL output, so they won't hear or see a thing, but you will definitely feel it when you're sitting in your seats.
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In wall subs. May be more work, but at least the can be completely hidden.
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