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Any Bose 901 guys out there? Need information please.

My buddy is a big Bose guy, knows little about hi-fi, and nothing about electronics. He's got a pretty nice Yamaha receiver, a restored Dual 1229 table and Bose 301's in his family room, and and wants to add some 901's to his living room. I have an eBay account and told him I'd help him buy a nice pair of 901s. But, I'm a JBL/Tannoy guy and don't know what to look for in 901s, so I need some help:

1. Is the series VI the most current model?
2. Were there any of the series that didn't use foam surrounds that deteriorate? How recent a model would we have to buy to avoid that issue? That's last thing he would want to do is replace surrounds on 18 drivers
3. Same question applies to the equalizer. Neither he (nor I) have any interest in replacing all the electrolytics in the equalizer.

So, could we avoid these problems if we bought a set made after 2005? Earlier? Anything else to look out for?? Thanks for the help.
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After 26 hours, you may assume that there are no Bose 901 guys out here.

Bose is one of the companies the forum members love to hate. I don't know how they feel about ancient Bose products.
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My buddy is a big Bose guy, knows little about hi-fi, and nothing about electronics. He's got a pretty nice Yamaha receiver, a restored Dual 1229 table and Bose 301's in his family room, and and wants to add some 901's to his living room. I have an eBay account and told him I'd help him buy a nice pair of 901s. But, I'm a JBL/Tannoy guy and don't know what to look for in 901s, so I need some help:

1. Is the series VI the most current model?
2. Were there any of the series that didn't use foam surrounds that deteriorate? How recent a model would we have to buy to avoid that issue? That's last thing he would want to do is replace surrounds on 18 drivers
3. Same question applies to the equalizer. Neither he (nor I) have any interest in replacing all the electrolytics in the equalizer.

So, could we avoid these problems if we bought a set made after 2005? Earlier? Anything else to look out for?? Thanks for the help.
I had Bose 901s back in the day and 301s and liked them; mine were Series II though.

Likely he doesn't have the proper type of receiver to connect them though:

Most stereo receivers have a TAPE MONITOR connection. The 901 active equalizer is most
commonly connected to the tape monitor connections on the receiver. If you plan to
connect a tape recorder, use the set of inputs and outputs located on the back of the 901
active equalizer marked TAPE RECORDER CONNECTIONS.

If you have recently purchased a home theater receiver, you may be considering using
your 901 speakers for the front channels. Your home theater receiver must have accessible
PRE AMP OUT/MAIN AMP IN connections for the front channels if you are to use your 901
speakers in this way.

http://products.bose.com/pdf/custome...ers/og_901.pdf

If he does have the proper receiver I'd contact Bose directly with your question about the surround material used in different series.

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After 26 hours, you may assume that there are no Bose 901 guys out here.

Bose is one of the companies the forum members love to hate. I don't know how they feel about ancient Bose products.
I have seen several Bose 901 threads. The search function is your friend...
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I wonder if I provoked the genuine responses? Unintentional.

Back in the 80s and 90s, I worked for a defense related lab with a field site at Kwjalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands. People posted there had site pay, no federal income tax, and nothing to spend the extra money on. When they returned stateside, they often bought Bose sound systems. Maybe it was partly because at one time Amar Bose was on the faculty of the university whose lab it was.
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Regarding foam surrounds I think speakers with foam surrounds > 20 yrs old are at risk.
In any case, whether present at purchase or not, this would happen eventually. I can't speak to whether any 901s don't have them. In any event, I replaced the foam surrounds in 1993 Advent Legacy III speakers using a DIY kit and this was not super difficult with a bit of patience.

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I still have my 901s that I purchased in the early 70s. They sound good when properly set up. The series I and II have the cloth surrounds. My surrounds are still good, I believe mine are series I.

The equalizer stopped working last year. I replaced it with an equalizer from Deer Creek Audio. My receiver does not have a tape loop so I use a pre-out and then pass the signal through the replacement equalizer then to a power amp then to the 901s.
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I have a beautiful set of 901 II...
All working and in fantastic condition...
They sound really good too!

This is the model he wants...
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I used to love Bose 901's for music (even though many "audiophiles" despised them), but they lost favor with the advent of home theater. Modern surround soundtracks are mixed in discrete channels which contradicts Bose's combination of direct and reflected sound. Also as mentioned above, the equalizer is very difficult if not impossible to integrate into most systems. I sold my 901's after I purchased my first Home Theater Surround receiver for these reasons. If your friend will use them for movies, he may want to go a different direction.
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I have a beautiful set of 901 II...
All working and in fantastic condition...
They sound really good too!

This is the model he wants...

My II's had walnut front panels and were daily drivers for ~25 years, loved the 8' piano in my living room. Seen them used by FZ as stage monitors.

Bose Mountain, formerly a garbage dump for the Boston subs.
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To try to answer your questions, the earliest Bose series (I and II) used drivers with a coated fabric surround, no foam. Series III and on used foam surrounds and they are almost all completely in need of new foam by now, except maybe the newest ones.

The speakers are crossover-less, so you don't need to plan a recap.

You will absolutely need the Bose EQ or they will sound like trash. The Bose EQ boost bass and treble by up to 23 db to make these speakers behave properly. You will need a receiver with a tape-loop, or use a pre-amp output and place the EQ in between the pre amp and a dedicated 2 channel amp for the 901 (recommended)

Have fun!

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My II's had walnut front panels and were daily drivers for ~25 years, loved the 8' piano in my living room. Seen them used by FZ as stage monitors.

Bose Mountain, formerly a garbage dump for the Boston subs.
My Dad hung his series IIs from the ceiling with similar chains.

When he gifted them to me I used the stands.

Loved them back in the day though the Equalizer didn't provide quite enough treble to my ears but they rocked my house in the late 70s/early 80s before being replaced by a full on 5.1 system in 1985 or so.

In today's dollars that 5.1 system with all its separate amps, Shure surround decoder and outboard amp for the "cutting edge" Velodyne ULD 15 subwoofer cost $10,000.

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My Dad hung his series IIs from the ceiling with similar chains.


Equalizer didn't provide quite enough treble to my ears...

Yes, always ran eq at max.
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Yes, always ran eq at max.
Like my DRZ 400 SM motorcycle I was always looking to be able to go up "one more gear" than the Equalizer, (and motorcycle transmission), offered!

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Like my DRZ 400 SM motorcycle I was always looking to be able to go up "one more gear" than the Equalizer, (and motorcycle transmission), offered!

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I used to love Bose 901's for music (even though many "audiophiles" despised them), but they lost favor with the advent of home theater. Modern surround soundtracks are mixed in discrete channels which contradicts Bose's combination of direct and reflected sound. Also as mentioned above, the equalizer is very difficult if not impossible to integrate into most systems. I sold my 901's after I purchased my first Home Theater Surround receiver for these reasons. If your friend will use them for movies, he may want to go a different direction.
He just wants a pair for stereo sound in his living room. No video. And it looks like he a tape monitor function on his receiver, so he's good to go (up to a point, haha).
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To try to answer your questions, the earliest Bose series (I and II) used drivers with a coated fabric surround, no foam. Series III and on used foam surrounds and they are almost all completely in need of new foam by now, except maybe the newest ones.

The speakers are crossover-less, so you don't need to plan a recap.

You will absolutely need the Bose EQ or they will sound like trash. The Bose EQ boost bass and treble by up to 23 db to make these speakers behave properly. You will need a receiver with a tape-loop, or use a pre-amp output and place the EQ in between the pre amp and a dedicated 2 channel amp for the 901 (recommended)

Have fun!

Thanks for the very useful data. Turns out my buddy's receiver has a tape monitor loop. We'll look for a recent vintage. I've replaced surrounds on my 15" Tannoys, and it's no big deal because it's TWO speakers. If you've got bad surrounds on 901's you have to replace EIGHTEEN of them. WTF want's to do that??
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My Dad hung his series IIs from the ceiling with similar chains.

When he gifted them to me I used the stands.

Loved them back in the day though the Equalizer didn't provide quite enough treble to my ears but they rocked my house in the late 70s/early 80s before being replaced by a full on 5.1 system in 1985 or so.

In today's dollars that 5.1 system with all its separate amps, Shure surround decoder and outboard amp for the "cutting edge" Velodyne ULD 15 subwoofer cost $10,000.
Had my 901's hung from the ceiling years ago. I always bumped into them with my head. Ouch. Went back to the stands.

I sold them when I got my Paradigms and got into Home Theater. They sold fast.

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Thanks for the very useful data. Turns out my buddy's receiver has a tape monitor loop. We'll look for a recent vintage. I've replaced surrounds on my 15" Tannoys, and it's no big deal because it's TWO speakers. If you've got bad surrounds on 901's you have to replace EIGHTEEN of them. WTF want's to do that??


Keep in mind, if he runs the tape loop, the effect of the 901 EQ will play through both the 301 and 901 speakers, which could damage the 301.

Refoaming 18 4.5" woofers sucks, I won't disagree with you on that one!

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With up to 23 dB of bass boost, you'll need more amplifier power than most receivers can provide. I know because I went through 2 receivers back in the 70's when I had 901's. They didn't come into their own until I got a Phase Linear 400 power amp with 200 wpc.

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With up to 23 dB of bass boost, you'll need more amplifier power than most receivers can provide. I know because I went through 2 receivers back in the 70's when I had 901's. They didn't come into their own until I got a Phase Linear 400 power amp with 200 wpc.
My Sansui 881 with 63 watts/channel had zero issues driving my Series IIs in the late 70s/early 80s, albeit with only the 901s hooked up to it.
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My Sansui 881 with 63 watts/channel had zero issues driving my Series IIs in the late 70s/early 80s, albeit with only the 901s hooked up to it.
I started out with a Marantz 2250 with 50 wpc. Burned that up in a few months. Replaced it with a 2270 with 70 wpc. Finally, upgraded to the Phase Linear with 200 wpc. I played the system at spirited "party" levels, which could be pretty loud in the barracks at at the the Army hospital in Germany where I was stationed.

I replaced the 901's with Epicure 400+'s.



Tweeter and mid-woofer on each of the 4 sides. I guess I was a big fan of reflected sound back then. Not anymore...

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With up to 23 dB of bass boost, you'll need more amplifier power than most receivers can provide. I know because I went through 2 receivers back in the 70's when I had 901's. They didn't come into their own until I got a Phase Linear 400 power amp with 200 wpc.

My II's weren't starved of SPL due to Sansui 9090db, bought from Sansui in lobby of their US office, a few blocks from Elmhurst Hospital. Certain your PL made them sing.
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I started out with a Marantz 2250 with 50 wpc. Burned that up in a few months. Replaced it with a 2270 with 70 wpc. Finally, upgraded to the Phase Linear with 200 wpc. I played the system at spirited "party" levels, which could be pretty loud in the barracks at at the the Army hospital in Germany where I was stationed.

I replaced the 901's with Epicure 400+'s.



Tweeter and mid-woofer on each of the 4 sides. I guess I was a big fan of reflected sound back then. Not anymore...

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A barracks?

No wonder you needed more power.

I sat like 8 feet away so massive SPLs with far less power than you required for sure.

Replaced them with my very first 5.1 system in the mid 80s.

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B&W DM100is for the corners and a NAD self powered speaker for the center.

A revelation for its time.

$10k in today's money to put that all together.

Added a LaserDisc player later and replaced the 36" CRT which would "bloom" due to the magnet of the subwoofer even 10 feet away with a Sony 55 inch RPTV.

I thought I was in heaven!

Still have the NAD amps in my secondary 3.1 system and still use a pair of DM100is for the rears in my 5.1 system and use the very nice ULD15 cabinet as an end table in my main theater area.

Waiting for the Denon AVR 1912 to die before trying 5.2.4.

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