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Definitely sounds better with the front speakers split wider and toed in.
I think that is a pretty good testament to the NON-brightness of the Emotivas. Speakers that do run towards "brightness" are usually murder when toed in.

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Good!

It's not actually that uncommon for the phase error to happen - I've seen several people report that same problem, and most of them have others just telling them to ignore it
I would have been more comfortable ignoring had I not had the successful calibration with T Zeroes. Once the seed of doubt was planted, I had to “know”...
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For anyone interested, attached are new pics of the T1+'s - with and without grills.
They actually look quite handsome with the grills on.

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A1's just came in. I know most of you aren't big on the ceiling reflective route, but these can be height mounted later if desired, and I got a bargain. Only had a chance to listen to a couple Atmos demo trailers, but my initial impression is that they added a new dimension to the sound field.

I think I'm done now.
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I think I'm done now.
That's what we all say...

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"Now"
More subs, MiniDSP, Umik-1, REW, more subs...
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More subs, MiniDSP, Umik-1, REW, more subs...
If I ever did get a second sub, is it best to get a matching pair (I have a LV12F Rythmik)?
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A1's just came in. I know most of you aren't big on the ceiling reflective route, but these can be height mounted later if desired, and I got a bargain. Only had a chance to listen to a couple Atmos demo trailers, but my initial impression is that they added a new dimension to the sound field.
Interesting, didn't expect the A1s to have such square yoga-block-resembling covers...I thought they would just be sloped like the rest of the speaker's top.

Another entry in my "Wonder what Emotiva's aesthetic designers are smoking" log.
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If I ever did get a second sub, is it best to get a matching pair (I have a LV12F Rythmik)?
Yes, unless you want to get a sealed sub that can be used as a nearfield MBM, like this one:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15mk2.html

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Interesting, didn't expect the A1s to have such square yoga-block-resembling covers...I thought they would just be sloped like the rest of the speaker's top.

Another entry in my "Wonder what Emotiva's aesthetic designers are smoking" log.
Actually they come with two different grills. They recommend the normal flat grills when mounting , but recommend the yoga blocks (they call it a "directivity control grill") when using as ceiling reflective speakers.

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Yes, unless you want to get a sealed sub that can be used as a nearfield MBM, like this one:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15mk2.html
What...does that mean?
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What...does that mean?
This is how Hsu explains it, when they used to produced the MBM-12 which was a dedicated mid-bass module:

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This is what they had to say about this concept:
"In most moderately sized rooms, mid-bass is best reproduced near the listener, while deep bass is best reproduced in a far corner. The mid bass module allows one to do optimally position the low frequencies nearby, for maximum impact. The high direct to reflected sound ratio of nearfield placement helps reduce room effects, gives excellent headroom (high SPL with low power since you are right next to the woofer), and low distortion. Low bass, on the other hand, is most efficiently reproduced when placed in a front corner (see figure below)." - Hsu Research

"Just like the VTF concept, a woofer optimized for low bass reproduction is not the best for mid to upper bass reproduction. A heavy cone is best for low bass, but that reduces the mid to upper bass efficiency. The MBM-12 MK2 woofer is optimized for mid to upper bass reproduction - a very light cone, low inductance voice coil, and a strong magnet yields extremely quick response with high efficiency. It demonstrates excellent micro-dynamics and an extremely wide dynamic range that no single subwoofer can provide."
https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...verview.93973/
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Actually they come with two different grills. They recommend the normal flat grills when mounting , but recommend the yoga blocks (they call it a "directivity control grill") when using as ceiling reflective speakers.
hmmm, ever tried to listen to them with the flat grills, to see if the yoga block ones really work? I'd be curious, since you seem to be having better results with upfiring Atmos than most folks.

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hmmm, ever tried to listen to them with the flat grills, to see if the yoga block ones really work? I'd be curious, since you seem to be having better results with upfiring Atmos than most folks.
I'll have to play around with them - just arrived this afternoon.
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If I ever did get a second sub, is it best to get a matching pair (I have a LV12F Rythmik)?
Correct. Two of the same subs are optimal.
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Interesting, didn't expect the A1s to have such square yoga-block-resembling covers...I thought they would just be sloped like the rest of the speaker's top.

Another entry in my "Wonder what Emotiva's aesthetic designers are smoking" log.
"The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose – to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions."
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If I ever did get a second sub, is it best to get a matching pair (I have a LV12F Rythmik)?
SVS has stated in SVS threads that they do not recommend mixing different SVS subs in a multi sub setup and that identical is always the best way to go.

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"The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose – to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions."
That's why I asked the OP to compare how the A1s sound with both grilles...to see if this is actually true or just a marketing concept.
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"The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose – to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions."


More like stylishly devoid look.
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That's why I asked the OP to compare how the A1s sound with both grilles...to see if this is actually true or just a marketing concept.
I'm curious to hear about that too.
I assume it has some effect, but I think it would need a blind test to judge if it's a noticeable one.
That Emotiva claim is in regards to the entire line, not just the A1.

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That Emotiva claim is in regards to the entire line, not just the A1.
Oh I see, it's talking about the rigid front face of the speaker not the weird looking grille that the OP and I were discussing.

Yeah I'm familiar with that claim, never really believed it just like I never really believed the claim that a speaker having curved sides is a big acoustic advantage.

This grille claim though is new.

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Oh I see, it's talking about the rigid front face of the speaker not the weird looking grille that the OP and I were discussing.

Yeah I'm familiar with that claim, never really believed it just like I never really believed the claim that a speaker having curved sides is a big acoustic advantage.

This grille claim though is new.
I saw it on the A1 product page, but it's on all the models.

Anything you change would make A difference, which makes claiming something very easy. It just doesn't necessarily make a human-grade difference.

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Answering the original poster who has likely already purchased. I built a system in 5.4.2 used. Paridigm monitor 7 V2, v2 mini monitor for surround, v3 atoms for height cc370 v2, 4 velodyne subs old CT series. toal cost including the recapping done by myself under a 1000. Used speakers are king. It's the last audio bastion that doesn't change or out date really.
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