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Then please feel free to explain why, in acoustic terms, you'd need a huge room for them.

if I compare the way my speakers exhibit depth, the farther I bring out into room, the greater the depth is. the larger the speaker, the more real estate in a room they take up being out into a room...thus needing a large room. now if depth is fine close to wall...ok. with my speakers they sound alot better out into room, but this only happens when wife at work.

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but likewise I would never go to a horn loaded coax mid/hf CD expecting the nuance, imaging, or room response I want for listening to music and I don't have to listen to them to fully understand why I wouldn't like them for listening to music.
This isn't fair. Unless you've heard the BMS annular compression driver and JTR's waveguide implementation, you just can't make statements like this.

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This isn't fair. Unless you've heard the BMS annular compression driver and JTR's waveguide implementation, you just can't make statements like this.

Now it's not fair that I don't prefer CDs for music and can't say so? Wow. I am in the wrong thread. Peace out. lol

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Perhaps his intent was you likely haven’t heard a $700 (the best BMS makes) Compression driver before so the $50 Compression driver you routinely hear in a PA speaker from Guitar Center may not be a fair comparison.
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Now it's not fair that I don't prefer CDs for music and can't say so? Wow. I am in the wrong thread. Peace out. lol
No - you said you "wouldn't need to hear them to know why you wouldn't like them". Come on now.

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if I compare the way my speakers exhibit depth, the farther I bring out into room, the greater the depth is. the larger the speaker, the more real estate in a room they take up being out into a room...thus needing a large room. now if depth is fine close to wall...ok. with my speakers they sound alot better out into room, but this only happens when wife at work.
You didn't answer what I asked you to, but I didn't expect you would. The fact that you are comparing your narrow baffle, wide dispersion speakers with one with controlled (narrow) directivity to 500Hz or so, shows you know little about acoustics.

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Perhaps his intent was you likely haven’t heard a $700 (the best BMS makes) Compression driver before so the $50 Compression driver you routinely hear in a PA speaker from Guitar Center may not be a fair comparison.
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No - you said you "wouldn't need to hear them to know why you wouldn't like them". Come on now.
He's probably one of those audiophile types that knows that CDs and horns/WGs sound bad because he read it in some magazine, not by direct experience.

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He's probably one of those audiophile types that knows that CDs and horns/WGs sound bad because he read it in some magazine, not by direct experience.
He may have heard some, or even quite a few. Certainly not JTR. It seems that great sounding CD designs are not the norm, but the exception(although that probably is just as applicable to domes). At least in my experience. Unfortunately, many people never take the time to find the exceptions and instead make the assumption no CD design can compete with traditional dome "audiophile" speakers.

Who cares really, lol. Their loss .
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You didn't answer what I asked you to, but I didn't expect you would. The fact that you are comparing your narrow baffle, wide dispersion speakers with one with controlled (narrow) directivity to 500Hz or so, shows you know little about acoustics.
a speaker produces sound in all directions. I also own some klipsch towers and bookshelves and daily drive my focals. and because I didnt answer your question...I assumed it was common knowledge how to increase depth...and thus moving very large towers out into a room...means more depth=larger room.

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He may have heard some, or even quite a few. Certainly not JTR. It seems that great sounding CD designs are not the norm, but the exception(although that probably is just as applicable to domes). At least in my experience. Unfortunately, many people never take the time to find the exceptions and instead make the assumption no CD design can compete with traditional dome "audiophile" speakers.

Who cares really, lol. Their loss .
Most people that go outside, hit clubs, go to concerts, movies etc. have been exposed to compression drivers. Granted, the first exposure usually involves the local band in a pub banging away on guitars as they learn how to play etc. As I figured out rather quickly, you could say they didn't have the best skills or sound quality. If you don't have the skills--at least make it LOUD!

Many people equate horns to those bar band speakers at the local pubs. Never mind the design of those speakers were for durability, efficiency, power handling, cost and portablity over sound quality--it's the horns fault! I get it, heard plenty of poor sounding horn loaded PA speakers but if you drink enough, they might start sounding good! In reality, there are plenty of very high quality PA speakers but they are huge, very heavy, very expensive, very complex active systems and you won't see those at the local pub. I've been to an IMAX that had incredible sound--because it was designed, configured, tested and certified to do so.

As far as audiophile types not liking certain things, that should not be a shocker! Plenty of transistor haters, class D amp haters, digital anything, EQ is the devil and the list goes on. Plenty of audiophiles still don't understand subwoofers, parametric EQ, active crossovers or multi-channel... I'd rather audiophiles stay away from compression drivers and horn technology, I am perfectly content letting the tech trickle down from the professonal arena. For home use they are not required so plenty of options. I'd say the millions spent by B&C, BMS, "Faital Pro, Beyma, Eminence, Bravox, Radian, 18 Sound and others to do R&D on compression drivers and waveguide/horn tech are not concerned with what any audiophile thinks. The only major manufacturer would be JBL for consumer speakers and they are doing quite well as far as I can tell.

No worries--most people that are exposed to my speakers never see what is inside unless they rmove the grills. In the past 4 years, that was a total of 3 people that cast their gaze on the 10" horn, two of them thought it was cool and ONE person commented it sounded incredible "for a horn" The teenagers think it is "retro-cool" which is entertaining, that design didn't exist 10 years ago so not even close. I'm not sure if any JBL M2 owners have been accused of being "retro" but people do hear with their eyes.

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a speaker produces sound in all directions.
No they don't. You need to learn how they actually work.

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No they don't. You need to learn how they actually work.

you one of those people I see....so teach me something.

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you one of those people I see....so teach me something.
I wasn't volunteering as I don't have time to broach this big a subject. Start with the links in post 22.

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I wasn't volunteering as I don't have time to broach this big a subject. Start with the links in post 22.

this was the idea I was adopting in my posts.

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No worries--most people that are exposed to my speakers never see what is inside unless they rmove the grills. In the past 4 years, that was a total of 3 people that cast their gaze on the 10" horn, two of them thought it was cool and ONE person commented it sounded incredible "for a horn" The teenagers think it is "retro-cool" which is entertaining, that design didn't exist 10 years ago so not even close. I'm not sure if any JBL M2 owners have been accused of being "retro" but people do hear with their eyes.
The M2's have a horn and are in big coffin-like boxes, so yeah, they're as retro as they come. Most people equate small Bose modules as modern and great sounding. They're the gold standard, lol.
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