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In-wall suggestions

Looking for in wall speakers for a theater / living space. Room is 27x 28

I’m looking online for top rated speakers to just get an idea on price range and what’s popular. My google search isn’t producing much. Wondering if I could get opinions on brands and speakers you would suggest.

I am looking to do a 7.2 system. I will put amps on the speakers to hopefully produce enough sound to fill the rooms.

This is just the start of my search.
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Revel makes speakers all across the price branch.

All of them are of great build and sound quality. They have a special 2pi anechoic room to test and measure their speakers. Lots of engineering go into Revel’s brand.

The W263 starts at $225.

The W990 sells for $2000.

I think that the W783 is a good middle pick at $600. 8” woofer, very nice crossover, plenty of adjustment features to adapt to every room.

You’ll get plenty of output from it.

If you wanted to push your budget a little more, to $1000 a piece or so, the C893 has a 9” woofer, it’s a 3 way design, even better crossover and more features.

You’ll get even more output from that one.

And you can get Revel discounted by a dealer, upwards of 30% which puts money back in your pocket, or better speakers in your wall for the same money you would have spent retail!

I think you should try for an atmos system if at all possible. 5.1.4 is a nicer experience than 7.1 IMO.

Revel makes in ceiling speakers to match which is always good.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Never heard of Revel but I appreciate the suggestion. I was getting frustrated with all the Best Buy budget suggestions. Nothing wrong with that is $179 is your per speaker budget but I don’t think I’ll have the performance is I go that route and would just end up disappointed.

I’ll definitely look into those.
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Paradigm is often suggested for in-walls, as is Totem.
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So I wouldn’t call my self completely ignorant to the world of audio but it’s unfortunate these other brands aren’t more well known. I mean Polk, Klipsch, and Bose seem to be about all you find when you start searching. I know enough to know that those aren’t the options I want to use with this project.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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Never heard of Revel but I appreciate the suggestion. I was getting frustrated with all the Best Buy budget suggestions. Nothing wrong with that is $179 is your per speaker budget but I don’t think I’ll have the performance is I go that route and would just end up disappointed.



I’ll definitely look into those.
Revel is a high performance brand that invests money in R&D rather than on marketing. Maybe that is why it is not that well know outside of the professional and audiophile communities.

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There are some great options out there for InWall speakers. Triad is a favorite of custom installers and they will paint match their speakers to match your walls and ceiling. They are also made right here in the USA. www.triadspeakers.com For a room your size I would recommend the Triad Silver LCR series and Silver Surrounds. The MSRP for Triad Silver LCRs is $1000 each. The Surrounds are priced at $750 each.

Another brand that's made here in the US is James Loudspeaker. https://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/
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Take a look at KEF speakers too. I was researching in-walls for months and was set on going with a revel system with KEF atmos speakers before I ended up going the DIY route to take advantage of the space I had in my double walls and odd shaped ceiling.
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take a look at axiom audio in wall speakers. they have an integrated back box. prices range from 500/pr to 1k /pr
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Focal, KEF, JBL Pro, Paradigm, Revel.
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As others have mentioned, Revel is one of the best consumer level in wall speakers. You have a large room, you need some serious speakers to get loud. You didn't mention budget, but for reference, you should look at pro speakers.

JBL Synthesis SCL series are what I recommend and have designed many home theaters that use them. https://www.jblsynthesis.com/product...eries/scl-ssw/

The SCL-2's are top of the line, but the SCL-3 and SCL-4 are both pretty amazing for their size. You need good subs to get LF extension and output.

More info about your room (pictures, drawings etc) would help. Is the room closed or open? What is the distance from the front wall to the main listening position? Are you using an acoustically transparent screen (necessary for in-wall speakers).

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That is a very large room for an in-wall 7.2 system.

Is in-wall your only option?

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Focal, KEF, JBL Pro, Paradigm, Revel.
Add RBH, Phase Technology, GoldenEar, Triad , GTL Sound Labs and James Loudspeakers.

You can spend $200 - $10,000 a speaker.

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[QUOTE=Rex Anderson;59639070 Are you using an acoustically transparent screen (necessary for in-wall speakers).[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily. I have used solid screens (maybe existing or required for gain) and in walls could be to the side for LR and top or bottom for the center. The JBL demo at CEDIA 2019 used in walls with the center above at an angle using a big Samsung flat panel.

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Not necessarily. I have used solid screens (maybe existing or required for gain) and in walls could be to the side for LR and top or bottom for the center. The JBL demo at CEDIA 2019 used in walls with the center above at an angle using a big Samsung flat panel.

I think you got the wrong thread Mr. Miles!

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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How so R-Dawg?

The comment was based on you don’t always need an AT screen to use in wall LCR.

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These are MY in-walls of choice: The RBH SI-6100R reference in-wall "towers" https://rbhsound.com/si6100r.php
Can't wait to reinstall them at my new locale.

I used to be a hater of in-walls... until I heard these beauties.

That said, some solid suggestions above. Revel, Totem, Kef, Focal, Triad, etc. All good stuff. Find first which brand you prefer the sound qualities of, then you can expect at least a similar sound from their in-walls if they use the same drivers.
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How so R-Dawg?

The comment was based on you don’t always need an AT screen to use in wall LCR.

Your comment seemed sort of misdirected as I didn’t see a who you were replying to.

I guess not, whoops!

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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These are MY in-walls of choice: The RBH SI-6100R reference in-wall "towers" https://rbhsound.com/si6100r.php
Can't wait to reinstall them at my new locale.

I used to be a hater of in-walls... until I heard these beauties.

That said, some solid suggestions above. Revel, Totem, Kef, Focal, Triad, etc. All good stuff. Find first which brand you prefer the sound qualities of, then you can expect at least a similar sound from their in-walls if they use the same drivers.
I listened to the new Reference at CEDIA 2019 with Darin. Excellent!

They do require 2x8 or 2x10 framed baffle wall iirc.
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I’m looking online for top rated speakers to just get an idea on price range and what’s popular. My google search isn’t producing much. Wondering if I could get opinions on brands and speakers you would suggest.
Paradigm:

https://www.paradigm.com/en/architec...custom-install

Totem Acoustic:

https://totemacoustic.com/categorie-...-installation/

Would be two brands worth exploring. It's challenging to find "high-end" architectural speakers to demo, but of those two you'd be more likely to find Paradigm close to you. Of course, demos are only worth so much given space differences, but still...

Check manufacturer sites for local distribution. Travel a bit, get away from BestBuy and Fry's....

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Never heard of Revel but I appreciate the suggestion. I was getting frustrated with all the Best Buy budget suggestions. Nothing wrong with that is $179 is your per speaker budget but I don’t think I’ll have the performance is I go that route and would just end up disappointed.
As already mentioned, a very well though of brand, Revel, known for their highly methodical, scientific approach to speaker design. You just don't find them in typical showrooms. You might have a local home theater specialist that could have them. Check Revel's site for distribution in your area.

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Focal, KEF, JBL Pro, Paradigm, Revel.
They are all good companies with research (rather than marketing) guided speakers. Just stay away from online only speaker companies. The effort in installing these speakers (and then uninstalling) is so much that return is meaningless. That is why I say to just stay with reputable companies.

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as long as you are looking at higher end models, check out Tekton design. they have a double impact in wall : https://www.tektondesign.com/double-impact-in-wall.html

there is a dedicated thread on the regular double impact

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I listened to the new Reference at CEDIA 2019 with Darin. Excellent!

They do require 2x8 or 2x10 framed baffle wall iirc.
Mine fit within standard 2x4, 16" OC construction and I can't imagine the new ones are any different since I think the only difference is the new AMT ribbon tweeters versus my dome ScanSpeaks. They apparently matched the internal volume of the rough-in box to be close to the volume of the tower (maybe identical?). Either way, the results are great! ^_^
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Mine fit within standard 2x4, 16" OC construction and I can't imagine the new ones are any different since I think the only difference is the new AMT ribbon tweeters versus my dome ScanSpeaks. They apparently matched the internal volume of the rough-in box to be close to the volume of the tower (maybe identical?). Either way, the results are great! ^_^
The SI831 Ref in wall is 9” deep

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The SI831 Ref in wall is 9” deep
Oh wow!!! What a beast! I wasn't familiar with that product. I was talking about my SI-6100R. Just looked up the 831. https://rbhsound.com/si831r.php
Ok. I might have to rethink my in-walls now. Haha. Those look insane!!! Very nice.
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The target msrp was $2500 each. It landed at $2200!

To me they where one of the best performance/price values at CEDIA.

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The target msrp was $2500 each. It landed at $2200!

To me they where one of the best performance/price values at CEDIA.
That's fantastic. Can't wait to check them out!
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