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I believe Ryan was referring to the LPF for LFE setting. That's the .1 lfe channel only, nothing to do with the crossover to the speakers. The .1 track contains information up to 120hz. If you set that to 80hz , for example, the receiver is tapering the upper limit of the LFE track between 80hz and 120hz. It's not a brick wall like it is above 120hz.
I didn't want to confuse the OP by even bringing that "never seen by most" AVR setting.

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The center speaker will be a next project: searching for a center speaker with max. 6.5 inch height and budget from 200 to 300 EUR / US dollar.
Any ideas?

What do you think about my orginal goal? I am watching lots of action packed movies, will I get a more in-your-face experience with the new front speakers?
I am hoping for a more bombastic, full sound experience.

Thanks for all your help mate!
I would get the Q Acoustics center or the Concept center.

As to whether or not the 3050s will provide you with an "in your face" experience that's hard to tell as often that means a more forward/bright speaker like Klipsch!

I don't have forward/bright speakers and they are fantastic for movies so I think you should be fine unless you simply don't like the sound.

Your subwoofer is similar but a bit more powerful than what I have in my secondary room; yours is a ported 8" w/ 150 watts max power mine are 8" w/ 100 watt max power but I have two of them and they do indeed dig down to the 27-28hz your sub is rated for but not enough to "rattle" any windows though they do make the fireplace tools rattle.

For real window rattling "in your face" extension you'd need a subwoofer that hits to 20hz or so like those from XTZ or BK Electronics...or SVS if those are available in the Netherlands.

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So I am limited to about 6.5 inch / 17 centimeters maximum for a center speaker.

I have to say, the Klipsch RP-600c is a little bit too high priced also.
But again, it won't fit in the cabinet so that's out of the picture unfortunately.
f it were me, I'd do ANYTHING it takes to make room for a really good center:

1. Prop the TV up on something to make more room
2. Move the TV up if it's wall mounted
3. Get a whole new media cabinet that has room for a DECENT center speaker (7-9 inches height)
4. Get a center speaker stand and put the center just in front of the media stand, like this:
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If you can squeeze in 6.8" the slightly smaller RP-500C would fit.

You could always try the RP-404C which is 5.7" tall --- it has FOUR 4" woofers instead of two like the QA centers. This I would try if you can get an easy return policy.

The simplest solution though would be #4 even if it's not aesthetically ideal.

For "in your face" sound I would use Klipsch speakers over QA, but as long as you've got a Klipsch center you'll be ok because it's the center that does most of the output not the front L/R.

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For "in your face" sound I would use Klipsch speakers over QA, but as long as you've got a Klipsch center you'll be ok because it's the center that does most of the output not the front L/R.
I figured in-your-face and action movies, is more big rattling sound. Dialog is not really something action movies excel in.
On second thought, you do need a good center to hear what they paid a screenwriter $5 to accompany the explosions

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I figured in-your-face and action movies, is more big rattling sound. Dialog is not really something action movies excel in.
On second thought, you do need a good center to hear what they paid a screenwriter $5 to accompany the explosions
Yes, lol. You still don't want garbled dialogue, even in the most boneheaded explosion-fest action movies.

The center does almost all of the dialogue but it doesn't do ONLY dialogue.

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Yes, lol. You still don't want garbled dialogue, even in the most boneheaded explosion-fest action movies.

The center does almost all of the dialogue but it doesn't do ONLY dialogue.
For sure. I'm just not sure that's what he meant by in-your-face.
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I would set the subwoofer's crossover (it appears as LFE in the settings menu) to 120Hz. Then, if there's a frequency knob on the back of the sub, turn that all the way to its max. The idea is for there to be a blend between your speakers and sub in order to eliminate sub localization (meaning, your ears picking up the exact location of your sub frequencies rather than the sub frequencies sounding like they're coming from all around you).
I set my Small LS50's at 100hz. His much larger towers will easily handle an 80hz setting which he can easily adjust if he's getting too much boundary reinforcement. Did you perhaps mean the LPF? That should be fine at 120hz.

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Your subwoofer is similar but a bit more powerful than what I have in my secondary room; yours is a ported 8" w/ 150 watts max power mine are 8" w/ 100 watt max power but I have two of them and they do indeed dig down to the 27-28hz your sub is rated for but not enough to "rattle" any windows though they do make the fireplace tools rattle.

For real window rattling extension you'd need a subwoofer that hits to 20hz or so like those from XTZ or BK Electronics...or SVS if those are available in the Netherlands.
Wrong person. But yeah.
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Wrong person. But yeah.
Oops, sorry about that.
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I would get the Q Acoustics center or the Concept center.

As to whether or not the 3050s will provide you with an "in your face" experience that's hard to tell as often that means a more forward/bright speaker like Klipsch!

I don't have forward/bright speakers and they are fantastic for movies so I think you should be fine unless you simply don't like the sound.
I'd take Concept 20's with a good sub (or two) over 3050's, but that's just me. YMMV.

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For sure. I'm just not sure that's what he meant by in-your-face.
I would take it to mean a more dynamic, detailed and aggressive speaker. Which Klipsch would certainly be, more than QA.
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I would take it to mean a more dynamic, detailed and aggressive speaker. Which Klipsch would certainly be, more than QA.
You certainly have more experience than I do hearing out what people are looking for over here. Even though I'm apparently a "senior member" now
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Did you perhaps mean the LPF?
Yeah, I indicated that in the parentheses

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Having set up my Q650c ahead of getting my Q750s, I can also verify that my ears aren't hearing a lick of difference in timbre between the Polk mains/surrounds and KEF centre - and I haven't even re-calibrated yet.
When you get the Q750's setup and dialed in, switch out the Q650c for the Polk center just for the heck of it.
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When you get the Q750's setup and dialed in, switch out the Q650c for the Polk center just for the heck of it.
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For sure. I'm just not sure that's what he meant by in-your-face.
I am very sorry all! I chosen my words poorly. At the moment I am using a pretty basic Onkyo 5.1 set.
The fronts are fine, but they have to work hard to deliver rather channeled, directed sound.

They are nowhere room filling, even considering my small room.
So I hope the 3050's will enhance my movie experience as a whole: I hope that's a better description.

Indeed, I am looking for a great experience with action packed movies. I liked the sound effects of Mad Max Fury Road or Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.
Opening scene of Terminator 2 for example.
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I would get the Q Acoustics center or the Concept center.

As to whether or not the 3050s will provide you with an "in your face" experience that's hard to tell as often that means a more forward/bright speaker like Klipsch!

I don't have forward/bright speakers and they are fantastic for movies so I think you should be fine unless you simply don't like the sound.

Your subwoofer is similar but a bit more powerful than what I have in my secondary room; yours is a ported 8" w/ 150 watts max power mine are 8" w/ 100 watt max power but I have two of them and they do indeed dig down to the 27-28hz your sub is rated for but not enough to "rattle" any windows though they do make the fireplace tools rattle.

For real window rattling "in your face" extension you'd need a subwoofer that hits to 20hz or so like those from XTZ or BK Electronics...or SVS if those are available in the Netherlands.
The Concept center (300 EUR) is here in The Netherlands almost twice as expensive as the 3090Ci (160 EUR).

I was looking at the 3090Ci but seen online much mixed reviews. Maybe I am giving it a try and see. I like the design and price is perfect.

Will it be a big problem to mix the 3090Ci with the non i 3050 version?

What I meant by the "in your face" experience quote: I am looking for an upgrade to have a better movie experience, compared to my basic current Onkyo setup.
More detail, room filling sound, for a nice price.
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I am very sorry all! I chosen my words poorly. At the moment I am using a pretty basic Onkyo 5.1 set.
The fronts are fine, but they have to work hard to deliver rather channeled, directed sound.

They are nowhere room filling, even considering my small room.
So I hope the 3050's will enhance my movie experience as a whole: I hope that's a better description.

Indeed, I am looking for a great experience with action packed movies. I liked the sound effects of Mad Max Fury Road or Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.
Opening scene of Terminator 2 for example.
Upgrading components should help you achieve that goal. Decent center will give you clarity for dialog and dynamics, the L/R floorstands should help with the rest. If you want more low end frequencies, you would need a decent subwoofer. Since you watch a lot of action movies, I think a subwoofer is a must.

Surrounds will add an extra Cinema effect as you'll have sound coming behind you or near you (rear or side). You can start with the old surrounds and see how that sounds (you can use either the L/R or Surrounds you have now). If you're not satisfied, you can upgraded later. The front sound is what matters most imo.

As others suggested you can go for small speakers for L/R and use a subwoofer to take care of the low end. But that may not save you much if you need stands for them (unless you can place them on the cabinet).

Maybe a picture of your current setup will give a better idea of what you're dealing with.
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I was looking at the 3090Ci but seen online much mixed reviews. Maybe I am giving it a try and see. I like the design and price is perfect.
Will it be a big problem to mix the 3090Ci with the non i 3050 version?
You should be fine with the i version. It's the same center as the non-i version with some enhancements. If the room is small, it would probably be fine. If you have a return option, get it and see if it does what you want.

If you want to go with a more powerful center like the one Zorba suggested, you can raise the TV without mounting it too. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post59659382

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Will it be a big problem to mix the 3090Ci with the non i 3050 version?

What I meant by the "in your face" experience quote: I am looking for an upgrade to have a better movie experience, compared to my basic current Onkyo setup.
More detail, room filling sound, for a nice price.
How much do the QA 3020i and 3030i cost? If they cost the same or close to the 3090Ci, I would buy a pair and use one as the center instead of the 3090Ci.

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How much do the QA 3020i and 3030i cost? If they cost the same or close to the 3090Ci, I would buy a pair and use one as the center instead of the 3090Ci.
Some of the older non-i models are still available on both .nl and .uk (cheaper in UK), but it depends on the color:

https://www.amazon.nl/Q-Acoustics-30...dp/B00TR7JK7Q/
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Q-Acoustics...dp/B00V6ADU0K/
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The Concept center (300 EUR) is here in The Netherlands almost twice as expensive as the 3090Ci (160 EUR).

I was looking at the 3090Ci but seen online much mixed reviews. Maybe I am giving it a try and see. I like the design and price is perfect.

Will it be a big problem to mix the 3090Ci with the non i 3050 version?

What I meant by the "in your face" experience quote: I am looking for an upgrade to have a better movie experience, compared to my basic current Onkyo setup.
More detail, room filling sound, for a nice price.
The Q acoustics center is a little on the small side. If you're open to other suggestions, Canton make some very good speakers and are not very expensive in the EU. Worse case go with the QA 3050's and the Canton center. If budget permits, their Chrono line is another step up.

EDIT: The Canton GLE are front ported so they will favor near wall placement.
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The Concept center (300 EUR) is here in The Netherlands almost twice as expensive as the 3090Ci (160 EUR).

I was looking at the 3090Ci but seen online much mixed reviews. Maybe I am giving it a try and see. I like the design and price is perfect.

Will it be a big problem to mix the 3090Ci with the non i 3050 version?

What I meant by the "in your face" experience quote: I am looking for an upgrade to have a better movie experience, compared to my basic current Onkyo setup.
More detail, room filling sound, for a nice price.
I wouldn't worry about mixing the "i" series with the prior series as the newer version is said to be a tiny bit brighter which is actually not a bad thing for a center.

The old center measured VERY well when test by a well respected magazine here in the States.

It's just not meant to be use in a very large room at high volumes as that is beyond the scope of the speaker size but in a regular room, (my dual 4" center is in a room that is about 12 meters by 4 meters for example), it'll get louder than you can bear.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench

They tested the 3000i series too but oddly, no measurements that time but they did spend considerable time discussing the center:

"In the keystone position, Q Acoustics matches the towers with its 3090ci, a horizontal two-way center speaker that uses a pair of 4-inch woofers rather than the 6.5-inch units in the towers. On its own merits this is a very competent design, with clear, well-focused sound, though it was a little thinner on some male voices than many such dual-woofer centers, which I often find tend toward lower-mids excess and even over-fullness or “hoo.”

The 3090ci's crispness is not necessarily a demerit, but it made for a fairly sharp contrast with the 3050i towers. Comparing a range of announcers both male and female between centered- mono (3090ci) and dual-mono (tower pair) playback, all but a couple of higher-pitched female voices sound distinctly, even dramatically different on the center unit: brighter, with a more focused and prominent presence-range that tended to highlight different vocal formats to an easily noticeable degree."


https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-review-page-2

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The Q acoustics center is a little on the small side. If you're open to other suggestions, Canton make some very good speakers and are not very expensive in the EU. Worse case go with the QA 3050's and the Canton center. If budget permits, their Chrono line is another step up.
https://www.amazon.de/Canton-GLE-455...%2C220&sr=8-13
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The above is an excellent suggestion---I have yet to see any negative feedback on the Canton speakers, and they do offer some high quality, full sized 3-way center speakers unlike Q Acoustics. If I were in Europe that would be my first choice especially if HT is the main focus.

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I wouldn't worry about mixing the "i" series with the prior series as the newer version is said to be a tiny bit brighter which is actually not a bad thing for a center.

The old center measured VERY well when test by a well respected magazine here in the States.

It's just not meant to be use in a very large room at high volumes as that is beyond the scope of the speaker size but in a regular room, (my dual 4" center is in a room that is about 12 meters by 4 meters for example), it'll get louder than you can bear.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench

They tested the 3000i series too but oddly, no measurements that time but they did spend considerable time discussing the center:

"In the keystone position, Q Acoustics matches the towers with its 3090ci, a horizontal two-way center speaker that uses a pair of 4-inch woofers rather than the 6.5-inch units in the towers. On its own merits this is a very competent design, with clear, well-focused sound, though it was a little thinner on some male voices than many such dual-woofer centers, which I often find tend toward lower-mids excess and even over-fullness or “hoo.”

The 3090ci's crispness is not necessarily a demerit, but it made for a fairly sharp contrast with the 3050i towers. Comparing a range of announcers both male and female between centered- mono (3090ci) and dual-mono (tower pair) playback, all but a couple of higher-pitched female voices sound distinctly, even dramatically different on the center unit: brighter, with a more focused and prominent presence-range that tended to highlight different vocal formats to an easily noticeable degree."


https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-review-page-2
Interesting. Good thing you are serious and checked (unlike me).
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The 3020 cost just 20 euros more per pair than a single 3090 center ... @ManFromGouda if you go with Q Acoustics I would get this Canton center instead of the QA center:
https://www.amazon.nl/Canton-02885-C...dp/B0043EZUK4/

Or, buy a 2nd pair of the 3020 and use the 3rd 3020 as the center if you believe in "timbre matching."
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The 3020 cost just 20 euros more per pair than a single 3090 center ... @ManFromGouda if you go with Q Acoustics I would get this Canton center instead of the QA center:
https://www.amazon.nl/Canton-02885-C...dp/B0043EZUK4/

Or, buy a 2nd pair of the 3020 and use the 3rd 3020 as the center if you believe in "timbre matching."
Two of your favorites in one post. Timbre matching and the QA center haha
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Two of your favorites in one post. Timbre matching and the QA center haha
He could have had a trifecta if he'd tossed in "EQ is useless" as well!
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He could have had a trifecta if he'd tossed in "EQ is useless" as well!
hehe, and probably right on all 3, with some mitigating factors.
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