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Speaker recommendation for Vintage Marantz 2270

Hello, first time poster here. I'm the original owner of a Marantz 2270 that I purchased around the year 1975. At the time I had them paired with a pair of Acoustic Research 2ax speakers if I remember correctly. Those are long gone and with my 4 kids now out of the house I'm interested in bringing the life out of my 2270 once again. My units is currently in a shop having the power button and lights replaced. Unfortunately I let life get in the way and I haven't used the unit I'm embarrassed to say for 15 or 20 years. I never wanted to part with it as I always believed it was a classic performer for it's time and I hope will still be now.

I know that speaker selection is as much a personal thing as anything else but I thought I'd post here to see if anyone might have some suggestions for me. This will be a living room setup with I suppose limited space, although I do have room for smaller floor speakers such as the Definitive Tech BP 9020's. I'm not sure my Vintage Marantz would take advantage of the built in sub woofer. I'm not afraid to spend up to a $1000 for a pair if that is what it will take to make this sound good. For what it's worth I plan on hooking up my old turn table, a CD player, and purchase Audioengine B1 Bluetooth Music Receiver.

I did spend some time reading a thread on Definitive Tech and was a bit disturbed by the complaints mentioned towards their customer service. So I'm not sure if that is something to keep me from looking at them.

I've rambled enough. So, has anyone else been down a similar path with a vintage receiver? If yes, what did you do? Can anyone else provide some recommendations for me? I listen to a wide range of music to classic rock, symphony, big band and current pop. I've been out being an audiophile for a long time so take it easy on this old guy.

Thanks in advance for any and all recommendations.
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I wish I still had my 2270 with my AR speakers. But all that era gear was stolen in 1979. I am using Emotiva T-2's now and a Outlaw 2160 receiver. Very happy with both.
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Chane A5.5 seems a good selection for you. Wharfedate EVO, Emotiva Airmotive T1. You have been listening to a pretty restrained set-up, so I suspect you would not enjoy the more treble-forward speakers that are so common today (Klipsch, Polk, etc., etc.).

Do you have a room that is large enough to place speakers away from walls? If so, then consider the Magnepan LRS (could be a long wait) or a used Vandersteen Model 1 or 2.

I just read that some folks are replacing the caps on this receiver. You might have the engineer test yours for spec while he has the case open.

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Chane A5.5 seems a good selection for you. Wharfedate EVO, Emotiva Airmotive T1. You have been listening to a pretty restrained set-up, so I suspect you would not enjoy the more treble-forward speakers that are so common today (Klipsch, Polk, etc., etc.).

Do you have a room that is large enough to place speakers away from walls? If so, then consider the Magnepan LRS (could be a long wait) or a used Vandersteen Model 1 or 2.

I just read that some folks are replacing the caps on this receiver. You might have the engineer test yours for spec while he has the case open.
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Thanks for the recommendations and with a varied price range. I'm in the Chicago area so perhaps I can find these at a local shop once things start to open up around here. I did ask the shop to test the unit out to see if it is still running up to specs. Thanks again for your opinion and taking time to respond to my post.
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I listen to a wide range of music to classic rock, symphony, big band and current pop. I've been out being an audiophile for a long time so take it easy on this old guy.
If you'd like some wonderfully musical speakers to go with your vintage receiver and also sporting a nice retro "vintage" look, I would recommend the Wharfedale Dentons or Lintons.

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I wish I still had my 2270 with my AR speakers. But all that era gear was stolen in 1979. I am using Emotiva T-2's now and a Outlaw 2160 receiver. Very happy with both.
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What a shame that your gear was stolen back in 79. I see the Emotiva T-2's are on special now at around $630 a pair. Any chance you can compare your Outlaw to your old Marantz. I know that may not be a fair question will all the time that has passed. I see your Outlaw is rated around 110 watts per channel were as the 2270 is 70 watts per channel. I did see a You Tube on the 2270 were the gentleman did a bench test on the 2270 and it was producing close to 90 watts per channel. He thought they were pretty conservative in watt ratings back in the old days.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my post and for your recommendation.
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I own 2 Marantz 2270 as well a half a dozen other 1970 Vintage receivers. I have also owned several speakers from that same period. A few favorites were the Acoustic Research AR1, Dynaco A25 and ADS L810. All three of these were very popular and many were sold. You should be able to find any of these 3 on the used market. Of these 3, I would go with the Dynaco. Another great recommendation is the original Klipsch Heresy, produced since 1950s. I have a pair, 1970s vintage, that I will always hang on to.

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either find a pair of vintage JBL monitors - or the newer re-issues (although most are out of your price range now i.e. L100 classic) here is a 4307 on sale: https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...shelf-Speakers)

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Probably best to stay away from 4ohm speakers unless the unit has been completely gone through (and even then, not so sure I'd do that anyways). I use 8 and 6ohm with my vintage Marantz receivers and have no issues with any of them.

Unfortunately, that rules out the Wharfedale Denton 85's, which is a shame as those have the look and the sound to them. The Linton's would work very well though.

Personally, I'd stay away from vintage speakers unless you find a really nice set that's been rebuilt. And no need to worry about sensitivity since the 2270 will put out enough watts to power most speakers made today.
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Thanks in advance for any and all recommendations.
You have pre outs and main ins so you could hook up a subwoofer in between to provide you with a set 80hz crossover meaning the main speakers only have to play above that point while the subwoofer handles frequencies below.

The SVS Sb1000 has that feature with a set 80hz crossover point for $500.

That is how I have my subs hooked up to my NAD 7250pe in my secondary room.

Music Direct is near Chicago and they have a lot of speakers worthy of consideration and as you are close, any returns would be free assuming you drive them back.

$510/pair or less speakers to consider.

Wharfedale Dentons

Dali Spektor 2

Dali Oberon 1

Wharfedale Diamond 11.1

Martin Logan Motion 15, (I have the LX16 version of these in my room with the old amp and they are lovely combined with a sub, zero issues driving these 5 ohm speakers with my 1980s era receiver)

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[quote=smithsabom;59679844]either find a pair of vintage JBL monitors - or the newer re-issues (although most are out of your price range now i.e. L100 classic) here is a 4307 on sale from Music Direct

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Thanks for the recommendation on the JBL's. I recall looking at JBL's back when I originally purchased my system although I don't recall which model at the time. Are the 4307's a new speaker or is that a vintage model? I just learned today from another poster that Music Direct is here in Chicago. I'm in the outer suburbs of the city but they are certainly within driving distance if they have a showroom. The L100's are out of my price range although I'm sure they are nice. Thanks for your input.
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Probably best to stay away from 4ohm speakers unless the unit has been completely gone through (and even then, not so sure I'd do that anyways). I use 8 and 6ohm with my vintage Marantz receivers and have no issues with any of them.

Unfortunately, that rules out the Wharfedale Denton 85's, which is a shame as those have the look and the sound to them. The Linton's would work very well though.

Personally, I'd stay away from vintage speakers unless you find a really nice set that's been rebuilt. And no need to worry about sensitivity since the 2270 will put out enough watts to power most speakers made today.
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Thanks for the advice on the 4ohm speakers. I did a little research on that and leaned the same. I'm really not interested in vintage speakers as I'm not astute enough to know what I'd be buying. As mentioned earlier I'm the original owner of the 2270. I took good care of the unit and didn't abuse it when I did use it. I have a shop going through it now to see what kind of shape it is in. The Linton's may be a bit more than what I want to spend. Thanks for your advice.
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You have pre outs and main ins so you could hook up a subwoofer in between to provide you with a set 80hz crossover meaning the main speakers only have to play above that point while the subwoofer handles frequencies below.

The SVS Sb1000 has that feature with a set 80hz crossover point for $500.

That is how I have my subs hooked up to my NAD 7250pe in my secondary room.

Music Direct is near Chicago and they have a lot of speakers worthy of consideration and as you are close, any returns would be free assuming you drive them back.

$510/pair or less speakers to consider.

Wharfedale Dentons

Dali Spektor 2

Dali Oberon 1

Wharfedale Diamond 11.1

Martin Logan Motion 15, (I have the LX16 version of these in my room with the old amp and they are lovely combined with a sub, zero issues driving these 5 ohm speakers with my 1980s era receiver)
gajCA,

Thanks for the informing me that Music Direct is in Chicago. It's about 40 minutes from my location. Now I need to see if I can find these at a location so I can listen to them. I see the Motion 15 is a 4 ohm speaker. Will that present a problem with my 2270? Thanks for your input and time.
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Klipsch Heresy III's or IV's.
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The III's look like a possibility and a nearby store has them available to listen to. Those IV's are beasts. My days of moving 100lb speakers is over.
Can I assume you have one or the other or both of these speakers sets? If so what are you using to drive them? Thanks.
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either find a pair of vintage JBL monitors - or the newer re-issues (although most are out of your price range now i.e. L100 classic) here is a 4307 on sale from Music Direct

smithsabom,

Thanks for the recommendation on the JBL's. I recall looking at JBL's back when I originally purchased my system although I don't recall which model at the time. Are the 4307's a new speaker or is that a vintage model? I just learned today from another poster that Music Direct is here in Chicago. I'm in the outer suburbs of the city but they are certainly within driving distance if they have a showroom. The L100's are out of my price range although I'm sure they are nice. Thanks for your input.
NP. glad to be of help. The 4307s are and updated version of the originals. There are several of the monitors that they have updated and released. they also have a mini version of the 4312 montior. looks like it is out of stock at music direct, but several appear to be available via ebay

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People like to recommend Klipsch for vintage systems, but I'm telling you...you don't necessarily need the sensitivity with the 2270 (unless you are going to throw a bunch of parties). That receiver will power most any speaker made today without issue (especially in the sub $1000 price range where you are looking). Unless you like horn tweeters, then I could see why Klipsch might be appealing.

As I said though, stay away from 4ohm speakers. No need to push it that hard when there are plenty of good 8 and 6ohm speakers to choose from.

A speaker well under your budget would be the Wharfedale Diamond 225. Something like that would match well with the 2270. Those older receivers were not lacking for strong bass output so you also should choose a speaker that will play low enough to take advantage of the Marantz's strengths.

I lost count of how many 22xx Marantz receivers I currently own (ok, maybe a half-dozen if I have to count). One of my favorite inexpensive speakers with them is the original Elac Debut B5 and B6. 6 ohms, lots of bass, mellow highs, etc.
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Thanks for the informing me that Music Direct is in Chicago. It's about 40 minutes from my location. Now I need to see if I can find these at a location so I can listen to them. I see the Motion 15 is a 4 ohm speaker. Will that present a problem with my 2270? Thanks for your input and time.
It's actually a 5 ohm speaker and you receiver won't have any trouble with it at all.

My friends lost there home in the fires here in 2017 and I resurrected my old Sansui 881 for them; 63 watts/channel and they bought a pair as well to run full range.

It drives them to very loud levels easily without a fuss and the Marantz is of higher quality than that Sansui.

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The III's look like a possibility and a nearby store has them available to listen to. Those IV's are beasts. My days of moving 100lb speakers is over.
Can I assume you have one or the other or both of these speakers sets? If so what are you using to drive them? Thanks.
You mentioned slim towers.

Music Direct has these very well regarded Debut Reference towers open box.

Would not need a sub.

Simply gorgeous and would be nearly ideal for vinyl I would think.

Dimensions (WHD): 7.28" x 39.99" x 9.52"

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...alnut-OPEN-BOX

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You mentioned slim towers.

Music Direct has these very well regarded Debut Reference towers open box.

Would not need a sub.

Simply gorgeous and would be nearly ideal for vinyl I would think.

Dimensions (WHD): 7.28" x 39.99" x 9.52"

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...alnut-OPEN-BOX
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It's actually a 5 ohm speaker and you receiver won't have any trouble with it at all.

My friends lost there home in the fires here in 2017 and I resurrected my old Sansui 881 for them; 63 watts/channel and they bought a pair as well to run full range.

It drives them to very loud levels easily without a fuss and the Marantz is of higher quality than that Sansui.
gajCA,

Thanks for both of your suggestions. I will need to give Music Direct a call and determine if they have a showroom open to the public for speaker demonstrations. Things are starting to open up here in Illinois but Chicago may be a bit slower than the outer suburbs. I have 2 brothers in your neck of the woods. One in Sonoma and the other in Santa Rosa. My brother in Santa Rosa was spraying down his house, I believe it was just last fall, due to the wild fires. Thanks again for your input and time.

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gajCA,

Thanks for both of your suggestions. I will need to give Music Direct a call and determine if they have a showroom open to the public for speaker demonstrations. Things are starting to open up here in Illinois but Chicago may be a bit slower than the outer suburbs. I have 2 brothers in your neck of the woods. One in Sonoma and the other in Santa Rosa. My brother in Santa Rosa was spraying down his house, I believe it was just last fall, due to the wild fires. Thanks again for your input and time.

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Small world!

Music Direct also carries these very highly regarded stand mounters that surprisingly don't have to have a sub for most music.

In fact the review might have you turning the bass down a notch unless you have room to pull them out from the wall.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.11884/

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...shelf-Speakers

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You mentioned slim towers.

Music Direct has these very well regarded Debut Reference towers open box.

Would not need a sub.

Simply gorgeous and would be nearly ideal for vinyl I would think.

Dimensions (WHD): 7.28" x 39.99" x 9.52"

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...alnut-OPEN-BOX

Those would possibly work but I'd 100% have to hear them first. They are based off the Debut F5.2 towers and those speakers have absolutely zero satisfying bass to them. I know you'll think I'm lying, but a set of my Elac B4 bookshelves had more bass than my F5.2 towers did.

I've bought most all of AJ's speakers in the past but I'm very hesitant on the Debut References because of how much I disliked the Debut 2.0 series. This is a speaker that I will have to listen to before I ever pull the trigger on.
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Those would possibly work but I'd 100% have to hear them first. They are based off the Debut F5.2 towers and those speakers have absolutely zero satisfying bass to them. I know you'll think I'm lying, but a set of my Elac B4 bookshelves had more bass than my F5.2 towers did.

I've bought most all of AJ's speakers in the past but I'm very hesitant on the Debut References because of how much I disliked the Debut 2.0 series. This is a speaker that I will have to listen to before I ever pull the trigger on.
Yep, I've got to hear them for myself. Recall from my original post that my 2270 has been sitting idle for 15 to 20 years. So I've waited this long I can wait a little longer. I'll wait and see what the service tech at the shop tells me before I do much else. I'm pretty certain, don't know why, that the unit is is pretty good working order. I need to hear any speaker before I make a purchase. We all have different ears and my wife claims I have selective hearing. I'm not sure that will help with my speaker selection though.
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Those would possibly work but I'd 100% have to hear them first. They are based off the Debut F5.2 towers and those speakers have absolutely zero satisfying bass to them. I know you'll think I'm lying, but a set of my Elac B4 bookshelves had more bass than my F5.2 towers did.

I've bought most all of AJ's speakers in the past but I'm very hesitant on the Debut References because of how much I disliked the Debut 2.0 series. This is a speaker that I will have to listen to before I ever pull the trigger on.
The OP is in the catbird seat as he's 40 minutes from Music Direct so he can order many great brands on line, test for 60 days at home, bookshelf or tower, and if not happy take a 40 minute drive to return them for the price of gas and a little time out of his day.

Perfect scenario.

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Not picking on you, but a lot of people are recommending those Debut References that have yet to hear them. AJ is a great speaker designer but the speaker world is a different place than when he crashed the scene with those Pioneer bookshelves.

I was set to listen to them (and a bunch of others) at Music Direct when the virus hit so we had to cancel our Chicago trip.

Still, if I had a fresh 2270 and really wanted to hear it, I'd spend the $299 on the Wharfedale Diamond 225's and then perhaps re-evaluate things when Music Direct opens back up in less than two months.
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I need to hear any speaker before I make a purchase. We all have different ears and my wife claims I have selective hearing.
Perfectly understandable, but with the coronavirus lockdown making what few brick and mortar shops still around inaccessible, imo you're better off doing in-home auditions using companies that offer free return shipping (JBL, Infinity, RSL, SVS, HTD, etc.) or using Crutchfield's $10 flat rate return shipping policy ($75 for towers).
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Perfectly understandable, but with the coronavirus lockdown making what few brick and mortar shops still around inaccessible, imo you're better off doing in-home auditions using companies that offer free return shipping (JBL, Infinity, RSL, SVS, HTD, etc.) or using Crutchfield's $10 flat rate return shipping policy ($75 for towers).
Why?

He can order on line numerous quality speakers and return in person to Music Direct even if it's curbside and everyone is wearing a mask unless Chicago is significantly more locked down than we are here in the Bay Area of California.

80 minutes there and back for him.

So if he gets towers, maybe $10 in gas.

But yes, if he wants bookshelves then those other companies are worth consideration.

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Why?

He can order on line numerous quality speakers and return in person to Music Direct even if it's curbside and everyone is wearing a mask unless Chicago is significantly more locked down than we are here in the Bay Area of California.

80 minutes there and back for him.

So if he gets towers, maybe $10 in gas.

But yes, if he wants bookshelves then those other companies are worth consideration.
If his car can carry several pairs of towers, ok.

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If his car can carry several pairs of towers, ok.
Well, the most popular "car" in America is a pickup and the most popular design is an SUV so good chances he's not like me.

When I auditioned speakers at home I made two trips to bring the towers here.

In my Miata with the top down!

Returned the floor models as I wanted a different finish so had to do it all over again, except three trips as the center was almost as big.

The dealer was a bit bemused!

Thankfully only 2 miles away though.
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This will be a living room setup with I suppose limited space, although I do have room for smaller floor speakers such as the Definitive Tech BP 9020's. I'm not sure my Vintage Marantz would take advantage of the built in sub woofer. I'm not afraid to spend up to a $1000 for a pair if that is what it will take to make this sound good.
Those speakers will work fine with the 2270. They don't work any differently than any common modern amp.

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I've rambled enough. So, has anyone else been down a similar path with a vintage receiver? If yes, what did you do? Can anyone else provide some recommendations for me? I listen to a wide range of music to classic rock, symphony, big band and current pop. I've been out being an audiophile for a long time so take it easy on this old guy.
Yes. I used the speakers I liked.


If the 2270 has been sitting for a long time, then the myriad (and there are lots) of caps inside it will most likely need to be replaced, especially the power supply caps. I have restored a number of this range for other people and have a 2285B I bought new waiting for a resto when I retire in a few years.

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