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Need help deciding on a set of Wharfedale speakers (EVO 4.1, EVO 4.2, Diamond 11.2)

Hey everyone,

This is my first post here. I currently own Polk RTi A3s. These are used in a small carpeted living room in a 2.1 setup. My sub is a Dayton 10 inch. Music and movies. About a 50/50 split of both. Receiver is a Denon AVR-S500BT.

I got the Polk RTi A3s for free from a friend at Polk about 6 years ago. They are fine but I feel like they have no personality and are not fun or exciting to listen to.

Why Wharfedale? I got to hear a few models just window shopping on a business trip about 6 months ago and have been thinking about them ever since. I don’t remember the models but the thing I do remember is the sound signature. I enjoyed the laid back warm sound. That is how my ears perceived it. I remember making a mental note that this was the next brand for me.

I listen to a little bit of everything. Jazz, metal, soul, rap & hip hop, top 40, EDM, classical, classic rock. I do appreciate a good solid clean low end extension. I was really considering the EVO 4.1 but this was before I realized it was only a 5 inch woofer. Next I started looking at the 4.2 but have read mixed reviews and people ranking the 4.1s over the 4.2.

The diamond 11.2 seems to be an affordable option that also offers a 6.5 inch woofer.

I am confident that any of these 3 models will blow me away. I don’t think it’s possible for me to be disappointed by any of them. I just want some outside input and opinions to help guide me and give me some confidence in my purchase.

I have looked locally and called many places. They are not available to listen in person. Thanks for any input or buying advice! Help me choose. Ask for any more details. I’m happy to provide it.
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I had the Diamond 8.1 for a couple years, that's my only experience with Wharfedale. Everything on the speaker was cheap, still I liked the sound! It impressed me and it had more lows that it should, in the end I foolishly part trade it. I thought the 8.2 would be the similar with more low end but someone told me it wasn't and the 8.1 was better. It was late though, I couldn't find it because the 9 line had been released. I auditioned the 9 (1 or 2 I can't remember) and it sounded different, I didn't like it even though the salesman pointed out the improvements over the previous line.


I also listen different types of music and I wouldn't choose a small speaker to be my main unless I had a good sub (or subs), between the 4.1 & 4.2 I would go with the second if I couldn't audition them. It's a three way speaker, having a mid dome should make it more balanced than the small one. I always think Wharfedale as a cheap brand though, I can't see myself buying their speakers unless I could audition first. There are other brands I would buy their speakers cause I know their "family" sound and trust them. Wharfedale is supposed to be smooth sounding but they have changed a lot over the years. I suggest to audition several speakers from different brands and if you don't find something you like to order the Evo's.
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I had the Diamond 8.1 for a couple years, that's my only experience with Wharfedale. Everything on the speaker was cheap, still I liked the sound! It impressed me and it had more lows that it should, in the end I foolishly part trade it. I thought the 8.2 would be the similar with more low end but someone told me it wasn't and the 8.1 was better. It was late though, I couldn't find it because the 9 line had been released. I auditioned the 9 (1 or 2 I can't remember) and it sounded different, I didn't like it even though the salesman pointed out the improvements over the previous line.


I also listen different types of music and I wouldn't choose a small speaker to be my main unless I had a good sub (or subs), between the 4.1 & 4.2 I would go with the second if I couldn't audition them. It's a three way speaker, having a mid dome should make it more balanced than the small one. I always think Wharfedale as a cheap brand though, I can't see myself buying their speakers unless I could audition first. There are other brands I would buy their speakers cause I know their "family" sound and trust them. Wharfedale is supposed to be smooth sounding but they have changed a lot over the years. I suggest to audition several speakers from different brands and if you don't find something you like to order the Evo's.
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I greatly appreciate your feedback and experience with Wharfedale. I am at the beginning of my journey into the world of quality sound. So I guess quality is relative to the listener and where they are at in their respective journey. I'd love to hear your recommendations for speakers under $1000 range. Exploring other brands may lead me to find a local dealer to audition them before buying. I could even possibly order 2 sets and see what works best in my environment. The only thing I know is that I did enjoy the Wharfedale sound signature and really DON'T enjoy Klipsch's or Focal sound signatures. The highs in both of those (that I have heard from these brands) were a little much for me. Not bad but just not to my personal liking. Maybe that will help guide you with some suggestions if you have any. Thank you!
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...really DON'T enjoy Klipsch's or Focal

I had the Klipsch RF3 II for a couple years. Klipsch speakers are impressive in the beginning but when you listen for hours the highs can be tiring. Some people say the recent lines sound smoother. I still like their speakers from the Heritage line but they don't excel on everything and for the money I would always choose something else. I have auditioned several Focals, even from the Grand Utopia line. I admire their ideas and how well built they are but I find their sound uninvolving. I feel the same about the mighty KEF LS50, impressive construction but I don't like the sound of either the passive or active version.


I would suggest anything that's in your budget from Dali, Elac, Dynaudio, B&W, Chario, Vienna Acoustics. Start with the Elac DBR62, it looks like a good speaker. Don't forget second hand, you can buy much better speakers normally not in your budget. I'm not suggesting vintage speakers but a 10 year old well used speaker is fine. Most people take good care of their equimpent.
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Hey everyone,

This is my first post here. I currently own Polk RTi A3s. These are used in a small carpeted living room in a 2.1 setup. My sub is a Dayton 10 inch. Music and movies. About a 50/50 split of both. Receiver is a Denon AVR-S500BT.

I got the Polk RTi A3s for free from a friend at Polk about 6 years ago. They are fine but I feel like they have no personality and are not fun or exciting to listen to.

Why Wharfedale? I got to hear a few models just window shopping on a business trip about 6 months ago and have been thinking about them ever since. I don’t remember the models but the thing I do remember is the sound signature. I enjoyed the laid back warm sound. That is how my ears perceived it. I remember making a mental note that this was the next brand for me.

I listen to a little bit of everything. Jazz, metal, soul, rap & hip hop, top 40, EDM, classical, classic rock. I do appreciate a good solid clean low end extension. I was really considering the EVO 4.1 but this was before I realized it was only a 5 inch woofer. Next I started looking at the 4.2 but have read mixed reviews and people ranking the 4.1s over the 4.2.

The diamond 11.2 seems to be an affordable option that also offers a 6.5 inch woofer.

I am confident that any of these 3 models will blow me away. I don’t think it’s possible for me to be disappointed by any of them. I just want some outside input and opinions to help guide me and give me some confidence in my purchase.

I have looked locally and called many places. They are not available to listen in person. Thanks for any input or buying advice! Help me choose. Ask for any more details. I’m happy to provide it.
The Evo 4.1 & 4.2 are available at Crutchfield. You can order both and try them in your own home.

Return policy is 60 days and $10.00 each.

Worst case scenario...your out $20.00.
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Hey everyone,

This is my first post here. I currently own Polk RTi A3s. These are used in a small carpeted living room in a 2.1 setup. My sub is a Dayton 10 inch. Music and movies. About a 50/50 split of both. Receiver is a Denon AVR-S500BT.

I got the Polk RTi A3s for free from a friend at Polk about 6 years ago. They are fine but I feel like they have no personality and are not fun or exciting to listen to.

Why Wharfedale? I got to hear a few models just window shopping on a business trip about 6 months ago and have been thinking about them ever since. I don’t remember the models but the thing I do remember is the sound signature. I enjoyed the laid back warm sound. That is how my ears perceived it. I remember making a mental note that this was the next brand for me.

I listen to a little bit of everything. Jazz, metal, soul, rap & hip hop, top 40, EDM, classical, classic rock. I do appreciate a good solid clean low end extension. I was really considering the EVO 4.1 but this was before I realized it was only a 5 inch woofer. Next I started looking at the 4.2 but have read mixed reviews and people ranking the 4.1s over the 4.2.

The diamond 11.2 seems to be an affordable option that also offers a 6.5 inch woofer.

I am confident that any of these 3 models will blow me away. I don’t think it’s possible for me to be disappointed by any of them. I just want some outside input and opinions to help guide me and give me some confidence in my purchase.

I have looked locally and called many places. They are not available to listen in person. Thanks for any input or buying advice! Help me choose. Ask for any more details. I’m happy to provide it.
As mentioned, order two pairs from Crutchfield and send the losing pair home within 60 days and the return shipping charge will actually be zero if you keep a pair as that charge would then come out of your rewards points.

Have fun.

BTW, if you end up with a pair that are $600 or less you have enough money in your budget to upgrade your sub to the RSL Speedwoofer which is $400...free returns on that if not happy.

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I listen to a little bit of everything. Jazz, metal, soul, rap & hip hop, top 40, EDM, classical, classic rock. I do appreciate a good solid clean low end extension. I was really considering the EVO 4.1 but this was before I realized it was only a 5 inch woofer. Next I started looking at the 4.2 but have read mixed reviews and people ranking the 4.1s over the 4.2.

The diamond 11.2 seems to be an affordable option that also offers a 6.5 inch woofer.
You could audition the Diamond 225 and 11.2, plus either of the Evos---Crutchfield gives you a sweet $10 flat rate return shipping for bookshelf pairs.

The 11.2 is the current version of the 225; I prefer its more conservative aesthetic, but some people like or don't mind the 225's shiny woofer rings. I have read a few user reviews reporting that the 11x series is more "neutral" than the 22x and 10x preceding series, FWIW. The 225 is currently on sale for $100 less than the 11.2 if you're looking to save a little money.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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The Evo 4.1 & 4.2 are available at Crutchfield. You can order both and try them in your own home.

Return policy is 60 days and $10.00 each.

Worst case scenario...your out $20.00.
I did not realize Crutchfield offered that. I am now considering ordering 3 pairs of speakers.



Here is my order list right now (open to suggestions):
  • ELAC Debut Reference DBR62
  • SVS Prime Bookshelf
  • Wharfedale EVO4.1
Once I decide on speakers I will be adding an SVS PB-1000 or Monolith THX to my setup to replace my Dayton 10.
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You could audition the Diamond 225 and 11.2, plus either of the Evos---Crutchfield gives you a sweet $10 flat rate return shipping for bookshelf pairs.

The 11.2 is the current version of the 225; I prefer its more conservative aesthetic, but some people like or don't mind the 225's shiny woofer rings. I have read a few user reviews reporting that the 11x series is more "neutral" than the 22x and 10x preceding series, FWIW. The 225 is currently on sale for $100 less than the 11.2 if you're looking to save a little money.
Thanks for the info. I bet I could go with the Diamonds to save some money and possibly put that towards a new AV Receiver or a power amp. I never new deciding on speakers would be such a task.
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I did not realize Crutchfield offered that. I am now considering ordering 3 pairs of speakers.
Here is my order list right now (open to suggestions):
  • ELAC Debut Reference DBR62
  • SVS Prime Bookshelf
  • Wharfedale EVO4.1
Once I decide on speakers I will be adding an SVS PB-1000 or Monolith THX to my setup to replace my Dayton 10.
Like RSL and JBL, SVS provides free return shipping on ALL of their products, so I would just order directly from them and use Crutchfield for speakers you can't find with free/subsidized return shipping anywhere else.

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)
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Thanks for the info. I bet I could go with the Diamonds to save some money and possibly put that towards a new AV Receiver or a power amp. I never new deciding on speakers would be such a task.
Heh, it can actually be a lot of fun, and not very expensive given the free/subsidized return shipping options that exist these days.

Actually being able to listen to speakers at home, using YOUR gear and subject to YOUR room acoustics, with zero sales pressure or time constraints (30-60 days usually)---is a real blessing.

Anyway, try not to overthink it...just enjoy the process!

~ Are you a "geek hobbyist" obsessed with squeezing out that last 5-10% improvement? The economy will thank you...especially the Chinese one. Or are you more of a get-set-and-forget "casual user" who simply wants to increase your enjoyment of movies, TV and gaming? Relax, HT isn't rocket science, nor does it have to cost an arm and a leg---especially if you ignore the aforementioned vocal minority. And remember to smile...it's just a silly hobby, after all. :)

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I did not realize Crutchfield offered that. I am now considering ordering 3 pairs of speakers.



Here is my order list right now (open to suggestions):
  • ELAC Debut Reference DBR62
  • SVS Prime Bookshelf
  • Wharfedale EVO4.1
Once I decide on speakers I will be adding an SVS PB-1000 or Monolith THX to my setup to replace my Dayton 10.
Looking forward to your impressions.

Note on Crutchfield's bookshelf return policy; it's $10/box.

Generally if they are sold in pairs only, then they likely come in one box.

If they are sold individually it will be two boxes.

Just FYI.

Looking forward to your impressions.

Order the SVS direct from SVS of course as they offer free returns.

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Looking forward to your impressions.

Note on Crutchfield's bookshelf return policy; it's $10/box.

Generally if they are sold in pairs only, then they likely come in one box.

If they are sold individually it will be two boxes.

Just FYI.

Looking forward to your impressions.

Order the SVS direct from SVS of course as they offer free returns.
Ok I went ahead and ordered the Wharfedale EVO 4.1 White and SVS Prime Bookshelf's Piano Black to start. I like the look of both speakers and am excited to audition them in a 2.0 setup. If one of these fits my needs I will send the other back and probably order an RLS 10s.


I think both of these will be great to my ears so it will be a win whichever way I go. Especially since I know this is not an endgame speaker but a first step into my journey.
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Heh, it can actually be a lot of fun, and not very expensive given the free/subsidized return shipping options that exist these days.

Actually being able to listen to speakers at home, using YOUR gear and subject to YOUR room acoustics, with zero sales pressure or time constraints (30-60 days usually)---is a real blessing.

Anyway, try not to overthink it...just enjoy the process!
I took your advice on not overthinking and ordering from Crutchfield. I was also considering the Revel Concerta2 M16 but they were at the top of my budget and I would have to wait on upgrading my sub if I ended up keeping them. Ended up ordering Wharfedale EVO 4.1 and SVS Prime Bookshelf's. Will report back once I give them both a listen. The winner will be paired with an RSL 10s.
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Ended up ordering Wharfedale EVO 4.1 and SVS Prime Bookshelf's. Will report back once I give them both a listen. The winner will be paired with an RSL 10s.
Wow, that's going to be a very clear cut decision one way or another, because the two will be virtually bipolar opposites of each other. Have fun!

PS. Make sure you compare them WITH the sub running since that's how you will be actually using the winner, otherwise your choice will be heavily biased by whichever speaker has more mid-bass output (the Primes by a wide margin).

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My sub is a Dayton 10 inch...Wharfedale...
We happen to have spent some time listening to EVO 4.4 at Audio Element. A fine speaker, but we didn't like it as much as the previous Reva 4. Mostly because it had a narrow sweet spot, you really had to be sitting right out in front. Now that is a tower, but the same will apply to the other models which have the same driver array. Maybe it's my design prejudices as a loudspeaker designer but I was unconvinced by the marriage of big dome mid and ribbon. (And while I do like the delicacy ribbons can bring however they tend to be directional).

The Diamond 11.2 didn't have quite the detail something of the more expensive Evo (and Reva) but sounded very pleasant playing Zeppelin and ...Diana Krall? I forget what all we heard, since it was someone else's demo. They sounded super nice all throughout the shop. If I had to listen only to these until I died, eh, it would be OK. Read through this https://www.stereophile.com/content/...12-loudspeaker the port tuning is low for a bookshelf, 41Hz, so they should not bottom out as much as typical bookshelf speakers tuned higher.

But forget all that. Get the Lintons!! Just $1500 WITH the cool retro matching stands!! Those sounded totally fabulous, whether on Miles Davis or a bunch of other types of music. Low tuned but lemme tell ya an 8" woofer and bigger ports outdoes something like the Diamond, you could sell off your subwoofer (or move up to like a giant 12" heh heh). A really fine design. If I had to listen only to these until I died, yes there are better speakers (for a bunch more $$$), but these would be totally fine by me.
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By the way how IS your sub connected and integrated?
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We happen to have spent some time listening to EVO 4.4 at Audio Element. A fine speaker, but we didn't like it as much as the previous Reva 4. Mostly because it had a narrow sweet spot, you really had to be sitting right out in front. Now that is a tower, but the same will apply to the other models which have the same driver array. Maybe it's my design prejudices as a loudspeaker designer but I was unconvinced by the marriage of big dome mid and ribbon. (And while I do like the delicacy ribbons can bring however they tend to be directional).

The Diamond 11.2 didn't have quite the detail something of the more expensive Evo (and Reva) but sounded very pleasant playing Zeppelin and ...Diana Krall? I forget what all we heard, since it was someone else's demo. They sounded super nice all throughout the shop. If I had to listen only to these until I died, eh, it would be OK. Read through this https://www.stereophile.com/content/...12-loudspeaker the port tuning is low for a bookshelf, 41Hz, so they should not bottom out as much as typical bookshelf speakers tuned higher.

But forget all that. Get the Lintons!! Just $1500 WITH the cool retro matching stands!! Those sounded totally fabulous, whether on Miles Davis or a bunch of other types of music. Low tuned but lemme tell ya an 8" woofer and bigger ports outdoes something like the Diamond, you could sell off your subwoofer (or move up to like a giant 12" heh heh). A really fine design. If I had to listen only to these until I died, yes there are better speakers (for a bunch more $$$), but these would be totally fine by me.
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How did the Diamond 11 series sound compared to the 10x or 22x series? I've read a few user reviews which found the 11x to be almost "too" neutral in comparison. Was that your impression too?

I'd love a pair of Lintons myself, but have a hard time with their retro looks.

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How did the Diamond 11 series sound compared to the 10x or 22x series? I've read a few user reviews which found the 11x to be almost "too" neutral in comparison. Was that your impression too?
I'd love a pair of Lintons myself, but have a hard time with their retro looks.
I couldn't say, I haven't heard those other series. I felt that the 11.2 was not quite as refined as other albeit significantly more stuff we'd been listening to (Monitor Audio Silver 300, Focal 936, Revel whatever the $1600 tower is). However for my taste they did not have any annoying prominence or deficit, which is saying something. The Lintons looks, perhaps not matching living rooms true. But remind me in a warm retro way of speakers I built when I was a teenager getting into speakers so much it inspired me to go to engineering school and do it for a living.
And their looks are kind of...honest. Retro but timeless in a way. Exactly the same height (on their stands) as the other towers, interestingly. Their designer says the mid sound is helped by launch from the wider baffle compared to the typical skinny towers these days.
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I took your advice on not overthinking and ordering from Crutchfield. I was also considering the Revel Concerta2 M16 but they were at the top of my budget and I would have to wait on upgrading my sub if I ended up keeping them. Ended up ordering Wharfedale EVO 4.1 and SVS Prime Bookshelf's. Will report back once I give them both a listen. The winner will be paired with an RSL 10s.
Another free return shipping option that's just popped up is the JBL 530 which is again on sale for just $300/pr:
https://www.jbl.com/studio-5-series/

Look up Gary Mertz's multi-bookshelf shootout thread, where the JBLs came out on top against some very well respected speakers.

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Another free return shipping option that's just popped up is the JBL 530 which is again on sale for just $300/pr:
https://www.jbl.com/studio-5-series/

Look up Gary Mertz's multi-bookshelf shootout thread, where the JBLs came out on top against some very well respected speakers.
I just came back to this thread to ask if I should order these for the price to add to the list. Seeing this I've just ordered a set. So 3 speakers to audition.
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I just came back to this thread to ask if I should order these for the price to add to the list. Seeing this I've just ordered a set. So 3 speakers to audition.
Great, I look forward to reading all about that!

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Quick update for anyone who comes across this.


Today 2 out of 3 pairs have arrived:
  • Wharfedale EVO 4.1
  • SVS Prime Bookshelf
Still waiting on the JBL 530's. They should arrive on Friday. After doing some research online and because this is a setup for a small bedroom I have decided to order an SVS SB-1000. I think the sealed options will be best in my small bedroom setup.



I've also been the look out for a used or refurbished Denon AVR that has Audyssey XT32. I think that would be a nice upgrade from my Denon AVR-SB500BT.



Open to input from others regarding the sub and AVR choices. Thanks all.
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I've also been the look out for a used or refurbished Denon AVR that has Audyssey XT32. I think that would be a nice upgrade from my Denon AVR-SB500BT.

Open to input from others regarding the sub and AVR choices. Thanks all.
Look for "Renewed" Denons on Amazon. Or you could try the "certified refurbished" Denons on accessories4less.com but keep in mind they are not easy to deal with for non-defective returns.

Regarding the sub:
  1. What's your budget max?
  2. Room size?
  3. Is the room totally enclosed, or open plan?

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Look for "Renewed" Denons on Amazon. Or you could try the "certified refurbished" Denons on accessories4less.com but keep in mind they are not easy to deal with for non-defective returns.

Regarding the sub:
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  2. Room size?
  3. Is the room totally enclosed, or open plan?
Max budget for sub would be $500. Probably about the same for a new receiver.


The room size is 12'x12'x8' cube shaped and sealed off when the door is closed. Basically a box.
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Max budget for sub would be $500. Probably about the same for a new receiver.

The room size is 12'x12'x8' cube shaped and sealed off when the door is closed. Basically a box.
A room that small, and with 50/50 music/HT usage, I'd get a pair of these:
https://www.jbl.com/studio-5-series/SUB+550P.html

Open up one box, and if it's enough for you, ship back the second box on JBL's dime. I have a pair of these in my music setup in a much bigger open plan living room, and they are great for music. For HT, a pair might be ideal for a smaller room like yours. That jaw-dropping price only comes up maybe 2 times a year, most of the time they are $600 apiece.

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A room that small, and with 50/50 music/HT usage, I'd get a pair of these:
https://www.jbl.com/studio-5-series/SUB+550P.html

Open up one box, and if it's enough for you, ship back the second box on JBL's dime. I have a pair of these in my music setup in a much bigger open plan living room, and they are great for music. For HT, a pair might be ideal for a smaller room like yours. That jaw-dropping price only comes up maybe 2 times a year, most of the time they are $600 apiece.

For my room I would prefer a single subwoofer setup. Would you pick the JBL over the RSL 10s or SVS SB1000. Seems like the value is too strong on the JBL.
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For my room I would prefer a single subwoofer setup. Would you pick the JBL over the RSL 10s or SVS SB1000. Seems like the value is too strong on the JBL.
Well, all 3 of those speakers come with free returns, but currently the JBL is the least expensive ($189) followed by the RSL ($400) and then the SVS ($500).

For musical finesse I'd pick the JBL over the RSL; for output the RSL since it's the only vented sub. You could always try the SVS too but I would be surprised if it could keep up with either one.

At $500 I'd get the sealed Monolith 10" over the SB1000, but the Mono doesn't have free return shipping.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=35143

You might want to post this question about all 4 subs in the Subwoofers forum, you'll get more feedback there.
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You could audition the Diamond 225 and 11.2, plus either of the Evos---Crutchfield gives you a sweet $10 flat rate return shipping for bookshelf pairs.

The 11.2 is the current version of the 225; I prefer its more conservative aesthetic, but some people like or don't mind the 225's shiny woofer rings. I have read a few user reviews reporting that the 11x series is more "neutral" than the 22x and 10x preceding series, FWIW. The 225 is currently on sale for $100 less than the 11.2 if you're looking to save a little money.
The 11.2 has a rising treble, unlike their past speakers: https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements

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Here goes an average joe's review.



Today I opened up the Wharfedale EVO 4.1's and I love them. I got the white speakers. They came with white gloves for handling. I thought that was funny and made for a classy opening experience . The speakers look beautiful without the grills but had a lower WAF.

For anyone reading please note I am coming from a pair of Polk RTi A3's that I got for free. I never loved them but found them to obviously be a HUGE step above TV audio. I've been listening to these for roughly 4 years. After setting up the EVO's and figuring out how to properly wire a 4 post speaker (noob here) I sat in the sweet spot and started playing a playlist I have been putting together to audition all 3 sets of speakers. These are songs that I know really well from all genres.



Look & Feel:
The speakers are really beautiful. The cab is solid and I'm a huge fan of the overall design especially enjoying the black and white color contrast. I'm a huge fan of the AMT tweeter look. The black base is really nice as well. To me it brings a nice balance and finished look to the speaker overall.


Music:
Coming form the Polk's the EVO's have this amazing mid range clarity. I've really notices that male vocals sound rich, full, smooth and present. I'm finding strength in the mid range that I previously did not have. The guitars in Fleetwood Mac - Never Going Back Again shine on these speakers. I'm not well versed enough to really critically listen to highs/tweeters. All I can say is that to me they are perfect. I have a preference for a laid back high end that can still provide detail. For instance I am not a fan of Klipsch or Focal sound signatures. The EVO's were easy on the ears during a 2 hours straight listening session. Smooth is what comes to mind when listening to these AMT's. The low end of these is fuller, tighter, and deeper than the Polk RTi A3's even though the polks have a larger woofer, bigger cabinet and a front port. Overall these are just fun, balanced, and bring life and energy to music. I have not listened to the SVS Primes or the JBL's but if I was stuck with these I would not be mad AT ALL. I like them a lot.



Here are some tracks I really enjoyed on these:

  • Fleetwood Mac - Never Going Back Again
  • The Weeknd - In Your Eyes (that lead synth packs a punch and his vocals are silky)
  • Tame Impala - Let It Happen
  • Sun Rai - San Francisco Street (tasty bass line, drums, and vocals)
  • Bruce Springsteen - I'm On Fire
  • Cashmere Cat - Quit
  • Daft Punk - Fragments Of Time
  • Neil Young - Out On The Weekend
My plan is to listen to these for the 7 to 10 days before switching over the SVS Primes. Right now I'm extremely excited and know that being stuck with any one of these options will be a win for me. Very curious to hear how the $300 JBL's stack up against the rest.



Feel free to offer your tips or advice when auditioning new speakers. I only know that you should be using material you know well, so that is all I've done so far. Thanks for reading and any advice.
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I got lucky and snagged a refurbished X4500H a couple of weeks ago for $999. The Denon X3000 series is where Audyssey XT32 begins. That is where I would recommend you begin. X4000 series has a nicer remote and more features.

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