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Speaker Wire Make a Difference?

There was a thread that was CLOSED and had to post this that was done by @polkandwhat , a couple days ago. I found it interesting whether you prefer Exotic cost or low cost Ordinary speaker wire: Any Differences? By Roger Russell You be the judge

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

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No difference. Snake oil.
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There's no reason (other than "audiophile") to expect that high-/over-priced speaker wire will perform better than / be superior to good-quality, inexpensive speaker wire.
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There was a thread that was CLOSED and had to post this that was done by @polkandwhat , a couple days ago. I found it interesting whether you prefer Exotic cost or low cost Ordinary speaker wire: Any Differences? By Roger Russell You be the judge

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

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Most speaker wires are made of copper. Copper is a naturally occurring element and is found in a free metallic state in nature. Copper is in Group 11 of the Periodic Table of Elements with an Atomic Number of 29, Atomic Weight of 63.546 and is called out by the Periodic Symbol Cu.

Copper used as electrical wire has been around since the 1820's. Modern refining techniques for copper for the use as copper electrical wire requires the wire to be oxygen free in the refining process and a minimum of 99.9% pure with most wire being 99.99% pure or greater.

Copper wire does not know if it's being sold as "Exotic" high cost or "low cost Ordinary speaker wire", it just conducts electricity when it's connected to a source.

Unless the copper wire is somehow mitigated to alter its resistive/capacitive properties, it all has the same conductive properties.

Most anything else is superfluous blather.
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Speaker wire can matter in extreme cases, but that does not mean that the high-end "audiophile" cables are better. It is most important to use cable with sufficiently low gauge for the length of your run. Well constructed cables sold by BJC or Monoprice are more than sufficient. Ignore the claims of uber-expensive audiophile interconnect companies that are not based in engineering or scientific principles.

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Any good quality OFC speaker cable of sufficient gauge is fine. For most runs 12/2 is more than sufficient and 14/2 is good enough in all bu the longest runs. Monoprice has nice cable, but Belden 5000 is good too. If audiophiles would spend the money they spend on cables on room treatments (with enough money left over for a nice charitable donation) they would have much better sound.
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As someone who fell into the trap of expensive wiring, I can anecdotally confirm that my Blue Jeans cabling sounds just as good as my previous Nordost cabling. If you have extra money laying around and nothing to spend it on, then buying some premium, fancy cabling is just fine, but please realize you are buying it for aesthetics more than function. Some of the Norse series from Nordost are extremely good looking cables.

If your budget is limited, buying better or different speakers or acoustic room treatments is a much better way to spend your money. Those are two areas that will make a much bigger difference in how your system sounds.
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The only way speaker wire matters is that it must go from the amp to the speaker.
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A video you might want to watch (i found it useful) ... but short version, for speaker cables it doesn't really matter. That said, don't make them super thick or thin (12-14 gauge is what you should be looking for)


also, https://www.bluejeanscable.com/ makes some sweet cables and you might want check them out. Cheap hi-end cables. (no magic.. just well built.)

The only "fancy" cables i use are for power. No, not because they make any diff coming from the wall... but for the snakenest that is behind my AV gear. Everything is touching everything. Highly shield power keep it from screwing with all the other cables it is touching.

My Hi-Fi setup is super nightmare of over lapping cables in a small spot. xlr, SE, power, speaker wires.. ugh - but if the cables aren't touching.. i'd not stress it to much. I use BJ for everything (other than power.)

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Maybe just add that you might need UL certified and CL2 rated depending on your space.


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"Speaker Wire Make a Difference?"

Yes, most definitely, in the case of many of the most expensive and exotic cable designs. Why? Because these are designed, engineered, and manufactured specifically to produce a certain "house sound", by incorporating various gizmos and devices into the cables. They are essentially being used as tone controls, so that users can fine tune their systems. Some even are made with materials such as graphene and some employ magnets along the cables. I actually don't see how they could possibly sound the same at all, given the alterations and disparate designs employed in them. Now, as to more conventional copper cables, it's probably unlikely to hear much difference from them.
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"Speaker Wire Make a Difference?"

Yes, most definitely, in the case of many of the most expensive and exotic cable designs. Why? Because these are designed, engineered, and manufactured specifically to produce a certain "house sound", by incorporating various gizmos and devices into the cables. They are essentially being used as tone controls, so that users can fine tune their systems. Some even are made with materials such as graphene and some employ magnets along the cables. I actually don't see how they could possibly sound the same at all, given the alterations and disparate designs employed in them. Now, as to more conventional copper cables, it's probably unlikely to hear much difference from them.
Definitely a minority report.
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The ones with "fancy gizmos," like batteries across a dielectric, are designed by and for idiots.
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The ones with "fancy gizmos," like batteries across a dielectric, are designed by and for idiots.

I think the people designing and selling those "fancy gizmos" cables are genius selling cables for 1000% profit. The people they sell them too are the non electrical engineers with too much money to burn and the gullible.
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I think the people designing and selling those "fancy gizmos" cables are genius selling cables for 1000% profit. The people they sell them too are the non electrical engineers with too much money to burn and the gullible.

Touche.
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"Speaker Wire Make a Difference?"

Yes, most definitely, in the case of many of the most expensive and exotic cable designs. Why? Because these are designed, engineered, and manufactured specifically to produce a certain "house sound", by incorporating various gizmos and devices into the cables. They are essentially being used as tone controls, so that users can fine tune their systems. Some even are made with materials such as graphene and some employ magnets along the cables. I actually don't see how they could possibly sound the same at all, given the alterations and disparate designs employed in them. Now, as to more conventional copper cables, it's probably unlikely to hear much difference from them.
Funniest thing I've read in a long time.
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Definitely a minority report.
Umm, okay. But do you care to actually comment on the points I made about the cables being designed to have a unique sound? And as to how widely differing the materials and configurations are?

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I’m a journeyman electrician and wire definitely matters. When we shop at supply houses we make sure that we can guarantee that the resistance and conductivity meet a certain level. The Home Depot brand wire (southwire i think) you’re buying is crap. You might think you’re getting good, quality connections but you’re not. The voltage can’t make it all the way through that crappy wire and you’re not getting the electricity’s full potential. It downgrades the electricity and it’s no longer as pure and I assure you, your appliances hate that and they don’t run as well.


How ridiculous does that sound? Wire is wire people, there’s no magic copper. Resistance is inherent to the sizing of the wire, it’s all the same.damn.thing.
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The last thing anyone wants is audio that's been worn down en route from source and arrives at speakers sounding sluggish. Sure, a Shakti Stone or two can perk things up a bit, but do you really want jazzed up audio if you aren't listening to jazz? I know I don't.
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Umm, okay. But do you care to actually comment on the points I made about the cables being designed to have a unique sound? And as to how widely differing the materials and configurations are?
Sure.

If it's what you're claiming, it's no longer a speaker wire. It's now some form of resistive capacitive circuit if it alters the sound.

So if that's what you're buying, then you should be aware of or ask what specific frequencies that circuit is altering, how it's altering it (boost or attenuation), and to what degree in dB at those defined specific frequencies.

You should then understand how that RC circuit might interact and affect the playback nature of your particular speakers.
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There was a thread that was CLOSED and had to post this that was done by @polkandwhat , a couple days ago. I found it interesting whether you prefer Exotic cost or low cost Ordinary speaker wire: Any Differences? By Roger Russell You be the judge

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

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I sure hope not. My speakers retailed for over $20K when new and I am totally happy with Belden OFC that I used to wire my entire theater. Anything more is a waste.
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Let’s hope this thread can stay away from the personal insults this time.

IMO if a speaker wire is altering the signal in any way that is measurable then it isn’t doing its job. Ideally it should transparently transmit the signal from the amplifier to the speaker.

I am of the school of thought that if one can’t measure a difference than there is no real audible difference. Human hearing isn’t that sensitive. I am in my 40’s and I can’t hear bumpkis over 15 kHz or so.

I agree that Blue Jeans is a good vendor for quality cable and interconnects. Shouldn’t have to spend any more than that to get that transparent/unaltered signal from amp to speaker.

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Umm, okay. But do you care to actually comment on the points I made about the cables being designed to have a unique sound? And as to how widely differing the materials and configurations are?
No, I don't care to comment.

All that I meant was that your view might be in the minority of posters here.

I'm not equipped to debunk the claims of audiophiles. Too bad they're not more common. It might be good for the economy.
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The ones with "fancy gizmos," like batteries across a dielectric, are designed by and for idiots.

I would only contradict that by saying that actually they are designed by "geniuses" - because they know idiots will buy them.... Cha-ching!!
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I have heard a difference with a certain cable BUT when it gets into the 100's it makes no sense and is better put toward a better speaker fund.
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The last thing anyone wants is audio that's been worn down en route from source and arrives at speakers sounding sluggish. Sure, a Shakti Stone or two can perk things up a bit, but do you really want jazzed up audio if you aren't listening to jazz? I know I don't.
I'd suggest the famous Jade Egg from Goop rather than a Shakti Stone. https://shop.goop.com/shop/products/...gg?country=USA

Some have trouble figuring where to insert it in an audio setup, though.
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I'd suggest the famous Jade Egg from Goop rather than a Shakti Stone. https://shop.goop.com/shop/products/...gg?country=USA

Some have trouble figuring where to insert it in an audio setup, though.

Whoa....he, he....didn't know what that was exactly until I started reading, was wondering what you meant be insert into the audio setup....now I know...

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Umm, okay. But do you care to actually comment on the points I made about the cables being designed to have a unique sound? And as to how widely differing the materials and configurations are?

Attempting to tailor the sound with DSP in a pre/pro or AVR is infinitely more effective than doing so with a passive cable, which is a primitive, blunt instrument in comparison. The best a cable can be is completely transparent; otherwise, it can only added losses to the system, attenuate some frequencies, or contribute to amplifier instability if designed particularly poorly. Engineers involved with RF design or anyone with a decent understanding of transmission line theory would laugh at the fairy dust marketing babble that is ubiquitous on the websites of some audiophile cable manufacturers.
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Why does this topic always populate forums? and why I'm I commenting on this? if you are an optimizer of systems and have the budget to experiment with the perceived or real tonal changes of wires please do so. That is what a retail sales return policy is for.
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If it's the same gauge/composition (i.e. Oxygen-Free Copper), it makes no difference whether you spend $200 on a 6 foot cable or less than $50 for a 100' spool.

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