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The larger drivers come into play in two ways. One is if you crossover to the subs at a lower frequency. The smaller driver is simply not capable of going lower. In the case of the 500C you need to use between a 90-100hz crossover. The 600C you can crossover at 80hz. Remember crossover should be set based on room acoustics and not capability. So just because the 600C can be crossed over at 80hz does not mean that you still shouldn't have the crossover at 90-100hz. I have heard both and they are very similar if crossed over at 100hz. Darth Vader will sound no different there as it will come out the sub if below the crossover point. Both speakers use the same midrange and tweeter and the only real difference is size of woofers.

However, the other advantage of a bigger woofer is it can play louder and with less distortion when playing loud. This is a reason to consider going bigger depending on how loud you like to listen. If you are not pushing the speaker with the smaller woofer to its limits than it is not a problem. I usually tell people to be honest with their listening levels. I see many people crank up their system when showing their friends for a few minutes but watch movies at more moderate levels and never really listen that loud. Others do like to crank it and listen very loud. We like that our sports car can go 200mph (~320kph for you Canadians) but few of us ever do. Of course with sports cars there are reasons to buy but you get the point. If you want to play loud than consider going larger.

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The larger drivers come into play in two ways. One is if you crossover to the subs at a lower frequency. The smaller driver is simply not capable of going lower. In the case of the 500C you need to use between a 90-100hz crossover. The 600C you can crossover at 80hz. Remember crossover should be set based on room acoustics and not capability. So just because the 600C can be crossed over at 80hz does not mean that you still shouldn't have the crossover at 90-100hz. I have heard both and they are very similar if crossed over at 100hz. Darth Vader will sound no different there as it will come out the sub if below the crossover point. Both speakers use the same midrange and tweeter and the only real difference is size of woofers.



However, the other advantage of a bigger woofer is it can play louder and with less distortion when playing loud. This is a reason to consider going bigger depending on how loud you like to listen. If you are not pushing the speaker with the smaller woofer to its limits than it is not a problem. I usually tell people to be honest with their listening levels. I see many people crank up their system when showing their friends for a few minutes but watch movies at more moderate levels and never really listen that loud. Others do like to crank it and listen very loud. We like that our sports car can go 200mph (~320kph for you Canadians) but few of us ever do. Of course with sports cars there are reasons to buy but you get the point. If you want to play loud than consider going larger.



I'm on vacation the next two weeks and will have very limited internet access. So if you don't see a reply you know why. You can always PM me if you have questions and I will answer when back but I am not sure if I will have time to get caught up on two weeks of posts.
Ok, thank you that is helpful info.
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Well, I just ordered the power for this new setup.

I got in on a descent sale and grabbed a factory sealed Denon AVR-X4500H from an authorized dealer. Do you guys think it will be a good match for my planned setup? Here is the tentative final 5.1 setup. A second matching subwoofer and 4 x Atmos height speakers will be added later to the remaining 4 x amp channels and second sub output to make it a 5.2.4 system...

Receiver: Denon AVR-X4500H

L/R: Paradigm Premier 800F x 2
Center: Paradigm Premier 600C
Surrounds: Paradigm Premier 200B
Subwoofer: Paradigm Defiance X12 or SVS PB-2000 Pro


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Subwoofer: Paradigm Defiance X12 or SVS PB-2000 Pro
Since you will have the best version (IIRC) of Audyssey with dual-sub EQ, then there is no need for the Defiance subs with ARC.

Basement 5.1.4: Anthem MRX 720, Monoprice 2-channel amp, Paradigm Prestige 85F/55C/15B. PSB Alpha A1/P3 for Atmos HSU STF-2, ATV4K, XBox OneS, Harmony Ultimate, Samsung 65" Q7D.
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Since you will have the best version (IIRC) of Audyssey with dual-sub EQ, then there is no need for the Defiance subs with ARC.
Most of the popular and more powerful lines of subs on the market come with built in DSP/RC so there is no choice really. I would have to go down to the lower end lines to not have DSP/RC(and some don't even offer ones without it). Plus, the higher end lines are better built with better quality components and more powerful amps.

I am open to suggestions but, after about three months of research, the two I listed seam like the best options for a Canadian with my planned setup and power requirements. I had to rule out some great companies due to availability and warranty support up here in Canada. Both SVS and Paradigm are easy to get where I am and offer great warranty and customer support(Paradigm takes the lead though as their subs I am looking at are fully designed and made in Canada right in the same province as me). Any other options are definitely more then welcome though but, they have to be easily available in Canada and offer Canadian customer service/warranty support.

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Thanks for the reply.

You can order direct from Paradigm I believe or another dealer should you decide to go Para.

Any chance we could get a link to that review(even partial)?

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I´m in south america...can´t order from Paradigm =(
You can find reviews of the Monitor SE 6000F, Premier 700F and Polk S50 on hometheaterreview dot com
Since you are coming from a Logitech Z5500 you will probably be really impressed with Paradigm/ Polk or SVS Speakers. I also had a Z5500 years ago...and a Creative Soundwork 550 THX...good old times



Here some prices in my country:
- Monitor 6000F $ 1000
- Monitor 3000F $ 830
- Monitor 2000c $ 270
- Monitor Atom $ 350



- Premier 500c $ 880
- Premier 100b $ 1000
- Premier 700f $ 1700


Since I can´t get the 2000c or Atoms in black color i´m in a dillema...
I already decided to get the Premier 500c over the 2000c...(4 drivers best displacement)

But i´m having a hard time choosing the surrounds...I don´t want to spend $ 1000 for a surround speaker (Premier 100b)...
With that money I can purchase the 6000F for front duty and put my 3000f for surround...or I can order another Pair of 3000f for surround for a little less than the Premier 100b
My dedicated room is small (3.00 X 3.80)....4 towers will be overkill...BUT that will give me a really nice/balanced sound in movies/games/multichannel music...love that option...
I already have a PC12 Plus sub...located in the front....but want to sell it to get 2x PB2000 Pro or 2x PB3000 to put in the back, side by side on the sofa...but with 2 towers as surround speakers i can´t do that...
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I think you can´t go wrong with the Premier series...since you are from Canada they really will be my first chooise...
800F, 500C, 100B, that will be a killer setup...but even with the Denon 4500 in the future you should add a dedicated 2 channels power...that will sure bring the 800F to the next level
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I´m in south america...can´t order from Paradigm =(
You can find reviews of the Monitor SE 6000F, Premier 700F and Polk S50 on hometheaterreview dot com
Since you are coming from a Logitech Z5500 you will probably be really impressed with Paradigm/ Polk or SVS Speakers. I also had a Z5500 years ago...and a Creative Soundwork 550 THX...good old times



Here some prices in my country:
- Monitor 6000F $ 1000
- Monitor 3000F $ 830
- Monitor 2000c $ 270
- Monitor Atom $ 350



- Premier 500c $ 880
- Premier 100b $ 1000
- Premier 700f $ 1700


Since I can´t get the 2000c or Atoms in black color i´m in a dillema...
I already decided to get the Premier 500c over the 2000c...(4 drivers best displacement)

But i´m having a hard time choosing the surrounds...I don´t want to spend $ 1000 for a surround speaker (Premier 100b)...
With that money I can purchase the 6000F for front duty and put my 3000f for surround...or I can order another Pair of 3000f for surround for a little less than the Premier 100b
My dedicated room is small (3.00 X 3.80)....4 towers will be overkill...BUT that will give me a really nice/balanced sound in movies/games/multichannel music...love that option...
I already have a PC12 Plus sub...located in the front....but want to sell it to get 2x PB2000 Pro or 2x PB3000 to put in the back, side by side on the sofa...but with 2 towers as surround speakers i can´t do that...
...
I think you can´t go wrong with the Premier series...since you are from Canada they really will be my first chooise...
800F, 500C, 100B, that will be a killer setup...but even with the Denon 4500 in the future you should add a dedicated 2 channels power...that will sure bring the 800F to the next level
That's a bummer about availability and high prices where you are. Yeah, anything is going to be a large upgrade for me. The old Z5500 served me well for 14+ years though so, I guess I can't complain.

I would go 6000F and move the 3000F to surrounds if I were you. That will save you some cash on stands or shelves as well. I am half considering just getting 700F for my rears so I don't have to buy stands. It would be awesome for gaming and multichannel music too I bet.

I plan on 2 x PB-2000 Pro or 2 x Defiance X12 as well. You are generally better off running them in apposing corners from what I hear but, your room correction should show you the best placement.

Yep, I still have to listen to them but, at this point I am almost decided on 800F, 600C, 200B/700F with 4 x Atmos on the roof and 2 x subs. If the 4500H is lacking for the 800F's(it should drive them pretty well at 125watts x 2 with the other amps off though) I will add a 2 or 3 channel power amp and run off the preouts down the road.

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Well, I ordered an AC Infinity Aircom T8 to cool the 4500H from the get go as well as some 12 Gauge OFC cable(Omage SW12) and 24K gold plated brass bananas(Sewell Silverback).

Think these will be ok guys...
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Well, I ordered an AC Infinity Aircom T8 to cool the 4500H from the get go as well as some 12 Gauge OFC cable(Omage SW12) and 24K gold plated brass bananas(Sewell Silverback).

Think these will be ok guys...
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Sorry, I forgot that you;re a fellow Canuck, eh? You're right, those two subs are the best you can get up here at that price.

I use the Sewell Deadbolts, got them from amazon.ca and they are pretty much perfect. I had used the Silverback style before, and the set screws didn't hold the wire very well (plus, they are a pain in the a$$).

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Sorry, I forgot that you;re a fellow Canuck, eh? You're right, those two subs are the best you can get up here at that price.

I use the Sewell Deadbolts, got them from amazon.ca and they are pretty much perfect. I had used the Silverback style before, and the set screws didn't hold the wire very well (plus, they are a pain in the a$$).
Yes sir, NW Ontario eh. Yeah, we are pretty limited here if you want warranty and customer support unfortunately. If we weren't, I would be considering HSU, Rythmik, Emotiva, Monoprice, etc. in addition to my current choices.

Thanks for the heads up. It's nice to know they are good quality as they looked well made for the price. I plan to coat the interface in Deoxit Gold and Blue Loctite the set screws so, hopefully there isn't an issue.

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Well, the sub is now in house...
https://i.imgur.com/Fj6rf3O.jpg
As you can see, I went with the X12 over the SVS PB-2000 Pro.

The rest(towers, surrounds, & center)will be here within the week. Decided today on the final setup after auditioning a few different options. The Monitor SE Series sounds pretty darn good(especially for the price), I was impressed. The Personas are ridiculous(I only tried the bookshelves but, they are absolutely amazing). Didn't get to hear the Signatures but, I have before and they are nice. Pushed the budget but, went with the middle ground. Here is my final setup...

AVR: Denon AVR-X4500H
AVR Cooler: AC Infinity Aircom T8
Towers: Paradigm Premier 800F x 2
Center: Paradigm Premier 600C
Surrounds: 200C x 2
Sub: Paradigm Defiance X12
Cables: Omage 12 Gauge OFC
Bananas: Sewell Silverback
Sub Cable: Syncwire SW-SUB-8M

Should have it all up and running within the week. For now I am running the satellites from the Logitech Z5500 combined with the X12 and after Audyssey XT32/Sub HQ HT it sounds pretty good(exponentially better then with the stock sub and controller/amp). I can't wait to hear the final setup as it will be so, so much better. I will post my thoughts once they are in...



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