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Thx quality in wall 7.2.4..

Has anyone found an in wall speaker these days worth a look? Need some better than onkyo thx 7.1 speakers for my nr3030. I'm interested in adding atmos.

I don't want to be disappointed.

Any recent experiences with in wall appreciated! Tia.

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Yes indeed.

It simply depends on your budget.

You can spend north of $200,000 with say Wisdom Audio or get away with $600 from Micca.

Another consideration is your wall construction.

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Thanks, guys. Looking at many. Want best bang for buck. Looked at monoprice thx, but their support stinks. Next stops are RBH, sonance, speakercraft, triad...

Was hoping to hear real world experiences.
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I wouldn’t look at anything other than Klipsch, Revel, or Kef.

Two of those are actually THX rated, the other is just high quality.

Going with cheap speakers like Micca’s will probably not end up with you being happy with your system as they are pretty much the in wall equivalent of your current speakers.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Thanks, guys. Looking at many. Want best bang for buck. Looked at monoprice thx, but their support stinks. Next stops are RBH, sonance, speakercraft, triad...

Was hoping to hear real world experiences.
What’s the budget?

I listened to the new RBH at CEDIA.

GoldenEar Invisa SPS are very good.

Klipsch, KEF, Revel, Dynaudi, James and Phase Technology are worthy contenders.

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And Totem, if you have the budget.
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Again an in wall can run $100 - $10,000 each or more.

Do you have a pic or a drawing of the space?

Does your Onkyo NR 3030 have preouts to connect an external amp?

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Hey guys, original budget was going to be 3-5k. Something came up and am going to be after highest end budget thx speakers. I'm looking at monoprice at the moment.

I do have pre outs on the nr3030. It's the onkyo big dog of last generation.

The spendy part will now be on 2 subs. In wall would be great, but I'm sure good ones will be through the roof.

Anyone hear monoprice high end units when installed with a decent amp?

Thanks for all the replies, guys.
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Is the 2-3K for all speakers (11) and subs (2)?

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Hey Mmiles, likely gonna do front 3 in wall, 4 ceiling in wall. May use what I have for surrounds. Trying to navigate this as decent as possible with newer limited funds.

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Those monoprice box THX speakers measured really well, would imagine the in-walls are very similar..
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Was hoping. I could build an enclosure for each and use viny dampened matt to keep the sound from escaping. Dunno how much that helps the performance.
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Was hoping. I could build an enclosure for each and use viny dampened matt to keep the sound from escaping. Dunno how much that helps the performance.
I'm not sure how much acoustical benefit if any you would get from a back box, as long as they are already flush mounted to the wall.. look up "infinite baffle".

Sound bleed into other rooms however is an entirely different issue.

Always best to just call the manufacturer of the product once you narrow it down in preparation for install. Building boxes should factor into product cost, ease of use etc, during buying process.
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New budget is $2k, miles.

As for box, I have carpenter connections and can get them made for cheap. I worry about outside wall sounding like a theater. Monoprice is completely worthless at support.

I'm trying to factor in some back or side in wall units. Wondering if their 2 ways will do. Might get more out of the 3 ways with some movies or music.

Found some ultra thin high strand speaker wire for $200. I'm gonna grab it. It's got almost 300 strands per cable.

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Guys, I am also able to get speakercraft aim 5 and definitive technology in wall speakers in the price range. I wonder of these would do better than the monoprice thx in wall speakers.

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I'm not sure how much acoustical benefit if any you would get from a back box, as long as they are already flush mounted to the wall.. look up "infinite baffle".

Sound bleed into other rooms however is an entirely different issue.

Always best to just call the manufacturer of the product once you narrow it down in preparation for install. Building boxes should factor into product cost, ease of use etc, during buying process.
Infinite baffle designs assume a sound blocking baffle. Drywall is not a sound blocking baffle. It is porous to sound and allows sound to bleed through it. If sound can bleed into adjacent rooms, it can also bleed back into the room the speakers are in. Since that sound originates from the backside of the driver, it is, by definition, opposite phase of the front wave which propagates directly into the room. Opposite phase waves cancel each other. Therefore, sound that bleeds back into the listening room from the backside wave can potentially cancel the sound one wants to hear. This is most likely to occur in the longer-wavelength lower frequencies. Using a backbox stops this process. So, there is a distinct acoustic benefit of using backboxes.

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Infinite baffle designs assume a sound blocking baffle. Drywall is not a sound blocking baffle. It is porous to sound and allows sound to bleed through it. If sound can bleed into adjacent rooms, it can also bleed back into the room the speakers are in. Since that sound originates from the backside of the driver, it is, by definition, opposite phase of the front wave which propagates directly into the room. Opposite phase waves cancel each other. Therefore, sound that bleeds back into the listening room from the backside wave can potentially cancel the sound one wants to hear. This is most likely to occur in the longer-wavelength lower frequencies. Using a backbox stops this process. So, there is a distinct acoustic benefit of using backboxes.
Agree on the benefit of a real back box when using in-wall speakers. I used the KEF THX in-walls (linked above in 2nd post) for my surrounds and Atmos speakers, all with boxes made from 1/2" plywood built between the studs. Pictures attached showing boxes in wall/ceiling after insulation was installed and then after painting the walls. Note the speakers come with a clear cover for use during painting - this was huge since we had the theater walls painted by the crew painting the rest of the house and you can see how they got paint all over the covers.

These sound great and integrate really well with the KEF R7's I have for L/C/R. Boxes are strongly advised no matter what brand you go with. BTW, I got these at half price by finding a dealer who wanted them moved from his inventory, so don't count out some models just because of high MSRP.

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Nice pics. Nice insulation, or is the noise stopping variety they make?

I'd make boxes with heavy vinyl noise stopping material placed in or outside with some noise insulation or foam behind the speakers if I went this route.

I will likely make the boxes. I just have to figure out how important size will be since some of these speakers seem to have long throw woofers. I wonder if a port to the living room would improve bass and sound performance.

I know others have said wait for budget again, but, I just want to close everything up and forget about it for a few years.

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One more thing, what do you guys think of installing all side and rear surrounds in the ceiling, only separating them from atmos speakers and aiming them towards the ear at sitting position?

This could make wire running much easier!!

On my last set up, my center was in the ceiling and angled down. It sounded great. Definitive technology makes something in ceiling that appears to be able to act as a center. Researching that now.

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Guys, I am also able to get speakercraft aim 5 and definitive technology in wall speakers in the price range. I wonder of these would do better than the monoprice thx in wall speakers.

These are not very good speakers.

You see people commonly replacing these on the forum.

I would look elsewhere.
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Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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One more thing, what do you guys think of installing all side and rear surrounds in the ceiling, only separating them from atmos speakers and aiming them towards the ear at sitting position?

This could make wire running much easier!!

On my last set up, my center was in the ceiling and angled down. It sounded great. Definitive technology makes something in ceiling that appears to be able to act as a center. Researching that now.

Only one thing can go in the ceiling. Surrounds or Atmos.

Not both.

Otherwise you smear the sound bubble that Atmos is trying to form by putting surround noises also above your head.

Why do you need to do in ceiling center?

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Russ, the screen will be above the fireplace, I will need the area for big screen. Toying with the idea of using wall area left of fireplace which would make center placement less of an issue.

It a large room, so I'm hoping the surrounds would sound ok in the ceiling, but angled at listening positions.

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Though NOT suggested you could do a 5.x.2 and have the RS and LS in the ceiling behind the seating at 100-110’degrees then the front ATMOS at the 40-45 degree angle.

That is as far as I’d push an in ceiling install.

You can buy north of your budget and still land at $2K

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Russ, the screen will be above the fireplace, I will need the area for big screen. Toying with the idea of using wall area left of fireplace which would make center placement less of an issue.

It a large room, so I'm hoping the surrounds would sound ok in the ceiling, but angled at listening positions.

Is the screen not AT so you cannot do an in wall center/LCR?

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Is the screen not AT so you cannot do an in wall center/LCR?
The drop down screeen will cover any center speaker. Otherwise, it would be very low. 120" now, but looking at 140ish in the future. Could just put a enclosed center speaker up top and angle down like my last set up. Heavy and a pain, though. The definitive tech center deal is looking better and better. Look it up, UIW RCS II.

Also looking at the PSB C SUR for the rear side and back surround. I'm thinking with some tunning on the onkyo nr3030, and 8" {atmos} monoprice alpha units, in the middle of the room, adding two of these PSB speakers for the rear surrounds could simplify the install and keep stuff off the walls. I have not played with the self tunning mic much. I'm wondering what something like this could sound like with all the adjustments avail? Room is large and the spacing would be pretty good.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

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So, looks like monoprice in wall thx units. Will grab as many as I can. Still not sure which in ceiling center. Anyone have any feedback on the few I'm looking at? Impossible to get a demo around here.

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Guys, I am also able to get speakercraft aim 5 and definitive technology in wall speakers in the price range. I wonder of these would do better than the monoprice thx in wall speakers.

I have the Speakercraft AIM 7 two's in ceiling and Dayton in wall. The Speakercraft are ok but seem to have a slight sound/resonance in the mids compared to the Dayton's. In use you'd never know as they all sound good. If I knew about the Dayton's earlier I would have got those for the ceiling to save a buck. I really like the Dayton's because they have a clean non offensive sound to me. I'm not a horn/ribbon person but more of a soft dome. I have these hooked to a Denon 6400H.



Here's a link to the in walls: https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-439


Here's the in ceiling I would get to match: https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-434
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