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So I'm looking for a little help. On my system I have the cross-over set to 50 Hz. When I play Demons by Imagine Dragons, I get severe low frequency distortion from the left front speaker only, no matter what the volume is set at. Additionally this happens whether I am playing through iTunes, Spotify, etc.

I really don't want to destroy a driver.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks,

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Almost sounds like a bad driver. Couple of things...
1) is the speaker set to small in the AVR?
2) if you switch the left channel speaker wires to the
Right speaker does the distortion also play in the
Right speaker? ( would indicate issue with source)
Or AVR!
3) have you tried different xover settings? 60,70 or 80hz?
4) the studio 100's have 3 bass drivers. Play the song and
Listen for distortion coming from 1 individual driver (or 2)
If you hear distortion from all 3 drivers it maybe a faulty
Crossover!

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So I'm looking for a little help. On my system I have the cross-over set to 50 Hz. When I play Demons by Imagine Dragons, I get severe low frequency distortion from the left front speaker only, no matter what the volume is set at. Additionally this happens whether I am playing through iTunes, Spotify, etc.

I really don't want to destroy a driver.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike
If I were you, I'd see if I could replicate the distortion that you're hearing with different source material. The Imagine Dragons album is very poorly recorded. The sound quality is complete *****e, and the better the system that you try to play it on, the more thoroughly its flaws are revealed. Everything is severely clipped. It's too bad because I like their music, but the quality of the recording is so terrible that I can't listen to it on my system. It's tolerable on a cheap pair of earbuds, but that's about it.

So, if you cannot replicate the distortion with different source material, then I'd say the recording is the culprit, not your speaker.

Maybe you do have an issue with your speaker, but you can't know for sure until you eliminate the source material as a possible cause of the distortion.
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So I'm really enjoying my Monitor 11 speakers, and listening to them in stereo mode for music. Do you all think it would be worth adding a stereo power amp to run these, or is my Onkyo TX-NR709 more than sufficient?
Add a high powered sub like a Hsu. You won't believe how much they improve the sound of even tower speakers.

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Add a high powered sub like a Hsu. You won't believe how much they improve the sound of even tower speakers.
Thanks. That's actually what I'm hoping to do down the line. I have a Hsu with my upstairs system and it's awesome.
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Hey everyone. I just got a great deal on a pair of Monitor 11 v6. Anyone have a CC-390 they want to get rid of?
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Hello everyone. I am not sure why but I can't seem to start a new topic, so I am sorry but going to leech on this one. Does anyone know of a source to get replacement drivers or driver repair for older Paradigm products? I am looking for Part# 2010500634. It is the mid driver for a studio 60 v3. Thanks!
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Hello everyone. I am not sure why but I can't seem to start a new topic, so I am sorry but going to leech on this one. Does anyone know of a source to get replacement drivers or driver repair for older Paradigm products? I am looking for Part# 2010500634. It is the mid driver for a studio 60 v3. Thanks!
Sometimes if you keep an eye out on Ebay
You can find things like that.

Does Paradigm not carry them any more?
Maybe a mid-driver from V4?
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Contact Paradigm or check with a Paradigm dealer. I was able to get 2 replacement drivers for an old set of 11SE MKII towers through a local Paradigm dealer here. They had a repair / service center in their place. The repair guy checked with Paradigm and ordered the drivers for me.

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Question for CC-690 owners:

I'm going to install a HT system with Studio 100s and CC-690 this week. I can't find a suitable stand for the CC-690 that is rated for its weight and is not priced beyond $150. One idea is to use a pair of discrete stands instead. Will that work? Any recommendations on stands?

Would these be suitable?
- http://www.amazon.com/Pangea-Audio-H.../dp/B003Q9UWNC
- http://www.wayfair.com/Bello-Heavy-D...00-BB1131.html
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Question for CC-690 owners:

I'm going to install a HT system with Studio 100s and CC-690 this week. I can't find a suitable stand for the CC-690 that is rated for its weight and is not priced beyond $150. One idea is to use a pair of discrete stands instead. Will that work? Any recommendations on stands?

Would these be suitable?
- http://www.amazon.com/Pangea-Audio-H.../dp/B003Q9UWNC
- http://www.wayfair.com/Bello-Heavy-D...00-BB1131.html
Try a pair of these and put rubberized kitchen matting on the top plate, so the CC-690 can't slip:

http://www.wayfair.com/VTI-RF-Series...FC-VI1048.html

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Question for CC-690 owners:

I'm going to install a HT system with Studio 100s and CC-690 this week. I can't find a suitable stand for the CC-690 that is rated for its weight and is not priced beyond $150. One idea is to use a pair of discrete stands instead. Will that work? Any recommendations on stands?

Would these be suitable?
- http://www.amazon.com/Pangea-Audio-H.../dp/B003Q9UWNC
- http://www.wayfair.com/Bello-Heavy-D...00-BB1131.html
If I were to go that route i would definitely use more than just 2, maybe 3 kinda like a tripod or even 4 of them.

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Try a pair of these and put rubberized kitchen matting on the top plate, so the CC-690 can't slip:

http://www.wayfair.com/VTI-RF-Series...FC-VI1048.html
Thanks Dan! I like your idea. I've ordered one of these. Once I get both the speaker and stand, I'll try them out and order one more later this week.
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Thanks Dan! I like your idea. I've ordered one of these. Once I get both the speaker and stand, I'll try them out and order one more later this week.
No problem! I hope they work for you. Let us know how it goes!

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Paradigms studio 100 vs BW CM 10

Hello guys ,I have been following this thread for quite some time and auditioned the studio 100 speakers yesterday at a dealer.I also auditioned the BW CM 100 speakers and felt that the CM 100 felt Better ,they just felt more clear and those tweeters seemed to make a big difference .Now i find that most review sites rate the paradigms higher.Was the test wrong or am I hearing wrong.Has anyone had a chance to test them before.I would appreciate some advice here.Thanks in advance.
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Hello guys ,I have been following this thread for quite some time and auditioned the studio 100 speakers yesterday at a dealer.I also auditioned the BW CM 100 speakers and felt that the CM 100 felt Better ,they just felt more clear and those tweeters seemed to make a big difference .Now i find that most review sites rate the paradigms higher.Was the test wrong or am I hearing wrong.Has anyone had a chance to test them before.I would appreciate some advice here.Thanks in advance.
Was the listening test done in the same room
With the same amp and the same source?

In order to be fair to yourself it would have to be.
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Was the listening test done in the same room
With the same amp and the same source?

In order to be fair to yourself it would have to be.
Yes the studio 100 and the CM 10 were driven by the same equipment.He had actually wheeled in the studios on request.They were the same songs.I mean both of them were good but the BW set def had more clarity and definition to each instrument .I tested the diamond 803 D too but on a classe amp.They were an improvement as expected but not 6k better.I am just confused right now.I went in almost certain to place a order on the paradigms but came out impressed with the BW.The CM 9 in comparison fell short of the badge of BW. That tweeter on the top made such a big difference on the Cm 10's.


Excuse my error I meant CM10 not CM 100 in the original post.
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Yes the studio 100 and the CM 10 were driven by the same equipment.He had actually wheeled in the studios on request.They were the same songs.I mean both of them were good but the BW set def had more clarity and definition to each instrument .I tested the diamond 803 D too but on a classe amp.They were an improvement as expected but not 6k better.I am just confused right now.I went in almost certain to place a order on the paradigms but came out impressed with the BW.The CM 9 in comparison fell short of the badge of BW. That tweeter on the top made such a big difference on the Cm 10's.


Excuse my error I meant CM10 not CM 100 in the original post.
I'm a big Paradigm fan, but I can also acknowledge that
B&W makes some good speakers. I've heard some of the
CM line and they sounded good to me.

We all hear things differently and you have clearly expressed
A preference for the CM10... So far so good....
BUT, (you had to know that was coming) the next step
In making sure you are getting the right speakers is to
Somehow try and audition both speakers in your room
And on your equipment!!! Then and only then will you
Really know for sure.

Your probably looking at a $3K to$4K cost for
Either set. Do it right so you have no regrets
Later!

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There's no right or wrong, except what sounds best to you. Just do enough auditioning to determine what sounds best to you and then go with it.
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Thanks! I must say that I had little control over the entire auditioning process apart from requesting to hear different speakers he had.He seemed to have played some songs with strong female vocals and instrument heavy songs.I enjoyed Sarah Mclachlan's vocals the best on both.For a moment I sat down and closed my eyes and felt that with the CM10's , I was sitting right there in a live concert.They felt almost surreal .

I would certainly go and audition them one more time before the purchase.Any tips for making the next audition better?
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Thanks! I must say that I had little control over the entire auditioning process apart from requesting to hear different speakers he had.He seemed to have played some songs with strong female vocals and instrument heavy songs.I enjoyed Sarah Mclachlan's vocals the best on both.For a moment I sat down and closed my eyes and felt that with the CM10's , I was sitting right there in a live concert.They felt almost surreal .

I would certainly go and audition them one more time before the purchase.Any tips for making the next audition better?

Next time you go make sure you bring your own music. Some speakers sound better with certain genres or their strengths over other models are more obvious with certain music. If what you typically listen to sounds just as good on the cheaper speaker A than the more expensive speaker B save your money.


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Thanks! I must say that I had little control over the entire auditioning process apart from requesting to hear different speakers he had.He seemed to have played some songs with strong female vocals and instrument heavy songs.I enjoyed Sarah Mclachlan's vocals the best on both.For a moment I sat down and closed my eyes and felt that with the CM10's , I was sitting right there in a live concert.They felt almost surreal .

I would certainly go and audition them one more time before the purchase.Any tips for making the next audition better?
As already stated, always take your own music. I made a mixed cd of various genres that I take to audition speakers.
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I figure this would be the best place to ask my question, im contemplating purchasing Studio 100's and cc690 for my fronts and center.
Ive heard the 100's compared to others and really liked them.
My only concern is about one complaint that i have read here and there about the speakers, and i will try to explain as best i can.
ive read some people say that at loud levels (im guessing normal loud levels, not super loud), they end up getting annoyed at the harshness, and from what i understood can give them a headache, compared to other speakers that are more neutral.

i know this is all relevant to the person listening obviously. for the 10-15 minutes of listening to them, there is no way i can feel that , its over a 2 hour + period this can be tested.

so basically, i just want to know , for studio 100 owners, when watching movies at a decently loud level, do you have anything negative to say about the experience?
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I figure this would be the best place to ask my question, im contemplating purchasing Studio 100's and cc690 for my fronts and center.
Ive heard the 100's compared to others and really liked them.
My only concern is about one complaint that i have read here and there about the speakers, and i will try to explain as best i can.
ive read some people say that at loud levels (im guessing normal loud levels, not super loud), they end up getting annoyed at the harshness, and from what i understood can give them a headache, compared to other speakers that are more neutral.

i know this is all relevant to the person listening obviously. for the 10-15 minutes of listening to them, there is no way i can feel that , its over a 2 hour + period this can be tested.

so basically, i just want to know , for studio 100 owners, when watching movies at a decently loud level, do you have anything negative to say about the experience?
Uh, nope. I would, however, if I listened to their new Prestige line for two hours. Gaaah!! The high and mid range frequencies are really harsh due to the new aluminum drivers. I will say this: you should have one good subwoofer (or more) take up the low bass slack. That's really what you should do with any speaker system, even the best.

Do you have any thoughts that you might do an acoustically transparent screen and projector setup? If so, get three 100's rather than the CC690.

Are you going to be rounding out the surrounds with other Studio speakers? After all, this is the last hurrah for the Studio line. Strike while they still have stock to sell and complete your system. If you're going to upgrade to Atmos or any of the other immersive surround formats, don't use ADP surrounds. Dipoles are not recommended.

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Uh, nope. I would, however, if I listened to their new Prestige line for two hours. Gaaah!! The high and mid range frequencies are really harsh due to the new aluminum drivers. I will say this: you should have one good subwoofer (or more) take up the low bass slack. That's really what you should do with any speaker system, even the best.

Do you have any thoughts that you might do an acoustically transparent screen and projector setup? If so, get three 100's rather than the CC690.

Are you going to be rounding out the surrounds with other Studio speakers? After all, this is the last hurrah for the Studio line. Strike while they still have stock to sell and complete your system. If you're going to upgrade to Atmos or any of the other immersive surround formats, don't use ADP surrounds. Dipoles are not recommended.
definitely have a sub.

i maybe might get a projector in the future though, who knows when, but i think i would get a stand at that point for the 690 so that it falls under the screen, would need to calculate that.

very good point about the surrounds, i hadnt thought of that, it will be very tight to buy the whole 7.1 package though.
for atmos, i would get 4 x SA-15R-30, hopefully they are still around?
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definitely have a sub.

i maybe might get a projector in the future though, who knows when, but i think i would get a stand at that point for the 690 so that it falls under the screen, would need to calculate that.

very good point about the surrounds, i hadnt thought of that, it will be very tight to buy the whole 7.1 package though.
for atmos, i would get 4 x SA-15R-30, hopefully they are still around?
How big a room do you have? How high is the ceiling? Dedicated, closed-in space? You might be able to get away with two or three Studio 60's. It just depends. If the room is long enough, an acoustically transparent screen might be doable (they're cheaper than you might think) and then you definitely would want three of the same vertical oriented speakers.

The SA-15R-30's might be good for ceiling surrounds, though they may not be robust enough except for ambient music in a bedroom (top locations can get just as much frequency information as the side and rear surrounds). I would have to think about the main level surrounds more too. Depends on your budget and whether Studio in-wall's (SA-30 or SA-35) would work in your particular system (I don't know the aesthetic you're going for and how permanent you want this installation).

Some people buy the Studio 20's for their side and rear surrounds if they aren't interested in cutting holes or putting in-walls in columns, etc.

Another possible brand to look at is Triad and their Silver or Gold line. Priced in the same ballpark as the Paradigm Studio line with a lot more timbre matched options to choose from (in-room, in-wall, in-ceiling, on-ceiling, etc.). All their in-wall's and in-ceiling's have backer boxes. It's like you're installing an in-room version in the wall or ceiling - that's why each model line all sound the same no matter the design application and can be mixed and matched easily. The high frequencies tend to run a little more "tame" or "laid back" since they use high end, high dynamic range soft dome tweeters rather than full metal... I've debated about going to Triad's for my next speaker upgrade. Dolby Labs used Triad's in their Atmos demos at CEDIA. They sounded fantastic... even given the fact they were really cranking the Bronze line in a room way too large for those speakers.

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How big a room do you have? How high is the ceiling? Dedicated, closed-in space? You might be able to get away with two or three Studio 60's. It just depends. If the room is long enough, an acoustically transparent screen might be doable (they're cheaper than you might think) and then you definitely would want three of the same vertical oriented speakers.

The SA-15R-30's might be good for ceiling surrounds, though they may not be robust enough except for ambient music in a bedroom (top locations can get just as much frequency information as the side and rear surrounds). I would have to think about the main level surrounds more too. Depends on your budget and whether Studio in-wall's (SA-30 or SA-35) would work in your particular system (I don't know the aesthetic you're going for and how permanent you want this installation).

Some people buy the Studio 20's for their side and rear surrounds if they aren't interested in cutting holes or putting in-walls in columns, etc.

Another possible brand to look at is Triad and their Silver or Gold line. Priced in the same ballpark as the Paradigm Studio line with a lot more timbre matched options to choose from (in-room, in-wall, in-ceiling, on-ceiling, etc.). All their in-wall's and in-ceiling's have backer boxes. It's like you're installing an in-room version in the wall or ceiling - that's why each model line all sound the same no matter the design application and can be mixed and matched easily. The high frequencies tend to run a little more "tame" or "laid back" since they use high end, high dynamic range soft dome tweeters rather than full metal... I've debated about going to Triad's for my next speaker upgrade. Dolby Labs used Triad's in their Atmos demos at CEDIA. They sounded fantastic... even given the fact they were really cranking the Bronze line in a room way too large for those speakers.
the room will be 14 w x 19 l x 8 h, dedicated closed space.

for the ceiling speakers, this would be 4 for atmos (at a later date, wont have the budget for it now, but will pass the cabling for it)
from what i undertood, the sa-15r-30's are ideal because of their 30 degree angle, not sure if the ones you mentioned sa-30 and 35 are wide dispersion speakers. this is for a home theater room in the basement, not a bedroom.

you raise a good point about the studio 20's, i guess they are a better match for the 100 and 690. unless i go studio 60, 590 and 10's (save some money)

for the triads, thanks for the suggestion, their ceiling speakers look amazing, however, aesthetically, im not too crazy about the LCR speakers, i still need to audition a few more speakers before making my final decision. PSB imagine, monitor audio, hopefully Salk speakers (if they can find me someone local to audition), GE, and maybe 1 or 2 others.
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you raise a good point about the studio 20's, i guess they are a better match for the 100 and 690. unless i go studio 60, 590 and 10's (save some money)
Save money by going to 60s (if you have one or more subs, the lower-frequency advantage of the 100s is moot) and 10s.


Do not skimp on the 690 - it's an awesome CC speaker and, IMO, much better-sounding than the 590. (I've had both in my set-up.)
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Save money by going to 60s (if you have one or more subs, the lower-frequency advantage of the 100s is moot) and 10s.


Do not skimp on the 690 - it's an awesome CC speaker and, IMO, much better-sounding than the 590. (I've had both in my set-up.)
here is the weird thing, every dealer or shop i go to and mention the possibility of getting the 60's with the 690, they look at me as if i committed a crime.
and these are sales people, if anything they would want me to purchase the more expensive product, they tell me that its overkill.
but again, everywhere i read online, everyone says to get the 690's

only reason i would go with the 100's, 1 - they sounded slightly better (not sure they justify the price difference though) 2- they look bada**
it depends if i can get a good deal for them though, you never know,

question is, would the 10's not be suited for the 100's and 690 then?
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