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Hey guys, in regards to painting the grills on the in ceiling speakers, how did you guys do it? I was thinking spray paint. How do you avoid the holes on the grills being covered by paint?

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It is very time consuming with a brush so I got an airbrush kit and it worked very well.


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SOMEBODY buy a set of premiere towers already, and report back asap would ya !
to heck with all this paint talk!

just kidding of course , about the paint thing anyways
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Curious, how small is the prestige 75?

Would it be sufficient for a 22 feet by 18 feet room? I am considering the 85. 95 seems too big and slightly out of my budget.

And is it noticeably better than the Studio line? Thanks.
I own Paradigm Studio 60 v4. I went to audition Prestige 75 at someone's house. He had a powerful 5 channel amp driving them, but they didn't sound as good as my 60's, albeit without direct A/B comparison. The bass was lacking, midrange didn't seem as clear. Listened with several CDs with which I'm quite familiar. The 85s are pricey, the 95s more so. Occasionally these pop up used/demo on eBay & US Audio Mart.
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Curious, how small is the prestige 75?

Would it be sufficient for a 22 feet by 18 feet room? I am considering the 85. 95 seems too big and slightly out of my budget.

And is it noticeably better than the Studio line? Thanks.

The 85F is often considered or mentioned to be the "sweet spot" in the line up. The 75F can play loudly is that's what you're worried about, but you will get better performance overall out of the 85F. With subs, no need for 95F that does start to feel big. I've got 85Fs in a 13' x 16' room, and was first concerned that they would feel too big - they don't, they are just right, so the 95Fs in your space might be similar, and you might wonder if the 85Fs are too small! Just a visual thing, really....

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The 85F is often considered or mentioned to be the "sweet spot" in the line up. The 75F can play loudly is that's what you're worried about, but you will get better performance overall out of the 85F. With subs, no need for 95F that does start to feel big. I've got 85Fs in a 13' x 16' room, and was first concerned that they would feel too big - they don't, they are just right, so the 95Fs in your space might be similar, and you might wonder if the 85Fs are too small! Just a visual thing, really....
Well larger drivers will almost give you a wider soundstage. I hooked up my Signatures S2 V3 in my living room once, while the sound quality is what you expect from that lineup, the soundstage was too narrow and felt isolated. Then when I put my vintage floorstanding speakers with 12" drivers back where they belong, it filled the room with sound all easy.

I was considering the 75F to replace my big old floorstanding speakers, but this confirms my concerns about providing good wide soundstage and yeah I must step it up to the 85F or buy a used Studio 100 V5 speakers instead.
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Ahh, I see why the new surrounds aren't in any of the literature or photos - they're not branded Premier. They're calling them simply Paradigm Surround 1 and 3. 3 here, https://www.paradigm.com/premier/spe...igm-surround-3 and 1 here, https://www.paradigm.com/premier/spe...igm-surround-1

I can see why they didn't label them 'Premier' - the dimensions are completely identical to the Monitor Surround v7 1/3, and specs are almost the same as well. They claim slightly better low end extension and 'X-PAL' instead of 'S-PAL,' but the frequency range specs are the same. Sensitivity is also quoted 1dB higher on the updated Surround 1. That's it, everything else the same. I think my ADP-390 v6s will be staying in place, or upgraded to Prestige 25S if anything.
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Looks like the Premeir line is now available direct from Paradigm.com.
Saw the 'buy now' buttons!

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Curious, how small is the prestige 75?

Would it be sufficient for a 22 feet by 18 feet room? I am considering the 85. 95 seems too big and slightly out of my budget.

And is it noticeably better than the Studio line? Thanks.
I think 75F would be sufficient for your 22 x 18 room. But if you can, go with the 85 to be safe. I have the Prestige 75F for over a year now and I think I have optimize the sound to a point that I really like it now with change in amplifier, cables and CD player over the last year.

It is all dependent on the room set up, the source and amplification. Prior to settling down with the 75F, I also auditioned the Tannoy Revolution XT8F (equivalent to the 85F) and 85F in my home. In the pictures, you see that my system is in the main living room (20 ft by 16 ft) with the hardwood floors, high ceiling in a open floor plan. Bass is tight and midrange is clear.

My wife didn't want the speakers to be the focal point of the living room, thus we went with the smallest speakers possible that would do the job. I tried the speakers in my media room which is closed ceiling, smaller and carpeted, the bass seem a little muted. Like I said, I think the amplifier (Job 225 amplifier and Job Pre2 control amp) and the room are key contributing factors.
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SOMEBODY buy a set of premiere towers already, and report back asap would ya !
to heck with all this paint talk!

just kidding of course , about the paint thing anyways
Purchased today, espresso version, unbelievable price for the 800f. Local dealer was having a private sale, which I always felt was just a gimmick. It was not a gimmick as I had not intention of buying towers today... Not sure when I am going to hook them up as I have some work issues for the next little bit, but boy are they are ever gorgeous...
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Purchased today, espresso version, unbelievable price for the 800f. Local dealer was having a private sale, which I always felt was just a gimmick. It was not a gimmick as I had not intention of buying towers today... Not sure when I am going to hook them up as I have some work issues for the next little bit, but boy are they are ever gorgeous...
I like to see pictures with and without the grills, and your thoughts on how they sound like. I'm really considering getting these over the Prestige 75F if I can demo them or hear what others say about these speakers.

So Paradigm considers the Premier Series as part of the reference collection.
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I like to see pictures with and without the grills, and your thoughts on how they sound like. I'm really considering getting these over the Prestige 75F if I can demo them or hear what others say about these speakers.
Will try if I can find some time to open them. We are also moving soon, so if I don't have a chance my apologies.

Some information though I can share, as a Paradigm representative was there today as part of this sale. And they had some 75f available at the store as well, and his recommendation was that the new Premier line has a lot of technology in them that his recommendation would be fore those instead of the prestige at this time. He mentioned that the Prestige are getting near the point of moving to a v2 version where the difference will go back to being worth the additional cost, but in their double blind testing in Missassauga, he was blown away by the Premier. Just his two cents. They also only had the Cherry in stock, so from my point of view, these were by far the nice looker of the two sets.
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Will try if I can find some time to open them. We are also moving soon, so if I don't have a chance my apologies.

Some information though I can share, as a Paradigm representative was there today as part of this sale. And they had some 75f available at the store as well, and his recommendation was that the new Premier line has a lot of technology in them that his recommendation would be fore those instead of the prestige at this time. He mentioned that the Prestige are getting near the point of moving to a v2 version where the difference will go back to being worth the additional cost, but in their double blind testing in Missassauga, he was blown away by the Premier. Just his two cents. They also only had the Cherry in stock, so from my point of view, these were by far the nice looker of the two sets.
Interesting, so a V2 might be reveal anytime soon. Did you get a chance to listen to the Premier 800F before you bought them? So the Cherry finished, was that for the Prestige or the Premier? I don't see a Cherry finished for the Premier on their site.
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Interesting, so a V2 might be reveal anytime soon. Did you get a chance to listen to the Premier 800F before you bought them? So the Cherry finished, was that for the Prestige or the Premier? I don't see a Cherry finished for the Premier on their site.
He mentioned that it was getting around that time for v2 of the prestige but did not hint at a timeline at all.

Very limited listening in the store, as there was just too many people in for the event for it to be worthwhile from my perspective. Need to find the time shortly to put them through their paces for sure.

Apologies for the confusion I caused, but the cherry speakers were the Prestige 75F they had on the floor.

I am upgrading from monitor 9, v6s I believe off the top of my head although they may be v5s. They had killer deals on the monitor 9, v7s as well, but he mentioned the 800f would behave more like the good old monitor 11s for bass extension. Honestly, I just preferred the looks to the monitor v7s and if they don't pass the ear test, I will just swap them out.
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Nice! They do look great! I wish the finished wasn't that dark, but still prefer it over the regular black or white. So What speaker is next to it?

Once you break them in, tell us how they sound.
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Nice! They do look great! I wish the finished wasn't that dark, but still prefer it over the regular black or white. So What speaker is next to it?

Once you break them in, tell us how they sound.
They are more gray then the photo is showing but the llghting in the theater is non existent on purpose.

Will do regarding the report back after break in. I really love the extra bass with them so far.

For comparison, those are Monitor 7s next to them.

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Going by the specs it looks like the Premier line is meant to be used with subwoofers. The new Monitor SE line and Prestige line have better bass output. The Prestige 15B’s go down to 57hz +/-2db, the equivalent size Premier 100B’s are 84hz +/-2db. The smallest prestige towers(75F) are rated down to 44hz and the largest Premier towers(800F) are only at 50hz.

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Hello guys,

I just picked up some Paradigms for auditioning, but wanted to get some more info and opinions and I would greatly appreciate if you share your experience, especially since you are Paradigm owners. I have started a separate thread, so sorry for the kinda duplicate opinion.

So I picked up:

Paradigm 11v7

And before the end of the week I will be picking up for an audition:

Paradigm 3v7 Center
Paradigm Atom Monitor v7 (for surrounds)

So far I really like what I am hearing from the 11v7s, but the thins is - they are a bit over my budget. I can buy them, but I would break the bank quite a lot. They would cost me 850 for the pair + 520 Euro more for the center + surrounds. So I am considering other options, but I have to decide if I am buying the Paradigms or not till the end of next week.

How would you guys say this Paradigm setup would compare to a Dali Zensor 7 + Zensor Vokal + Zensor 1? The Dali bundle would cost me around 900 Euro in total, maybe even 120 Euro less if I get a second hand (but still in warranty) Zensor 7s.

I can also get a decent deal on Q Acoustics 3050 + 3090c which would cost me around 680 Euros + some more cash for surrounds.

My main usage would be 50% for Movies and Games and 50% for music, but still - I am more picky when it comes to my music sound. The setup will be powered with a Denon X2000, which I would look to upgrade soon to a HDCP 2.2 AVR, prob. X2400. Current sub is an old Yamaha YST-SW315, which would the weak link, but I am not sure when I would be able to upgrade.

Overall would you say the Paradigms would be a higher grade setup, worth the extra buck? Currently I am running a setup of Acoustic Energy Neo 3 fronts + Acoustic Energy Aegis Neo center + JBL E20 surrounds, so I guess any of the mentioned 3 scenrios would be a decent upgrade. Or not?

Any advice would be most welcome, so thank you in advance.

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So far I really like what I am hearing from the 11v7s, but the thins is - they are a bit over my budget. I can buy them, but I would break the bank quite a lot. They would cost me 850 for the pair + 520 Euro more for the center + surrounds. So I am considering other options, but I have to decide if I am buying the Paradigms or not till the end of next week.
850 Euro for the pair?? That sounds kinda high, maybe ask if the dealer can offer you any discount since the speakers are discontinued? Worst they can say is no..


Besides that, consider picking up the fronts now, and the center/surrounds later? Have you also looked at the Monitor SE series? It might be a little cheaper, should also sound a little better.

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I really love the extra bass with them so far.
Interesting. Would you say they have more (meaning louder, more impactful) bass than the Prestige series? Or better yet: how do you believe they compare to the Prestige series in general? I'm thinking about a pair of Premier 800Fs or Revel Concerta2 F36s, but there aren't any places nearby that have the Premier series available to listen to. In my opinion, just like the Audioholics review of the Prestige 75F, bass impact leaves a little to be desired on a $3,000 pair of speakers, but the tweeter is something special. I was thinking that if the Premier series comes close to the sound of the Prestige, they could be would be worth getting over the Revel F36s. I'm especially interested in how the deeply set tweeters affect the sound.

By the way, nice pictures of the Premier towers.
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Curious, how small is the prestige 75?

Would it be sufficient for a 22 feet by 18 feet room? I am considering the 85. 95 seems too big and slightly out of my budget.

And is it noticeably better than the Studio line? Thanks.
I have the 85F's in a 11.5' X 13' room and they are fine. Your room is PERFECT for those!

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Besides that, consider picking up the fronts now, and the center/surrounds later? Have you also looked at the Monitor SE series? It might be a little cheaper, should also sound a little better.

I personally think the Monitor Series 7 sounds pretty good. Is it a fact the new Monitor SE series "sound a little better" or will that still boil down to preference or personal taste?
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I personally think the Monitor Series 7 sounds pretty good. Is it a fact the new Monitor SE series "sound a little better" or will that still boil down to preference or personal taste?
Hell, this is ALL a matter of personal taste. That said, I own both Atom Monitor v7 and Monitor SE Atom, and I think the Monitor SE Atom sounds better by a good amount. It goes deeper, and the highs sound less veiled.

edit: I put some measurements and impressions here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l#post56026068

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Hell, this is ALL a matter of personal taste. That said, I own both Atom Monitor v7 and Monitor SE Atom, and I think the Monitor SE Atom sounds better by a good amount. It goes deeper, and the highs sound less veiled.

edit: I put some measurements and impressions here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l#post56026068
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Hell, this is ALL a matter of personal taste. That said, I own both Atom Monitor v7 and Monitor SE Atom, and I think the Monitor SE Atom sounds better by a good amount. It goes deeper, and the highs sound less veiled.

edit: I put some measurements and impressions here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l#post56026068
Ah now I remember... Forgot that was you who posted that--Nice work by the way. I wonder though since Paradigm seemed to have changed their design approach with the Monitor series, if that's part of why you measured at least the Atom as being much better. What I mean is, previously the Monitor line had 3 distinct driver types and now they just are using 2. Monitors 1 to 6 had Titanium tweeters, Some sort of polymer midrange and some sort of carbon or mineral infused polypropylene bass driver. With regard to the Atoms, previous version used the midrange driver of that particular series as the bass driver in a 2-way configuration. For Series 7, they used S-PAL for mids in the 3-way designs and the bass in the bookshelf like the Atom. So now the Atom SE just simply uses the same mineral-filled polypropylene cone for both mid and bass in either the 3-way towers or the 2-way center and bookshelf Atoms. I know that's a bit long worded, but I hope you understand what I mean.

The poster from Europe was referring to Monitor 11 V7 towers (which I have owned before)... I guess it's preference, opinion or perspective here: but I feel if 2 channel music listening is a factor, then on some level I want to believe the Monitor 11 V7 would perform better since it plays lower than the SE 6000F. The Monitor 11 V7 has a low frequency extension listed as "30 Hz (DIN)" whereas the SE 6000F lists "49 Hz (DIN)". If you have a subwoofer, I suppose it doesn't matter much for movies though. While it sounds like the SE Atoms go deeper than the V7 Atoms, it should be fair to think the Monitor 11V7 go deeper than the SE 6000F. As for the highs sounding less veiled, probably due to the new tweeters. But I was also thinking maybe older Paradigms have a more laid back sound whereas nowadays they are more forward sounding. Not saying the Monitor SE line won't be an improvement, just sharing my thoughts as a Paradigm fan.
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You make some good points, it'll all come down to preference. With no sub, I agree, Monitor 11 is probably the way to go. For everyone else, I think the Monitor SE is the way to go, even though it 'only' has 5.5" drivers. Heck, personally, for anything but non-bass-heavy 2-channel music, I'd opt for a pair of the Atom SE with a decent sub over the Monitor 11 v7 for the same money.

I'll say the bass on the Mini Monitor v6 was strong enough with low volume music that I had to double check that the sub was off! That was pretty impressive. I knew the sub was off for sure when I got the Atom SE up on the stand to test, so it didn't have that same effect, but measured output down low was very similar. I didn't expect that much bass from the small woofer. I need to go demo the 6000F (and Premier 800F) soon
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You make some good points, it'll all come down to preference. With no sub, I agree, Monitor 11 is probably the way to go. For everyone else, I think the Monitor SE is the way to go, even though it 'only' has 5.5" drivers. Heck, personally, for anything but non-bass-heavy 2-channel music, I'd opt for a pair of the Atom SE with a decent sub over the Monitor 11 v7 for the same money.

I'll say the bass on the Mini Monitor v6 was strong enough with low volume music that I had to double check that the sub was off! That was pretty impressive. I knew the sub was off for sure when I got the Atom SE up on the stand to test, so it didn't have that same effect, but measured output down low was very similar. I didn't expect that much bass from the small woofer. I need to go demo the 6000F (and Premier 800F) soon

My preference has always leaned towards towers rather than bookshelves on stands for both music and movies. I've had Monitor 7 v1, Monitor 9 v6 and Monitor 11 v7 towers while also having a subwoofer. To my ears, the music just didn't sound full enough until I got to the Monitor 11 v7. The Monitor 9 v6 sounded really good, but to me was still missing a litte low end umph to me and it lists a low frequency extension as "39 Hz (DIN)". I'm sure the 6000F towers will probably sound pretty good though. Currently I own Studio 100 v4 towers, so I'm curious if the new premier series will effectively take the place of the Studio line since the Prestige line wasn't really a successor to the Studio line...
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My preference has always leaned towards towers rather than bookshelves on stands for both music and movies. I've had Monitor 7 v1, Monitor 9 v6 and Monitor 11 v7 towers while also having a subwoofer. To my ears, the music just didn't sound full enough until I got to the Monitor 11 v7. The Monitor 9 v6 sounded really good, but to me was still missing a litte low end umph to me and it lists a low frequency extension as "39 Hz (DIN)". I'm sure the 6000F towers will probably sound pretty good though. Currently I own Studio 100 v4 towers, so I'm curious if the new premier series will effectively take the place of the Studio line since the Prestige line wasn't really a successor to the Studio line...
Oh, those are fightin' words - I went from Monitor 9 v6 to 85F and couldn't be happier. I heard some Studios in the interim, and they weren't my cup of tea.
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Oh, those are fightin' words - I went from Monitor 9 v6 to 85F and couldn't be happier. I heard some Studios in the interim, and they weren't my cup of tea.

Lol, I think you're taking what I said out of context. Prior to the Prestige line (and eventually Persona), after the Monitor line Paradigm had the Studio and Signature lines. They dropped both Studio and Signature and the Prestiges as far as Paradigm pecking order was concerned seemed like it took the place of both Studio and Signature (meaning better than Studio but not as good as Signature). I've heard from people that the Prestige line is "forward" sounding which based on your "veiled" comment before makes sense to me that is your preference. In listening to Paradigms through the years, I've always liked how they've generally had a laid back sound and to me the Studio line exemplified that--so I can see why perhaps they weren't your cup of tea. As for the Monitor to line, to me the Series 7 was the most forward sounding (still laid back though) up until this new SE series....

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Hah, I was just kidding.. I liked the Monitor 9s, but they felt a little 'hot' in the highs, The Prestige tweeter seems more detailed and also more laid back imho. I'll have to measure them some time and see if they have the same ~8-10k hump I saw on the other lines. I'd like to measure a Studio some time as well, don't spose you're in Connecticut..
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Hah, I was just kidding.. I liked the Monitor 9s, but they felt a little 'hot' in the highs, The Prestige tweeter seems more detailed and also more laid back imho. I'll have to measure them some time and see if they have the same ~8-10k hump I saw on the other lines. I'd like to measure a Studio some time as well, don't spose you're in Connecticut..

Sorry for the run-ons, but I noticed I mistyped and meant the to me the Monitor 7 was the most forward sounding in my experience up until now it appears the new SE line exceeds. Everyone's perception is different of course and I havent't actually listened to the Prestige line yet. My comments on forward sounding is based on when I asked someone in the past their thoughts on Studio vs Prestige and that was the response I got with the Prestiges sounding more forward while Studio sounding more laid back. Also to me the Titanium tweeters did sound more hot in the highs from the earlier Monitor lines...
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