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Like someone who just brought home 2 new ones today?
now we talkin !
gonna be awsome im sure.
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Like someone who just brought home 2 new ones today?
Congratulations on the new speakers! Take your time and give them a good workout. Try various positions, distances, toe-in/out, sources, etc, before reporting back.

They should be really good.

Related topic: I wonder with the recent "exchange of ideas on international commerce" between a couple of North American leaders will have any effect on pricing here in the US for a Canada-made product like that.
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somebody do a review of the premiere series already!
Looks like that might be coming soon......

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Had mine for a few weeks now. On the fence as of yet. Center channel performance is fantastic. Two channel is not my favorite compared to the numerous other speakers I auditioned prior, but i do my two channel listening on my Wharfedale/Cambridge/Arcam 2.1 setup in another room.

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Had mine for a few weeks now. On the fence as of yet. Center channel performance is fantastic. Two channel is not my favorite compared to the numerous other speakers I auditioned prior, but i do my two channel listening on my Wharfedale/Cambridge/Arcam 2.1 setup in another room.

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Does the center channel give you a great sense of depth like the Bowers & Wilkins HTM71 S2? What about two channel audio do you not like about them? We're seriously considering these speakers for our LCR because we liked the Prestige series so much, but can't quite (don't want to) swallow that price pill. That Prestige sound, or very close to it, in a cheaper box would be ideal. We do like the Revel Concerta2 F36, but not the center channel of that series...but I suppose it's a bit much to ask if the Premier center channel would blend well with them.
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Had mine for a few weeks now. On the fence as of yet. Center channel performance is fantastic. Two channel is not my favorite compared to the numerous other speakers I auditioned prior, but i do my two channel listening on my Wharfedale/Cambridge/Arcam 2.1 setup in another room.

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I think I know what your 2 channel problem might be.....Those xbox controllers being close to the speakers could be hindering performance. If you had some ps4 controllers that should help lol

Kidding aside I am curious what you do not like about them? Have you had your other set-up in that room to compare or vise versa?
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I think I know what your 2 channel problem might be.....Those xbox controllers being close to the speakers could be hindering performance. If you had some ps4 controllers that should help lol

Kidding aside I am curious what you do not like about them? Have you had your other set-up in that room to compare or vise versa?
its gonna take a few more days for his ears and brain to process all that detailed awesomeness is all......
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Elite E3 vs Pro P3

I'm looking for in walls for LCR and am considering the Paradigm Elite E3 vs Pro P3. The E3 are about 50% more. Wondering if anyone has these and if they're "worth it". I imagine the P3s would be just fine for my purpose, but curious the group opinion or if anyone has auditioned either. Thanks.
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I'm looking for in walls for LCR and am considering the Paradigm Elite E3 vs Pro P3. The E3 are about 50% more. Wondering if anyone has these and if they're "worth it". I imagine the P3s would be just fine for my purpose, but curious the group opinion or if anyone has auditioned either. Thanks.
I realized the P3 wouldn't fill the hole left behind by my current speakers. Current speaker cutout width is 7 3/4in and the P3s are only 6.625" cutout. The only two that could fill the hole and then some would be the E3 or the P5.
Any opinion on how those compare?
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I realized the P3 wouldn't fill the hole left behind by my current speakers. Current speaker cutout width is 7 3/4in and the P3s are only 6.625" cutout. The only two that could fill the hole and then some would be the E3 or the P5.
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The E3 and the P3 use the same cutout. You'd have to go either P5 or E5.



For the 20% price hike I'd be inclined to go for the top series but either way I'm sure you'll be happy.
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The E3 and the P3 use the same cutout. You'd have to go either P5 or E5.



For the 20% price hike I'd be inclined to go for the top series but either way I'm sure you'll be happy.
Ah crud, you're right. I thought I looked at both, but must have looked at E5 instead of E3. Hmm....
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Does the center channel give you a great sense of depth like the Bowers & Wilkins HTM71 S2? What about two channel audio do you not like about them? We're seriously considering these speakers for our LCR because we liked the Prestige series so much, but can't quite (don't want to) swallow that price pill. That Prestige sound, or very close to it, in a cheaper box would be ideal. We do like the Revel Concerta2 F36, but not the center channel of that series...but I suppose it's a bit much to ask if the Premier center channel would blend well with them.
I'm dying to read a full review. You looking at the 700F's or the 800's?
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I'm dying to read a full review. You looking at the 700F's or the 800's?
Most likely the 800Fs. We have a large area that needs to be filled with sound.
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The Signature C3 fits exactly in there. I really can't place anything in front of the cabinet on a stand. I would probably have went for the Persona CC but that's a steep price for me. I do think the Persona B would have been "good enough" (lol) for the Center channel if I could have placed it vertically. I'm not sure how the Persona L & R fronts, and Sig CC would blend together. Maybe it's time for a phantom CC test for my 5.1 system? Any ideas? When my CC is off I can swear the sound is coming from Dead Center. I would imagine I wouldn't be missing much without a CC. That would save me $7k or so. lol. Plus I wouldn't have to raise the TV to unacceptable heights.

What I mentioned before was raising the whole TV onto a 10 or 11" high rectangular box. Then placing any sized speaker I wanted right under it. The TV height is perfect now. Raising it would be too high but at least I can have any CC I wanted. I would just cover the wood framed box with black speaker fabric like the center channel has now.
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The Signature C3 fits exactly in there. I really can't place anything in front of the cabinet on a stand. I would probably have went for the Persona CC but that's a steep price for me. I do think the Persona B would have been "good enough" (lol) for the Center channel if I could have placed it vertically. I'm not sure how the Persona L & R fronts, and Sig CC would blend together. Maybe it's time for a phantom CC test for my 5.1 system? Any ideas? When my CC is off I can swear the sound is coming from Dead Center. I would imagine I wouldn't be missing much without a CC. That would save me $7k or so. lol. Plus I wouldn't have to raise the TV to unacceptable heights.

What I mentioned before was raising the whole TV onto a 10 or 11" high rectangular box. Then placing any sized speaker I wanted right under it. The TV height is perfect now. Raising it would be too high but at least I can have any CC I wanted. I would just cover the wood framed box with black speaker fabric like the center channel has now.
That is a pretty perfect fit! I'm gonna guess the Personas and the Sig CC will blend fairly well. That's not exactly some cheap, crappy speaker you have there. Perfect? Maybe not, but still delivering a nice performance? Yeah, I'll bet they will.

Though I will say, with home theater, I would never NOT have a center channel. I do mess around with different configs and what not, and there are exceptions in which stereo sounds a bit better than L/C/R, but not often, at least not with the material I listen to/watch. YMMV.

Oh, and I think I hear that empty corner saying, "Hey, where's my sub?? Kinda lonely over here......"......

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The Signature C3 fits exactly in there. I really can't place anything in front of the cabinet on a stand. I would probably have went for the Persona CC but that's a steep price for me. I do think the Persona B would have been "good enough" (lol) for the Center channel if I could have placed it vertically. I'm not sure how the Persona L & R fronts, and Sig CC would blend together. Maybe it's time for a phantom CC test for my 5.1 system? Any ideas? When my CC is off I can swear the sound is coming from Dead Center. I would imagine I wouldn't be missing much without a CC. That would save me $7k or so. lol. Plus I wouldn't have to raise the TV to unacceptable heights.

What I mentioned before was raising the whole TV onto a 10 or 11" high rectangular box. Then placing any sized speaker I wanted right under it. The TV height is perfect now. Raising it would be too high but at least I can have any CC I wanted. I would just cover the wood framed box with black speaker fabric like the center channel has now.
Even with the sound at dead center with no center speaker, it’s more about the sound being down mixed to stereo and voices can be lost and blended in, compared to the CC putting dialogue up front. It doesn’t look like your tv would be too high if 1’ higher, to me it looks a little too low right now.
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Thank you Jonas2 and Williams2. That left side does need something, but I was thinking a bass trap in each corner. Then first reflection artwork on the right wall side in the picture. I was also thinking of moving the sub to that left side just to try it and see if it sounds better. Maybe moving to the Anthem using ARC would allow me to see it more clearly. I still haven't decided on the Anthem or some other preamp or integrated etc...

So, here's an "after" pic of the Living room. From Studio 40s to Persona 3f...

I've been listening a little with them but they are not calibrated yet. They are actually adjusted to the Studio 40s that were there and seem a tad boomy. I know....I know... Anyway, I'll have to run Calibration and see. I'm leaning towards the Anthem MRX 720 just so I don't have to do it twice. This may push me faster in that direction.

Thanks to all the replies. I do appreciate them. I just don't want to come back and say "thank you" and not have anything else to add, so I leave the replies alone. Instead of bumping the thread with a "thank you". Everyone here is appreciated!

Ummm, anyone wanna buy great Studio 40v2 speakers? lol
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Yes, but I couldn't afford a fair price

What is pushing the speakers now?

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The Signature C3 fits exactly in there. I really can't place anything in front of the cabinet on a stand. I would probably have went for the Persona CC but that's a steep price for me. I do think the Persona B would have been "good enough" (lol) for the Center channel if I could have placed it vertically. I'm not sure how the Persona L & R fronts, and Sig CC would blend together. Maybe it's time for a phantom CC test for my 5.1 system? Any ideas? When my CC is off I can swear the sound is coming from Dead Center. I would imagine I wouldn't be missing much without a CC. That would save me $7k or so. lol. Plus I wouldn't have to raise the TV to unacceptable heights.



What I mentioned before was raising the whole TV onto a 10 or 11" high rectangular box. Then placing any sized speaker I wanted right under it. The TV height is perfect now. Raising it would be too high but at least I can have any CC I wanted. I would just cover the wood framed box with black speaker fabric like the center channel has now.


Just a thought... I would say perhaps your center is too low where it is. If it wouldn’t kill you to mount the TV 12” taller, you may get better results with your CC at Ear level.


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Oh, and I think I hear that empty corner saying, "Hey, where's my sub?? Kinda lonely over here......"......

I agree your sub looks pretty lonely by himself...



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Yes, bit I couldn't afford a fair price

What is pushing the speakers now?

**Edit** I'm getting an Anthem MRX 720 in the next couple of days. Will still use the Parasound amp for it...
I'm using an Onkyo 818 but with an amp Parasound HCA2205 AT something... 220 wpc x 5. I love it.

PM me an unfair price. I also have the stands. I also have a Studio CC with a blown tweeter. Ouch. But ONLY PMs please. I already went ot here.
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Thank you Jonas2 and Williams2. That left side does need something, but I was thinking a bass trap in each corner. Then first reflection artwork on the right wall side in the picture. I was also thinking of moving the sub to that left side just to try it and see if it sounds better. Maybe moving to the Anthem using ARC would allow me to see it more clearly. I still haven't decided on the Anthem or some other preamp or integrated etc...



So, here's an "after" pic of the Living room. From Studio 40s to Persona 3f...



I've been listening a little with them but they are not calibrated yet. They are actually adjusted to the Studio 40s that were there and seem a tad boomy. I know....I know... Anyway, I'll have to run Calibration and see. I'm leaning towards the Anthem MRX 720 just so I don't have to do it twice. This may push me faster in that direction.



Thanks to all the replies. I do appreciate them. I just don't want to come back and say "thank you" and not have anything else to add, so I leave the replies alone. Instead of bumping the thread with a "thank you". Everyone here is appreciated!



Ummm, anyone wanna buy great Studio 40v2 speakers? lol


Looks perfect!!


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I'm using an Onkyo 818 but with an amp.
Is MultiEQ XT32 that much if a chore?

I've only used MCACC Pro and ARC (gen 1 in MRX x00).

The multiple position make ARC a bit of work, but MCACC is just hit go and wait for it to finish.
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Is MultiEQ XT32 that much if a chore?

I've only used MCACC Pro and ARC (gen 1 in MRX x00).

The multiple position make ARC a bit of work, but MCACC is just hit go and wait for it to finish.
XT32 isn't bad. Just follow the instructions and you're good. I actually liked the outcome and have been living with the results for many years. I didn't really have any issues with the whole speaker setup and system driving it. I guess I just got the itch after my CC blew it's tweeter.

I do have a bit more appreciation for the Studio line of speakers after hearing the Persona. They are darn good speakers, I have to tweak the Persona, but I was expecting more of a difference. I do need better equipment and better calibration for the new speakers though. In time...

Thanks all, I have to figure out my next steps re speakers and other equipment. I just placed an order for the Anthem 720..
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Can someone please measure their Persona B speaker faceplate and post it here? The front of the speaker from top to bottom. I see the dimensions online, but want to build a shelf for it and face it up on a little angle because of the way it sits. Almost like it sits without it's stand. That will make it 'shorter', and would face MLP better too.

I may just use the Persona B vertically for the center channel in my setup after all. All I have to do is cut the top of my TV stand and build an even smaller height box over it to fit. Maybe 4-6". That's better than double the height box I was thinking of doing earlier. This would do two things. #1- Not go as high. #2- Allow for the B speaker instead off the more expensive CC speaker.

Also, I measured the height of the TV and I am about 12"-16" from the bottom of the screen eye height. It's an 80" TV, so it really isn't "too low" like was previously mentioned. It's perfect right now for us. I would give up the extra height for a better CC audio.

So, if anyone can please measure that B front, that would be great. Thank you.
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I heard the 100B, 200B, 500C, 600C today. I was not a fan of the 100/500 - they just sounded strained in the midbass when the volume was turned up. The 200/600, which use the larger 6.5" drivers, had no such issues. I'll be upgrading my second system to the 200/600 setup in the near future, they were very nice, much cleaner sound than the Monitor SE Atoms I have now. The 600C center had WAY more impact than the CC-290 v6 I have now. Male voices sounded properly deep and gunshots had a percussive force that just isn't there with my CC-290 or with the 500C that was being A/B'd.

The espresso finish was disappointing, I was hoping for a deep, rich brown, and instead it was more of a washed out grey with only hints of brown.
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I heard the 100B, 200B, 500C, 600C today. I was not a fan of the 100/500 - they just sounded strained in the midbass when the volume was turned up. The 200/600, which use the larger 6.5" drivers, had no such issues. I'll be upgrading my second system to the 200/600 setup in the near future, they were very nice, much cleaner sound than the Monitor SE Atoms I have now. The 600C center had WAY more impact than the CC-290 v6 I have now. Male voices sounded properly deep and gunshots had a percussive force that just isn't there with my CC-290 or with the 500C that was being A/B'd.

The espresso finish was disappointing, I was hoping for a deep, rich brown, and instead it was more of a washed out grey with only hints of brown.
I was thinking the 600C with the larger and passive drivers would be a pretty substantial jump up from the 500C. Do you have any thoughts on the Premier series vs the Prestige series?

I seriously don't like glossy finishes, so the news about the espresso finish not looking very good is a bit disappointing. For anyone who could be so kind as to contribute images: More, high quality pictures of the espresso finish under brighter lighting conditions would be very, very appreciated.
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I heard the 100B, 200B, 500C, 600C today. I was not a fan of the 100/500 - they just sounded strained in the midbass when the volume was turned up. The 200/600, which use the larger 6.5" drivers, had no such issues. I'll be upgrading my second system to the 200/600 setup in the near future, they were very nice, much cleaner sound than the Monitor SE Atoms I have now. The 600C center had WAY more impact than the CC-290 v6 I have now. Male voices sounded properly deep and gunshots had a percussive force that just isn't there with my CC-290 or with the 500C that was being A/B'd.

The espresso finish was disappointing, I was hoping for a deep, rich brown, and instead it was more of a washed out grey with only hints of brown.
what was driving all of these ?
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I was thinking the 600C with the larger and passive drivers would be a pretty substantial jump up from the 500C. Do you have any thoughts on the Premier series vs the Prestige series?

I seriously don't like glossy finishes, so the news about the espresso finish not looking very good is a bit disappointing. For anyone who could be so kind as to contribute images: More, high quality pictures of the espresso finish under brighter lighting conditions would be very, very appreciated.
If I can get back out there, I'll grab some photos with a real camera. I have 85F/55C at home, and the Premier 200B/600C, while not close, was very good, definitely much better than Monitor SE or my older v6/v7 stuff. I'd say the 600C edges out the CC-390 by a good margin, puts the CC-290 to shame, and makes a good showing against the 55C. Rough numbers, the 600C felt like 85% of the performance for 60% of the price. A very good deal IMHO.

I don't want to compare the 85F to the 200B, it's just not fair. I'll say they were very good for bookshelf speakers, and with the Prestige sub both on and off, the sound was typical Paradigm: nice and sharp. Lower bass was a little lacking compared to the Mini Monitor v6, but that's the only area where the Mini Monitor might eke ahead. With a sub, it's not even a contest, the Premiers are just better. I haven't heard the Prestige 15B, so I can't comment on that. I'm a little bummed they didn't make a 6.5" bookshelf (and for that matter, a center with 6.5" drivers) in the Prestige lineup. They already have the drivers...

Please note that my praise is strictly limited to the 200B/600C. I cannot recommend the 100B/500C at all. They were jumbled, confused, and strained once the volume was raised to (what I think of as) normal listening levels. I have a pair of Monitor SE Atoms and they don't have that issue. I'd take them with a Monitor SE center channel over the 100B, it was that bad.

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what was driving all of these ?
You know, I was just wondering that myself. I just emailed to ask. This was at The Audio Store in Newington CT, in the 'low end' room.
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The Prestige 15B’s don’t have the midrange or bass strain that’s mentioned of the Premier speakers with 5.25” drivers. The crossovers, drivers and cabinets of the Prestige series are higher quality than the Premier. I’ve heard 15B’s driven by a Peachtree Nova 300 at over half volume and they sounded great, no strain or distortion. Way louder than recommended and way louder than you’d want to hear for any length of time. Also the lower bass specs are much better with Prestige.
The Premier 100B are rated +/- 2db at 84hz, the Prestige 15B are +/- 2db at 57hz. But the ARC measurements show my 15B’s are flat down to 50hz in my room.
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