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Upgrade bug

So the bug surfaces again. Currently I have Studio 100v3 and CC690. Looking to replace 100's with Prestige 95f. Dealer offered me 20% off($1100). Demoed then and liked what I heard. Are they worth the upgrade? Anyone else go from 100's to these?
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Any thoughts on the Monitor Sub 12? I have a chance to get one very cheap.
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So the bug surfaces again. Currently I have Studio 100v3 and CC690. Looking to replace 100's with Prestige 95f. Dealer offered me 20% off($1100). Demoed then and liked what I heard. Are they worth the upgrade? Anyone else go from 100's to these?
So I'm guessing you're the one on CAM selling that gorgeous L/C/R Studio setup. Wish I had $2800 laying around.
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So the bug surfaces again. Currently I have Studio 100v3 and CC690. Looking to replace 100's with Prestige 95f. Dealer offered me 20% off($1100). Demoed then and liked what I heard. Are they worth the upgrade? Anyone else go from 100's to these?
I had the 60's with the 690, and got the 95f's and 55c and don't regret it at all. Love my new setup.
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I had the 60's with the 690, and got the 95f's and 55c and don't regret it at all. Love my new setup.
I think there is a lot more head room with the Prestige over the Studio 60's. My 85F's sore with ease and I can only imagine that the 95F's are more so. The 2 1/2 way speaker is supposed to infuse some sort of acoustic dispersion. I thought that I would not like it as the bass could interfere in the mids...however, I can hear no such influence at ever higher volumes. The Prestige's are surprisingly clear and crisp in that regard.
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I think there is a lot more head room with the Prestige over the Studio 60's. My 85F's sore with ease and I can only imagine that the 95F's are more so. The 2 1/2 way speaker is supposed to infuse some sort of acoustic dispersion. I thought that I would not like it as the bass could interfere in the mids...however, I can hear no such influence at ever higher volumes. The Prestige's are surprisingly clear and crisp in that regard.
There is nothing special about a 2 1/2 way cross-over. Paradigm has used these throughout their product lines for years. The Studio 60 v.5s were 2 1/2 way. The monitor 9s and 7s (ver. 1-4) were also 2 1/2 way speakers. It is just a simpler crossover with fewer components, which at times can be better, but it is also cheaper to manufacture.
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Today, I spent about 2 hours at my local dealer, seriously listening to the new Premier 200b’s and making a/b comparisons with various
other paradigm speakers including the Prestige 15b, and the Monitor v7 series that I currently own. I was so sure that I was going to order the 200b’s that I was all prepared to purchase. I walked away disappointed. Eager to fire up the 200b, I plugged in my reference cd’s. My experience was that something was missing in the midrange. We played several songs, but the same thing happened. I thought that the speakers were possibly left on “small”. That was not the case. I compared these first to the Monitor v7 Atom. Results were much more defined in the Atom. Then I switched to the 15b’s. Again much more refined with total sound, although “not meaning to rain on anyone’s parade”, there seemed to be a lack of detail. This may have been a result of placement, and I was not in the market for those today. I last compared them to the new Monitor SE 3000 floor standers, really not expecting much. They surprised me, although I believe the Monitor V7 series is better. I then switch back to the Premier 200b. I really wanted to like them, as I had recently sold my Studio 60s, and purchased the Mini Monitor v 7 to bridge the gap until these were available. Just for reference, the receiver was Anthem.
The Monitors, for now, sound fine. I am left wondering a few things. Are the X-pal tweeters less defined due to roll off? The SE, Premier, and Prestige series use the X-pal so they all timber match. I hear more detail with S-Pal. Do the 200b speakers need a break-in period. My monitors did. After about 40 hours, they seemed to open up. Lot’s to think about here. unfortunately, they do not offer an in-home trial, although Paradigm does offer a 30 day money back guarantee, but I am not sure who pays shipping. Has anyone else had a similar experience, or a great experience? Again, this is my opinion, as beauty is in the ears of the listener.
Update: last week, I had a second listen on the Premier 200b speakers. This time, at a different location, and a different amp (Cambridge). The speakers sounded much better in a different environment. I listened to them without a sub, and pure direct. I had a much better experience, however the details that I hear on my Mini Monitor 7v7’s were still missing, but these speakers were fresh out of the box. I believe My ears are not yet trained to X-pal tweeters. I then went back to the first location to hear the speakers after a few hours burn-in. The sound was much worse at this location. There must be a problem there. I am still considering taking a chance by purchasing them, but I would like to see a couple of reviews just to see what others think. I am sure there are others who would also like to hear from those who own the Premier series.

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Update: last week, I had a second listen on the Premier 200b speakers. This time, at a different location, and a different amp (Cambridge). The speakers sounded much better in a different environment. I listened to them without a sub, and pure direct. I had a much better experience, however the details that I hear on my Mini Monitor 7v7’s were still missing, but these speakers were fresh out of the box. I believe My ears are not yet trained to X-pal tweeters. I then went back to the first location to hear the speakers after a few hours burn-in. The sound was much worse at this location. There must be a problem there. I am still considering taking a chance by purchasing them, but I would like to see a couple of reviews just to see what others think. I am sure there are others who would also like to hear from those who own the Premier series.

Have you ruled out the Prestige line altogether? If not, you should listen to them at the 2nd location in the space that sounds good to you, if possible. I'd assume if they had a pair of 15Bs, they'd already be broken in unless they rotate demo stock often. Did you listen to the 15Bs in the same space as the Premiers at the 1st location?

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Have you ruled out the Prestige line altogether? If not, you should listen to them at the 2nd location in the space that sounds good to you, if possible. I'd assume if they had a pair of 15Bs, they'd already be broken in unless they rotate demo stock often. Did you listen to the 15Bs in the same space as the Premiers at the 1st location?
Hi! I heard the 15b earlier and liked them fine. I may go ahead and jump to the Prestige line. I know they sound great. The do not have them on display at the store where I listened to an improved 200b, but they do at the other place.

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Hi! I heard the 15b earlier and liked them fine. I may go ahead and jump to the Prestige line. I know they sound great. The do not have them on display at the store where I listened to an improved 200b, but they do at the other place.

Gotcha. You had mentioned sounding good, but lacking some detail, thought maybe that was listening space-related like with the Premieres. See if there is any chance the dealer would allow you to try them in your home. Worth a shot!
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I just wanted to post my Rew graph of my Persona 3f left speaker. For those wondering about the w pattern of the frequency response. There is no need. This is also with the speaker towed in. And this room is not even totally done yet. This is with no EQ. Just the left 3F. Notice up high it fits a +-2.5db window. It is funny how that is what the specs say for the speakers. Or pretty close anyways. This is with a 90deg Cal file. Mic pointed up. So this is taking into account the room. And like I said this is no EQ. Oppo205 directly to amp.

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Prestige 95f or Anthem MCA 325? Cureently have Studio 100v3. Was looking at replacing them with the 95f. Then I was thinking to just get a new 3 channel amp for the front soundstage. Decision's decision's. What would you do. Currently I run a Anthem MRX720.

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Prestige 95f or Anthem MCA 325? Cureently have Studio 100v3. Was looking at replacing them with the 95f. Then I was thinking to just get a new 3 channel amp for the front soundstage. Decision's decision's. What would you do. Currently I run a Anthem MRX720.
I’ve heard 85F’s and a 55C powered by an MRX520 in a 1000 sq ft room. Seating was about 12’ away and it went way louder than needed. The receiver goes to +10, and at -10 it was very loud at the doorway about 30’ away. I think the added sound quality and sensitivity of the 95F’s would be a better upgrade than a new amp. I highly doubt you would need a power amp, you’d already be listening well into hearing damage loud before the MRX720 ran out of clean power.
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Gotcha. You had mentioned sounding good, but lacking some detail, thought maybe that was listening space-related like with the Premieres. See if there is any chance the dealer would allow you to try them in your home. Worth a shot!
I plan to give one or both a try. One of the places has a 45 day trial period. I may try both, only problem is that I will not want to return either.
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I plan to give one or both a try. One of the places has a 45 day trial period. I may try both, only problem is that I will not want to return either.

Wow, that's pretty good! Definitely try both! And if you end up keeping everything.....oh well.....

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Oh, and I think I hear that empty corner saying, "Hey, where's my sub?? Kinda lonely over here......"......


I've been thinking about this ever since you mentioned it. I am definitely upgrading something with my LF. I'm either getting

#1- another sub, which is the Paradigm Servo 15 (v1), ($500 or so used of course...

#2- A different sub SVS SB16 Ultra...

#3 - 2 SVS SB16 Ultras

I wanted to ask if anyone here is still using the v1 Servo or using 2 of them? Maybe I'm too used to it, but it's not too bad. Music and movies are great. I do have an open floor plan of 5000sf. roughly speaking. An upgrade of $500 or so, to a possible $4000 is a bit steep for the .1 of my 5.1 system. The second sub does not absolutely need to go in the left corner there. It has a small possibility of going somewhere else. I have a few peaks and nulls when running my Anthem mrx720 ARC calibration that I want to fix. After finishing the sub situation, I will be buying or building some acoustic absorption next.

Bottom line, is my Paradigm Servo 15 done? Time to move on?

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#3 - 2 SVS SB16 Ultras
I like this option. I love SVS as a company, and love my subs.

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An upgrade of $500 or so, to a possible $4000 is a bit steep for the .1 of my 5.1 system.
But once you do it, I think you will be pleased with the results. You could consider another brand, HSU Research is one example - get a very good bang for the buck from this company. You should be able to land in the $2000-$3000 (or even less) for a nice pair, depending.

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The second sub does not absolutely need to go in the left corner there. It has a small possibility of going somewhere else. I have a few peaks and nulls when running my Anthem mrx720 ARC calibration that I want to fix.
Absolutely experiment. I'd start with that front left corner though, and see what results you get, then start moving around and see what takes you to the best place.

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Just me, I would grab a pair of 15 or 18 inch Rythmik servo subs before anything from SVS, if you're looking for something similar to your Paradigm servo sub. If you want something a little more unique, check these out: http://www.salksound.com/series.php?series=Subwoofer - Rythmik guts with crazy-good cabinets and custom finish options.

Personally, I've got a pair of PSA V1811 with my 85F/55C setup, and they blend beautifully.
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Just me, I would grab a pair of 15 or 18 inch Rythmik servo subs before anything from SVS, if you're looking for something similar to your Paradigm servo sub. If you want something a little more unique, check these out: http://www.salksound.com/series.php?series=Subwoofer - Rythmik guts with crazy-good cabinets and custom finish options.

Personally, I've got a pair of PSA V1811 with my 85F/55C setup, and they blend beautifully.
Count me as another vote for two 15 or 18 inch Rythmik subwoofers. I still need a subwoofer myself, and as of right now I'm looking at two LV12R's, or building a FV15HP knockoff. I have a tight budget to work with, and getting two LV12R's would be stretching it.
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Cc690 and four studio 100’s . They are the last Gen made, V5 I think ? Also have the PW2200 for bass duties.
I have to say I have no regrets,as I love the sound these speakers produce. Probably one of the bigger investments I’ve made without any buyers remorse .
Future upgrades include building a new stand for the centre channel in order to have it sit on top and be an inch below the flat screen ,and possibly ditch the stand on the left and mount the gear in the new stand .
Then pull the sub in closer and build a floating shelf above it for a 4K player , Apple box , and gateways portal
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So similar! I have 100s 690 20s and Sub12 oh and a Supercube.. Needing a new pre/pro...
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So similar! I have 100s 690 20s and Sub12 oh and a Supercube.. Needing a new pre/pro...
I had that setup before,and wanted to upgrade to 100’s in the rear, but they changed to the rounded version ,so I bought all new yet again .

I have a Marrantz av7005 and want to buy a newer Marantz pre Pro ,as I’d like the 4K pass threw . Can’t afford the flagship but considering the 7704
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I'm heading towards the Yamaha CX-A5200. All I need is a multi channel input for my Oppo, phono in and pre outs, most brands require you to get the flagship models which is a royal pain in the backside. I don't need 13 channels of whatever...Just give us a decent pre/pro please!!

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Count me as another vote for two 15 or 18 inch Rythmik subwoofers. I still need a subwoofer myself, and as of right now I'm looking at two LV12R's, or building a FV15HP knockoff. I have a tight budget to work with, and getting two LV12R's would be stretching it.


Thank you guys, and Jonas2 for the replies. I've briefly looked at the PSA subs and they are appealing to me, so far... I like their simple, smallish design. I will have to post on the subwoofer forums to get more info to keep it on topic. I was contemplating a second Paradigm Servo sub because, #1 it doesn't sound too bad. #2- The rear dial is set very low and does not seem to be lacking in output. #3- The Sub's technical specs are just about the same as some of the others I'm looking at. I figured, "if it ain't broke..."

I wish I had a second sub in my Living room to test out. Then the decision making would be much easier. I can always buy it ($500- $600) then either sell it (or both) or take the loss. Again, $3000-$4000 is a bit more than I want to spend right now, especially when the answer is not very obvious. My biggest reason is just fixing the room modes. Peaks and valleys in the ARC/REW measurements. I don't have full measurements now, but that's another project.

If I got something like an 18 or 16 or dual of either, I can only imagine the dial would be set even lower than it is now. Is that buying "too much" subwoofer at that point? Again, going off topic, but I still would like a recent Paradigm or current Paradigm Servo 15 owner to chime in and give opinions on the upgrade or how it's working for you. Either single or double or how the upgrade went, etc...?

Thanks again
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Guys , I’m tempted to oust the Marrantz amplifier and purchasing an Anthem A5 . Thinking the extra headroom my make not hurt , going from 140 watts, to 225 per channel.
Anyone here have studio 100’s , and found an improvement in sound quality after upgrading to a more powerful amplifier ?
My dealer claims he’s heard an improvement with getting more power to the 100’s ,and I’m a believer in having headroom for more control over the drivers.

When you see the specs,the Marrantz MM7055 draws 660 Watts max,where as the Anthem draws 1800 Watts . So there may be a improvement with tighter bass and mid bass attack etc

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Cc690 and four studio 100’s . They are the last Gen made, V5 I think ? Also have the PW2200 for bass duties.
I have to say I have no regrets,as I love the sound these speakers produce. Probably one of the bigger investments I’ve made without any buyers remorse .
Future upgrades include building a new stand for the centre channel in order to have it sit on top and be an inch below the flat screen ,and possibly ditch the stand on the left and mount the gear in the new stand .
Then pull the sub in closer and build a floating shelf above it for a 4K player , Apple box , and gateways portal
You are using 100s for rears? That's overkill, lol. I wonder how big speaker sound as rears though?
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You are using 100s for rears? That's overkill, lol. I wonder how big speaker sound as rears though?
Overkill for movies maybe, but some multi-channel music uses the rear speakers quite bit. It all depends on how its mixed.
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Cc690 and four studio 100’s . They are the last Gen made, V5 I think ? Also have the PW2200 for bass duties.
I have to say I have no regrets,as I love the sound these speakers produce. Probably one of the bigger investments I’ve made without any buyers remorse .
Future upgrades include building a new stand for the centre channel in order to have it sit on top and be an inch below the flat screen ,and possibly ditch the stand on the left and mount the gear in the new stand .
Then pull the sub in closer and build a floating shelf above it for a 4K player , Apple box , and gateways portal
Nice setup
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You are using 100s for rears? That's overkill, lol. I wonder how big speaker sound as rears though?
I used to have my living room turned around and the speakers were much further away . Now that I’ve changed my design around for the last freaking time, I agree the 100’s are overkill lol.
But as I say that, they sound fantastic!
The bottom half are blocked by the couch and end table, but the highest frequency drivers are near the top anyways ,so no loss there . If I could do it again I’d go with 40’s in the rear , but the option isn’t on the table anymore .

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