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My Anthem MRX520 runs my 15B’s more than loud enough. Volume goes up to +10 on the receiver and I haven’t needed to play movies louder than -20, still lots of headroom left. I have the receiver settings limited to go up to -10 and have played music at that level for over an hour. It was plenty loud and the receiver was only warm to touch. The ARC also blends the system together really well, it sounds amazing. The only thing I don’t like about the Anthem/Prestige combo is being a little bright, so I have the treble at -3. With the Peachtree or NAD amp running the 15B’s it sounded a little warmer and the treble was very good as is.
So if I added amps it would only be to make the system more neutral without turning the treble down, so I don’t think it’d be worth the money for a mostly home theatre only system.
I would say the 15B's are a tad easier to drive than the 95F's especially with the MRX520. I certainly would not pair it with my 95Fs/55C combo. I've had numerous amps over the years in combination with receiver's driving my Studio's. The difference is apparent. Time to see what one can do for my Prestige's

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I would say the 15B's are a tad easier to drive than the 95F's especially wuth tge MRX520. I certainly would not pair it with my 95Fs/55C combo. I've had numerous amps over the years in combination with receiver's driving my Studio's. The difference is apparent. Time to see what one can do for my Prestige's
It wouldn’t hurt to try, but with with the 95F’s being 94db sensitivity and the 15B’s being 87db, the 95F’s are much easier to drive. I’ve heard 85F’s and a 55C being driven by the MRX520 for several hours in a 20’ x 50’ ft room with 12’ ceilings and it was stupid loud at -10. But they were also crossed over at 80hz to the same 1000 watt rms sealed 12” sub I have now.
You may notice more controlled bass with the Rotel amp if it has a higher damping factor, and maybe more neutral sound. But other than a slight improvement in sound quality, a good receiver will drive those speakers well into hearing damage loud.

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I would say the 15B's are a tad easier to drive than the 95F's especially wuth tge MRX520. I certainly would not pair it with my 95Fs/55C combo. I've had numerous amps over the years in combination with receiver's driving my Studio's. The difference is apparent. Time to see what one can do for my Prestige's
It wouldn’t hurt to try, but with with the 95F’s being 94db sensitivity and the 15B’s being 87db, the 95F’s are much easier to drive. I’ve heard 85F’s and a 55C being driven by the MRX520 for several hours in a 20’ x 50’ ft room with 12’ ceilings and it was stupid loud at -10. But they were also crossed over at 80hz to the same 1000 watt rms sealed 12” sub I have now.
You may notice more controlled bass with the Rotel amp if it has a higher damping factor, and maybe more neutral sound. But other than a slight improvement in sound quality, a good receiver will drive those speakers well into hearing damage loud.
I am coming off Studio 100v3 which were 91db sensitive and the first thing I noticed is at -40 on the dial which I have my receiver set to on boot up it is clearly more audible with the Prestige. Where I would crank it to -20 for movies, I now have it at -30. That extra 3db of sensitivity really helps. In the end, I could always sell it and make my money back.

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The more I’m hearing other speakers the more I’m appreciating the Prestige 15B’s. We listened to Dynaudio Special 40’s at the Toronto Audio Festival and they were more neutral than the 15B’s, but otherwise sounded very similar, and the 15B’s are half the price. From what I heard the clarity and bass quality are slightly better on the 15B’s, but that might’ve been from the room. If Paradigm were to cut the frequency response by 2db from around 500hz and up they’d be even better, that could be the only change they make if they do Prestige 2.0.
I feel the same way about them. It's fun to go into a Best Buy Magnolia Center and honestly like my speakers more than anything they offer. I've also been thinking about lowering the higher frequencies as well. They're just a little too intense for my ears sometimes. My only worry is messing with the midrange too much. I just want to take the slight edge off, without changing the way voices sound.
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In case anybody is wondering about the differences between the Premier and Prestige speakers, I heard the Premier’s today at the Toronto Audio Festival, and have heard the Prestige 85F’s for several hours and own 15B’s.
The Prestige speakers offer better bass, a little smoother from top to bottom, and a little better clarity. Each difference isn’t that great, but when you add up all of those small improvements, the Prestige are a good step up in sound quality.
I don’t think I’d spend the extra money on the Premiers over the new Monitor SE series, which are significantly better than the Monitor V7’s.
Myself I’d buy the Monitor SE’s now if most of my usage was for home theatre, or jump up to the Prestige line if listening to lots of music as well.
Hi Williams2! I am an Italian boy and I apologize for my English ... I hope you can understand! I would kindly ask you for information as I do not have the possibility to make a comparative listening between the various speakers!
1. For listening to 50% Film and 50% Music in a large room is better Pararadigm Monitor 11 v7 or Monitor SE 6000F?
2. Or rather spend a little more for Premier 800F?
3. Have you upgraded the Premier 800Fs in comparison to the Monitor 11 v7?
...thanks for your kindness!
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Hey fellas and Lady,

I have the following

Center 3
Monitor 9 v7
Mini Monitor surrounds v7
Atom v7 rear surrounds.

I want MOAR. Not really sure if I should stick with paradigm or not but decided I'd poke here first.

Getting a new sub today the Rythmik FV25HP . Looking for more PUNCH w/ the fronts. I listen to about 50/50 movies and music.

What front speakers should I be looking at? Would like to stay around $1,000 or so a speaker (front), will worry about the center later..

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Hi Williams2! I am an Italian boy and I apologize for my English ... I hope you can understand! I would kindly ask you for information as I do not have the possibility to make a comparative listening between the various speakers!
1. For listening to 50% Film and 50% Music in a large room is better Pararadigm Monitor 11 v7 or Monitor SE 6000F?
2. Or rather spend a little more for Premier 800F?
3. Have you upgraded the Premier 800Fs in comparison to the Monitor 11 v7?
...thanks for your kindness!
For 50/50 listening in a large room I’d buy the Monitor SE 6000F, they’re excellent for the price.
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I feel the same way about them. It's fun to go into a Best Buy Magnolia Center and honestly like my speakers more than anything they offer. I've also been thinking about lowering the higher frequencies as well. They're just a little too intense for my ears sometimes. My only worry is messing with the midrange too much. I just want to take the slight edge off, without changing the way voices sound.
Hah! This brought out a nice smile.
I just purchased a new Marantz SR7013 from Best Buy. I did it for convenience. I literally walked into the Magnolia center and didn't look at a single speaker. Not a one. I caught myself and grinned internally. There is nothing in there that they sell that sounds better than my Studio 60v5 or my Prestige's for that matter. That's pretty cool and kudos to Paradigm.
As far as brightness goes, I can see that. Room correction tamed my 85F's. I go with flat EQ. I step up the treble a bit on my Onkyo for older listeners (ie my dad) and dial it back for me. I'm very happy with it. The Marantz was just too warm with their recommended settings, but a guy on that forum lead me to the right set up...their "Reference" set up rolls off the highs too much for my taste.
Tame the highs with an EQ or Bass/Treble setting if you can.
Thanks for your post...for some reason, it made me feel better that someone else out there thought the same thing as me.
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Hey fellas and Lady,

I have the following

Center 3
Monitor 9 v7
Mini Monitor surrounds v7
Atom v7 rear surrounds.

I want MOAR. Not really sure if I should stick with paradigm or not but decided I'd poke here first.

Getting a new sub today the Rythmik FV25HP . Looking for more PUNCH w/ the fronts. I listen to about 50/50 movies and music.

What front speakers should I be looking at? Would like to stay around $1,000 or so a speaker (front), will worry about the center later..

Thanks!
Go with Monitor 11v7 fronrs, move you 9s to Surrounds, mini monitors to rear surrounds. You could wall mount your Atoms for Atmos.
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Go with Monitor 11v7 fronrs, move you 9s to Surrounds, mini monitors to rear surrounds. You could wall mount your Atoms for Atmos.
Hey thanks for the reply man I appreciate it! Thing is for the sides I couldn't put towers there as there is no floor space whatsoever. It's a big room but long and narrow. Honestly I don't know how my three kids (dogs) don't knock the towers over now up front lol.

Also I have Canton 880 InCeiling speakers x4 for Atmos.

Hell if I had the 8500h I could do some wide/extra atmos action but yeah.

You think I would really notice a big difference from the 9's to the 11's ?

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Hey thanks for the reply man I appreciate it! Thing is for the sides I couldn't put towers there as there is no floor space whatsoever. It's a big room but long and narrow. Honestly I don't know how my three kids (dogs) don't knock the towers over now up front lol.

Also I have Canton 880 InCeiling speakers x4 for Atmos.

Hell if I had the 8500h I could do some wide/extra atmos action but yeah.

You think I would really notice a big difference from the 9's to the 11's ?

Thanks again!
Probably not with that monster sub in play. In fact now that you have a good sub, you could ditch the towers and get some Prestige 15B's up front. Moving up the chain will be a noticeable upgrade in sound quality. If you're dead set on towers, the Premier 700f's may be worth an audition.
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I've posted this earlier but I'll say it again. I replaced Monitor 11's v6 around 7 months ago with 15B's and a 45C, replaced the Monitor 290. While the overall depth isn't the same the clarity, detail and overall sound stage is much better to my ears. I'm very very happy with them.

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Is the Center 3 V7 a good match for the older Monitor speakers? I would like to move to a 3 way center as I've heard they are much better than the old MTM designs. There's a good deal on a demo unit near me. Also looking at a used Studio Cc 490. I'm limited to 23.5" width and about 9" height with my current TV stand. Are there any other good options with these size restrictions? I feel my CC 370 sounds boxy and starts to sound strained at higher volumes.
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For those with the P80-IWs or E80-IWs, did you put anything behind speaker inside the wall? Fiberglass insulation? Foam board? Baffle? Etc.
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Is the Center 3 V7 a good match for the older Monitor speakers? I would like to move to a 3 way center as I've heard they are much better than the old MTM designs. There's a good deal on a demo unit near me. Also looking at a used Studio Cc 490. I'm limited to 23.5" width and about 9" height with my current TV stand. Are there any other good options with these size restrictions? I feel my CC 370 sounds boxy and starts to sound strained at higher volumes.
Is your current center stuffed in a cubby hole or cabinet cut out or sitting on top of the cabinet under the TV?

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Is your current center stuffed in a cubby hole or cabinet cut out or sitting on top of the cabinet under the TV?
It is in my TV stand, the back is wide open. I have it pulled forward so the front is outside of the stand, and it is angled up toward the listening position.
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It is in my TV stand, the back is wide open. I have it pulled forward so the front is outside of the stand, and it is angled up toward the listening position.
As an experiment, set it on top of the cabinet and see if you notice an improvement. Even if it partially blocks out the TV at least you'll have ruled out a placement issue. You may not need a new center.

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I've found some great deals on a whole set of Paradigm speakers to update my theatre room.


I was running a mix of different speakers for everything. I had Sinclair Audio for the Front Towers, Paradigm Monitor Center 3 v7 for the Center, Athena Book Shelf speakers for the rear and 4 Klipsch in the ceiling. PSB powered Sub.



I can't wait to set up the new speakers and give things a listen. I hope this whole set will serve me well.


I now have the following speaker setup.


Monitor 11 v7 for the Fronts. (2 Units)

Monitor Center 3 V7 (1 Unit)

Monitor Surround 3 Bi-Directional for the Rears (2 Units)

P65-R Pro Ceiling speakers. (4 Units)


All powered by a Denon AVR-X6400H


I'm hoping to maintain the timbre across the soundstage.
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I've found some great deals on a whole set of Paradigm speakers to update my theatre room.


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I now have the following speaker setup.


Monitor 11 v7 for the Fronts. (2 Units)

Monitor Center 3 V7 (1 Unit)

Monitor Surround 3 Bi-Directional for the Rears (2 Units)

P65-R Pro Ceiling speakers. (4 Units)


All powered by a Denon AVR-X6400H


I'm hoping to maintain the timbre across the soundstage.
That's almost exactly what I had. But I had 9's up front, Surround 3's for sides and Atom's for rears.
It was pretty fricken awesome!
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That's almost exactly what I had. But I had 9's up front, Surround 3's for sides and Atom's for rears.
It was pretty fricken awesome!

Finally going to unbox everything tonight and set it all up. Can't wait.
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For those with the P80-IWs or E80-IWs, did you put anything behind speaker inside the wall? Fiberglass insulation? Foam board? Baffle? Etc.
I have rockwool. I left a "reasonable" amount of space so that it does not intrude on the speaker (Elite E65-R). These suckers do a pretty good job.
I also have a pair of the Elite E80-A, but I built boxes for those and attached them to the wall with no insulation in the box.

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I have rockwool. I left a "reasonable" amount of space so that it does not intrude on the speaker (Elite E65-R). These suckers do a pretty good job.
I also have a pair of the Elite E80-A, but I built boxes for those and attached them to the wall with no insulation in the box.
Did you glue the rockwool to the sheetrock the entire span floor to ceiling between the studs where your speaker was?

You using yours as the rears?
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I lucked out and got a Monitor Center 1 today for my bedroom set-up. With the Monitor line being gone for a while now, I didn't think I'd get a Center 1 to match the Atom's for my front three.
5.1.2 in the bedroom is pretty awesome!
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I am coming off Studio 100v3 which were 91db sensitive and the first thing I noticed is at -40 on the dial which I have my receiver set to on boot up it is clearly more audible with the Prestige. Where I would crank it to -20 for movies, I now have it at -30. That extra 3db of sensitivity really helps. In the end, I could always sell it and make my money back.
Most definitely will not be selling the AMP. First off its gorgeous, heavy, and built like a tank. Looking through the top grill at the innerds is sweet. How does it sound? After running ARC, i popped in a Ready Player One. The amp just make my speakers sing. There is a definite improvement in detail and bass from the 95F and 55C. Time to watch more of my favs.
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Has anyone made the jump from Studio 100v5 to 95F? Or CC690 to 55C? Opinions?

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Has anyone made the jump from Studio 100v5 to 95F? Or CC690 to 55C? Opinions?
There's a couple that have.
I have a deal in the works to go from 60'sv5 and 590, to 85F and 55C.
Got some good advice in this thread.
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I have a deal in the works to go from 60'sv5 and 590, to 85F and 55C.
Got some good advice in this thread.
I've got the bug for an upgrade but wondering if it's worth the fuss. I'll try and setup a demo for the 95F. Nice. Let us know your final thoughts.
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I've got the bug for an upgrade but wondering if it's worth the fuss. I'll try and setup a demo for the 95F. Nice. Let us know your final thoughts.
For me the difference is very apparent and I upgraded from 100v3/690v5 to the 95F/55C. I just added a Rotel 1585 amp to drive my front 3 even though they're 94db sensitive. Overkill probably, but a step up from my Athemn MRX1120.
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For me the difference is very apparent and I upgraded from 100v3/690v5 to the 95F/55C. I just added a Rotel 1585 amp to drive my front 3 even though they're 94db sensitive. Overkill probably, but a step up from my Athemn MRX1120.
What were your most noticeable improvements? Better mids, hi’s, or low’s? Did you lose any impact switching centers?

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For me the difference is very apparent and I upgraded from 100v3/690v5 to the 95F/55C. I just added a Rotel 1585 amp to drive my front 3 even though they're 94db sensitive. Overkill probably, but a step up from my Athemn MRX1120.
What were your most noticeable improvements? Better mids, hi’s, or low’s? Did you lose any impact switching centers?
Better highs without being fatiguing. Better resolution allowing me to hear details in movies that I never heard before. Guess you could say better separation. More Authoritative Bass when using without a sub and nothing lost when switching out centers. Actually more gained and a lot easier to lift. Did I mention these speakers look sexier without the grills.

Now I'm no professional reviewer. The speakers and all my gear are overkill for the room I'm in, so it boils down to set them up, run ARC and listen. As I mentioned the upgrade for me is very apparent. If you can setup and in home demo, give it a shot. I dont think you will be disappointed.
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