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I am in market for a new L/C/R by Paradigms. I know there's an offer for 20% with Paradigms and I love the 95F/55C. I want surrounds too I guess even 25S.

Which Paradigm Studio line and version was considered best in Studio series? Someone's selling 100v4 and someone selling v6. Which do you recommend? Something comparing 95F/55C?


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Studio only went up to v5. Monitor went to v7. Sounds like one of the two is a Monitor 11v6, which I replaced with Studio 100v5s. Studios were a big improvement.
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So I'm still wanting to replace my main speakers. I've always wanted a pair of Studio 60s, but I've been watching used pairs for a couple weeks and they sell so fast. Are the Studio 60s in V3 thru V5 still vastly superior to the Monitor V7? I can get the 11 V7 for a pretty good price. It doesn't sound like the new Premier line is worth it. Is the new Monitor Se 6000F much better than the V7 towers? I want a worthy upgrade from my current Monitor 9s.

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Of course, another to look at it! You spend more on the 95F, but save money on subs!! (And especially is space is an issue). It sounds like you really like the 95s.


Yes!! I'm in love with the 95/55 set. I did a blind audition across 12 models between 75-85-95 and sone Klipsch and couple others. My ears were dead set on 95F. Even the store guy said I'm apparently the first one since the release of Prestige that has actually stayed on 95 throughout the auditions. Many people jump just by listening various options..I kept steady. Lol

Then I sat in the theatre setup powered by Anthem 1120, sound things installed, a proper room with 95/55/25 and Atmos. The sound was unbelievable and I just wanted that entire setup but couldn't due to a condo and not a basement setup.


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Of course, another to look at it! You spend more on the 95F, but save money on subs!! (And especially is space is an issue). It sounds like you really like the 95s.


Possibly a wrong question for the thread but would I experience a difference between Denon AVR-X6400H and Anthem MRX 1120 if I powered the 7.1.4 Atmos setup with these Prestige lineup or similar speaker set? I paid $1700 for Denon and Anthem will double that. Plus I'm not sure if Anthem is on verge of new models.


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Thanks again! I've compared the 85 and 95, and my only thing with 85 is the bass primarily. I was hoping to go to 95 and not have to use a sub because we're in a condo, but I don't know how movies would sound without a sub even if I have a 95/55 set. For music, 2 channel 95 are amazing.


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If you decide to go 85f, I’m selling a set with a 45c. I use a set of SVS subwoofers with them and they are ridiculous. :-)


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Yes I am using two of the B's for rears but actually this is overkill for me. I am thinking about selling the two B's in the rear and getting the 25s for the rears. If I knew that Paradigm wasn't working on some other surrounds to more match the Persona's I would have already done that. I actually did consider three B's for the front with subs. But I loved the sound of the 3f so much I couldn't not get them. If I had lots of money I would have gotten the towers plus the center plus the B's. And been done with it.

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I was torn between Revel and Paradigm when I started to make plans to put together another home theater and I was glad to read your experience with the same speakers. I have experience in the past with both but your assessment I felt was right on target.

I completely understand your logic in going with the 25S as surrounds over using the Persona B's.

After reading the Persona speakers review in Sound and Vision in which the reviewer used the 3f, Center and B's as surrounds, I was pretty much hooked on getting close to that same setup and sound.

I first thought the Persona B's would be an awkward (and expensive) choice for surrounds but the reviewer was amazed at how holographic the sound was; side to side and up and down; that he felt like he was getting Atmos quality effects from just the B's as surrounds. I kind of got the feeling that he felt the B's were the star of the review (just my opinion).

I do feel the need to give the Center a try since I'm mostly home theater and most of a movie comes from there. Plus my biggest pet peeve is that on so many movies, I have a hard time understanding the dialogue. It's probable that the Persona Center is one of best center speakers around at the moment.

If I stick with my intentions, I might be interested in your B's when you get to that point.

Lastly, besides the 3f, did you listen to the 5f or 7f? Just curious.

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So I'm still wanting to replace my main speakers. I've always wanted a pair of Studio 60s, but I've been watching used pairs for a couple weeks and they sell so fast. Are the Studio 60s in V3 thru V5 still vastly superior to the Monitor V7? I can get the 11 V7 for a pretty good price. It doesn't sound like the new Premier line is worth it. Is the new Monitor Se 6000F much better than the V7 towers? I want a worthy upgrade from my current Monitor 9s.
Yes, Studio line is in completely different class than the Monitors v7's. As I read here Premiers are only slightly better than the new Monitor SE's and not really worth the price.

I also plan to upgrade my old Mini monitors v4 to new Monitor SE Atoms and the center to 2000C and I am curious too if the difference will be significant.

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How are the Studio 100v4 and CC690?
In Canadian $$, would $2800 be overpriced for the set? The Servo 15v1 sub is another $700 but I may not need it if the towers have a good bass as 95Fs.

I still haven't auditioned these. Waiting to get a confirmation from Paradigm owners and experts here to advise if this version was or is worth it.




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Possibly a wrong question for the thread but would I experience a difference between Denon AVR-X6400H and Anthem MRX 1120 if I powered the 7.1.4 Atmos setup with these Prestige lineup or similar speaker set? I paid $1700 for Denon and Anthem will double that. Plus I'm not sure if Anthem is on verge of new models.

Well, I'm using the AVM60 with a separate amp. But, we're talking ARC here. Denon gives you Audyssey ARC is arguably the better EQ system. A lot of folks seem to covert from Denon/Marantz to Anthem and really like the change. Not 100%, but definitely skewed towards Anthem's favor. So, there is that to consider. And only Anthem knows if they are about to release a new model. Does the Denon get you other features that you would like to have that the Anthem does not have? If so, and considering the price difference, it would be hard to not consider the Denon!

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How are the Studio 100v4 and CC690?
In Canadian $$, would $2800 be overpriced for the set? The Servo 15v1 sub is another $700 but I may not need it if the towers have a good bass as 95Fs.

I still haven't auditioned these. Waiting to get a confirmation from Paradigm owners and experts here to advise if this version was or is worth it.

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I just went picked these exact speakers up for $1500 for all 3 from guy in Wisc. just 4 days ago. They are absolutely insane sounding and yes the fronts are able to generate a nice clean amount of bass at high volume. It's actually pretty wild what they can do when I'm just in Direct mode on my pre/pro with them.


Version 3's go for $1100-1300 all the time. Im constantly seeing them for that price. The center ranges from $600-800. That being said the v4's go for a little bit more money really but I converted that amount to US dollars and $2100 for 100 and 690 seems high to me but not by tons.


Any version 3. 4 or 5 are worth it if you find good prices, they are really fantastic speakers and I prefer them to the newer lines Paradigm makes bar the Sigs.


EDIT to add I've seen servo 15s for $400-450 several times lately and Ive bought two for people in last month for well under $500

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I doubt Anthem will release a new model within the next year. I think when products start shipping with HDMI 2.1 they will release a new model. Anthem is rarely first out the door with new versions of HDMI, so I bet it will be more than a year
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How are the Studio 100v4 and CC690?
In Canadian $$, would $2800 be overpriced for the set?
The 100v4 listed at $2500 (US) 10 yrs ago.
Another $1250 for the center.
$3750 new (4900CAD), but often discounted.

So that's not a huge discount for used speakers. You can do better, but you have to decide if they are worth it go you.

Some would argue they are better than current models. At least the equal of the 85F. Maybe not as good on lows as the 95F (w/ 8" drivers vs 7" on the 100s).

Same with the CC690 vs the 55C.


for movies I'd get a sub. Probably not the Servo 15, but I'd get a sub (HSU or SVS).
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@ GTDTS How are the Elite in ceilings? I almost bought a pair of those to potentially get ready for an Atmos installation but that would have required upgrading my processor. Baby steps... I think at this point I just want to focus on my speaker and sub upgrade with a potential processor upgrade some time down the road.
Sorry for my delay. I absolutely love the in-wall/in-ceiling speakers. I did not think that I would but they work very well and better than I expected. The timbre of the Elites is the same as the Prestige so no issues there.
I use the smaller in wall for surrounds and the 8" angled for atmos. I listen in stereo by myself, and "All Stereo" when others are there to listen.

Catching up through the thread, I 100% agree with your assessment of the Paradigms. I read reviews and auditioned and settled initially on some Studio 60v5's, which I still have. They are amazing...and the Prestige even more so. I didn't think they could get better, but the Prestige is a cleaner sound without losing its "Paradigm-ness"...if that's possible.
I have family over and we spent last night rocking out. My wife's uncle lives outside the US and it was the first time he heard speakers like that. He's in is 70's and literally got goosebumps. My "music" room is a time-warp. We spend 3 hours in there and it felt like 20 minutes. Great speakers!
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i heard the prestige 15b and the prestige 85 in my search of a new setup for music/movies, i was not much impressed with music playback in a 2.0 or 2.1 setup. There is something wrong with the tweeter for music, the highs dont sound crisp, instead sound borderline edgy and harsh for a premium speaker range, i would take studio 60v5's that i owned few years back (now sold) for music over prestige. With movies the prestige i heard are brilliant, superb sounding even when pushed hard and better than the studio series speakers. However, im looking at a setup that doubles for 55/45 music/movies usage, so im not going with paradigm. I could try persona but at those steep price ranges, there are other brand options available and probably better ones. I enquired about the premier series too, but the dealer personally advised me that if i wasnt too impressed with the music performance of the prestige, then the premier is going to do nothing for me, it is a step down from prestige and has a laid back kind of sound.
I auditioned 6+ brands before deciding on the Prestige...Focal, Martin Logan, Klipse, B&W's high end, Def Tech/Golden Ear...couple others. I did not get to hear the Revel's.
From your description, it reminds me of how mine sound when playing something from a dubious source like Apple Air Play or whatever. I also thought them a bit fatiguing before break in and room correction. I can 100% attest that what you heard does not coincide with my experience.

I can say that the Kef R series is way more laid back than the Prestige's. I auditioned the R-700's on $40,000 equipment and they had a soundstage that was deep and impressive. I ended up purchasing a pair of the LS50 Wireless as it would have its own DAC and more user friendly. In a post a long while back, I wrote what I thought the difference was between KEF and Paradigm...I still believe that this day.

I have had dozens of folks listen to both at my home, and everyone that hears the Prestige's is in complete awe of what they sound like...without fail. It is so bad that we don't open up my office/music room to company anymore because they won't leave. They just keep requesting different songs. Everyone has their opinion, but just know that they warm up over time. As far as reviews go, some I agree, some not so much. I used reviews to help me settle on what to audition. I think this line is just incredible for music...I simply could not be happier.
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It's fun to read about folks enjoying their Prestige series speakers. The consensus
Is that almost everyone agrees they are a great upgrade from the Studio series.

BUT...I haven't read of anyone moving from the Signature series to the Prestige or
Even anyone that has listened and compared the Sigs to the Prestige.

Thoughts?? Obviously (see my signature) I'm an owner of the Sigs with the Be tweeter
And a bit curious.
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It's fun to read about folks enjoying their Prestige series speakers. The consensus
Is that almost everyone agrees they are a great upgrade from the Studio series.

BUT...I haven't read of anyone moving from the Signature series to the Prestige or
Even anyone that has listened and compared the Sigs to the Prestige.

Thoughts?? Obviously (see my signature) I'm an owner of the Sigs with the Be tweeter
And a bit curious.
I think you need to get out there and audition some Prestige so you can tell us!

Back when I was auditioning, my local dealers had already offloaded their Sigs., one place still have a pair, disconnected, that they were eBaying, or something like that. I'm not sure at that point how long they had already been discontinued, but I thought they were still available when Prestige came out? Anyway, no chance to ever hear them, but having seen them, I much prefer the aesthetic of the Prestige (yes, I know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder). Though interestingly, I like the look without grills (Prestige) and the Signature with grills. Go figure.

But you're right, I too don't recall of reading about anybody switching from Sigs to Prestige, so that's gotta say something!

I'd like to know about Sig owners upgrading to Persona, do we have anybody here that has gone that route? I'm sure we do, but I can't recall that either.
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It's fun to read about folks enjoying their Prestige series speakers. The consensus

Is that almost everyone agrees they are a great upgrade from the Studio series.



BUT...I haven't read of anyone moving from the Signature series to the Prestige or

Even anyone that has listened and compared the Sigs to the Prestige.



Thoughts?? Obviously (see my signature) I'm an owner of the Sigs with the Be tweeter

And a bit curious.


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I think you need to get out there and audition some Prestige so you can tell us!

Back when I was auditioning, my local dealers had already offloaded their Sigs., one place still have a pair, disconnected, that they were eBaying, or something like that. I'm not sure at that point how long they had already been discontinued, but I thought they were still available when Prestige came out? Anyway, no chance to ever hear them, but having seen them, I much prefer the aesthetic of the Prestige (yes, I know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder). Though interestingly, I like the look without grills (Prestige) and the Signature with grills. Go figure.

But you're right, I too don't recall of reading about anybody switching from Sigs to Prestige, so that's gotta say something!

I'd like to know about Sig owners upgrading to Persona, do we have anybody here that has gone that route? I'm sure we do, but I can't recall that either.


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I think you need to get out there and audition some Prestige so you can tell us!

Back when I was auditioning, my local dealers had already offloaded their Sigs., one place still have a pair, disconnected, that they were eBaying, or something like that. I'm not sure at that point how long they had already been discontinued, but I thought they were still available when Prestige came out? Anyway, no chance to ever hear them, but having seen them, I much prefer the aesthetic of the Prestige (yes, I know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder). Though interestingly, I like the look without grills (Prestige) and the Signature with grills. Go figure.

But you're right, I too don't recall of reading about anybody switching from Sigs to Prestige, so that's gotta say something!

I'd like to know about Sig owners upgrading to Persona, do we have anybody here that has gone that route? I'm sure we do, but I can't recall that either.
Would be nice, but unfortunately all the brick and mortar audio stores have gone out of business
Here in Arizona. The only dealers listed are 'custom installers' who don't have showrooms. And they are
In Phoenix 3.5 hours from me.

The nearest Showroom is in EL Paso Texas which is a 5 hour drive.

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I auditioned 6+ brands before deciding on the Prestige...Focal, Martin Logan, Klipse, B&W's high end, Def Tech/Golden Ear...couple others. I did not get to hear the Revel's.
That's a bit of a shame, really. Even the cheap Revel's are worth a listen, even if only so you know what they're like. I was close to getting something from the Concerta2 series, but I felt the Prestige 45C was more realistic.
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I auditioned 6+ brands before deciding on the Prestige...Focal, Martin Logan, Klipse, B&W's high end, Def Tech/Golden Ear...couple others. I did not get to hear the Revel's.
From your description, it reminds me of how mine sound when playing something from a dubious source like Apple Air Play or whatever. I also thought them a bit fatiguing before break in and room correction. I can 100% attest that what you heard does not coincide with my experience.

I can say that the Kef R series is way more laid back than the Prestige's. I auditioned the R-700's on $40,000 equipment and they had a soundstage that was deep and impressive. I ended up purchasing a pair of the LS50 Wireless as it would have its own DAC and more user friendly. In a post a long while back, I wrote what I thought the difference was between KEF and Paradigm...I still believe that this day.

I have had dozens of folks listen to both at my home, and everyone that hears the Prestige's is in complete awe of what they sound like...without fail. It is so bad that we don't open up my office/music room to company anymore because they won't leave. They just keep requesting different songs. Everyone has their opinion, but just know that they warm up over time. As far as reviews go, some I agree, some not so much. I used reviews to help me settle on what to audition. I think this line is just incredible for music...I simply could not be happier.
Good that you're happy with the choice but my experience was different.

The prestige simply lacks the crisp treble , the mid soundstage and overall transparency for 2 ch. music playback that other speakers in a similar price range or more expensive can provide. All you're getting is an alumimum dome tweeter with the prestige.

The KEF latest R series (not the older R300/700 models) are not as laid back as older models and were pretty good. The B&W's i auditioned -700 and 800 diamond series- struck a nice balance between crisp highs, more forward sounding mids and overall transparency.

My old monitor audio gold 300 with the ribbon had crisper highs than prestige, the B&W 700 series (702 S2) was a little better and the B&W 800 diamond series (802 D3) easily beat the prestige 85F with the crisp highs and overall transparency. Don't kid yourselves to think the prestige is anywhere close to a 802 D3 with the proper amplification and a good source (though granted it is a more expensive speaker), the persona series might compete with it, but with music i couldn't be sure. That speaker was a musical treat, and it's not paradigm prestige level territory, the sound that speaker was putting out would compete with the higher Wilson Audio, Marten and Zu speakers, IMO.

The speakers i recently auditioned at the dealer with dedicated amplification and using my own red book CD's and a few stereo sacd's (i dont do streaming) included B&W, KEF, Paradigm, Focal, Polk audio..here's how i would rate them for 2 ch. music playback, also including my old Monitor Audio gold 300 added into the mix:

B&W 800>Monitor Audio gold> B&W 700> KEF R series (their latest R series)> KEF LS50> Paradigm Prestige> Focal 9xx> Polk Audio LSiM

That's for 2 ch. music, with movies the paradigm prestige as well as focal rate much higher. It seems paradigm prestige (and also focal) are engineered more with home theater in mind rather than dedicated stereo.

Some people here also recommend Totem Acoustic for music playback, i'm sure that's a great recommendation from what i've read of them and they would rate very highly, but my dealer had no totem speaker in stock, so i could not audition it.

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Eventually from all that i heard, i would like to get the B&W 800 series but they are rather expensive and due to budget limitations, i may have to compromise and settle on the B&W 700 series in the coming days. I have a media room that has to double as a stereo and multichannel system (with music as a priority), if i build another dedicated room for only movies in the future, i may look at paradigm again. For now, no.

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But you're right, I too don't recall of reading about anybody switching from Sigs to Prestige, so that's gotta say something!

I'd like to know about Sig owners upgrading to Persona, do we have anybody here that has gone that route? I'm sure we do, but I can't recall that either.
When I purchased my v3 Sig S6s in 2015, the Prestige line was out. I wasn't cross shopping them but since the 15, 85, and 95 were setup along side the Signature models we did a comparison.

The bass in the Prestige seemed quite good but the treble seemed harsh to my ears. Listened to Ice Cream by Sarah McLachlin and we had to turn the volume down. The Sigs were clearly the better speaker....until the Personas were released.

At the same dealer we did a comparison of Signature (S6 v3) vs Persona (7F). It seemed like a veil had been thrown over the Sigs. It took me a week to enjoy my Sigs again .
Since then I have auditioned the 3, 5, and 9 . All are awesome but I prefer the 5F.



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I auditioned 6+ brands before deciding on the Prestige...Focal, Martin Logan, Klipse, B&W's high end, Def Tech/Golden Ear...couple others. I did not get to hear the Revel's.
From your description, it reminds me of how mine sound when playing something from a dubious source like Apple Air Play or whatever. I also thought them a bit fatiguing before break in and room correction. I can 100% attest that what you heard does not coincide with my experience.

I can say that the Kef R series is way more laid back than the Prestige's. I auditioned the R-700's on $40,000 equipment and they had a soundstage that was deep and impressive. I ended up purchasing a pair of the LS50 Wireless as it would have its own DAC and more user friendly. In a post a long while back, I wrote what I thought the difference was between KEF and Paradigm...I still believe that this day.

I have had dozens of folks listen to both at my home, and everyone that hears the Prestige's is in complete awe of what they sound like...without fail. It is so bad that we don't open up my office/music room to company anymore because they won't leave. They just keep requesting different songs. Everyone has their opinion, but just know that they warm up over time. As far as reviews go, some I agree, some not so much. I used reviews to help me settle on what to audition. I think this line is just incredible for music...I simply could not be happier.
Good that you're happy with the choice but my experience was different.

The prestige simply lacks the crisp treble , the mid soundstage and overall transparency for 2 ch. music playback that other speakers in a similar price range or more expensive can provide. All you're getting is an alumimum dome tweeter with the prestige.

The KEF latest R series (not the older R300/700 models) are not as laid back as older models and were pretty good. The B&W's i auditioned -700 and 800 diamond series- struck a nice balance between crisp highs, more forward sounding mids and overall transparency.

My old monitor audio gold 300 with the ribbon had crisper highs than prestige, the B&W 700 series (702 S2) was a little better and the B&W 800 diamond series (802 D3) easily beat the prestige 85F with the crisp highs and overall transparency. Don't kid yourselves to think the prestige is anywhere close to a 802 D3 with the proper amplification and a good source (though granted it is a more expensive speaker), the persona series might compete with it, but with music i couldn't be sure. That speaker was a musical treat, and it's not paradigm prestige level territory, the sound that speaker was putting out would compete with the higher Wilson Audio, Marten and Zu speakers, IMO.

The speakers i recently auditioned at the dealer with dedicated amplification and using my own red book CD's and a few stereo sacd's (i dont do streaming) included B&W, KEF, Paradigm, Focal, Polk audio..here's how i would rate them for 2 ch. music playback, also including my old Monitor Audio gold 300 added into the mix:

B&W 800>Monitor Audio gold> B&W 700> KEF R series (their latest R series)> KEF LS50> Paradigm Prestige> Focal 9xx> Polk Audio LSiM

That's for 2 ch. music, with movies the paradigm prestige as well as focal rate much higher. It seems paradigm prestige (and also focal) are engineered more with home theater in mind rather than dedicated stereo.

Some people here also recommend Totem Acoustic for music playback, i'm sure that's a great recommendation from what i've read of them and they would rate very highly, but my dealer had no totem speaker in stock, so i could not audition it.

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Eventually from all that i heard, i would like to get the B&W 800 series but they are rather expensive and due to budget limitations, i may have to compromise and settle on the B&W 700 series in the coming days. I have a media room that has to double as a stereo and multichannel system (with music as a priority), if i build another dedicated room for only movies in the future, i may look at paradigm again. For now, no.

Peace.
It’s always interesting to hear opinions and what folks take away from their experiences. I also listened to the B&W’s with my wife and we were both grossly underwhelmed given the asking price. I also auditioned Revel, Focal, GoldenEar, Martin Logan, Scansonic and Wilson. Many great speakers indeed! Some way out of my budget, for example, the Wilson Alexandria with Dan D’Aggostino mono blocks and a dedicated hi res setup. It was a $500k system. It was excellent, but I would never pay those prices even if I had the money to do so. It wasn’t worth the asking price, in my opinion.

Enter the Prestige series. I had to do a double take to ensure I was hearing what I heard after my first listen. Both setups were backed by Anthem gear. I loved them for both music AND home theater! Music was via a pair of 95f stereo and the theater demo was a pair of 85f but I’m not sure of the center. All I know is that with theater, it was a wall of cinematic quality sound. So dynamic, punchy, clear. With music, there was no harshness at all. Very smooth, very sweet! The second audition of the 95f sealed the deal for me.

Again, what works for one not necessarily works for another. For the two channel purists, the Prestige series may not be a first choice. For the home theater enthusiasts, sounds like the Prestige series are a very good choice. For those of us somewhere in the middle, there’s flexibility in having a great home theater system with high potential to have a decent stereo image depending on gear, environment and end user set up aptitude.

I will definitely be sharing my personal experiences in my personal setup once everything arrives and is set up.
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B&W 800 diamond series (802 D3) easily beat the prestige 85F with the crisp highs and overall transparency. Don't kid yourselves to think the prestige is anywhere close to a 802 D3 with the proper amplification and a good source (though granted it is a more expensive speaker), the persona series might compete with it, but with music i couldn't be sure.

You'd kind of expect that for the price difference! I was able to do quite a bit of Diamond listening at my local dealer, and I also think they are a step up from Prestige, but honestly the performance for the entry level compared to Prestige was not worth the difference in price. Moving up the line, yeah, but that's some serious bucks!


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Some people here also recommend Totem Acoustic for music playback, i'm sure that's a great recommendation from what i've read of them and they would rate very highly, but my dealer had no totem speaker in stock, so i could not audition it.

Yeah, that's the problem - not enough Totem dealers! I was quite impressed doing a side by side comparison between the Totem Element Metal and the B&W Diamond D3 803 - which both sounded fantastic on the Classe gear that was driving them. But the Totem just had an etherealness that the B&W lacked, but what was the most surprising was that the B&Ws also had a JL Audio Subwoofer complementing them and the Totems were sub-less, relying only on their Torrent woofers. When the sub was knocked out of the equation, it was clear (to me anyway) that the Totem was the superior bass performer. For $4,000 less for the pair no less. The Element Earth was side by side with the Diamond D3 804 - and at the same price, I'd have gone with the Earth. Not saying that the B&Ws are bad, they're not - but for the money, I'd expect more for the 804 and 803.


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Looking forward to it!

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Having owned Paradigm for the past 20 years from the Original Studio 100v1 to the Studio v5, demoed the Prestige line, and now owning the entire Signature v3 line (except the S2v3), the Signature v3 is Paradigm’s best hands down, no contest, unless you have the funds to persue the Persona line. I’m 80% music/20% movies, so 2ch sound quality is paramount. The Signature V3s are more laid back, the soundstage is wide and from the plane of the speakers and back, unlike their other line of speakers which tend to be more up front in your face, or what others may describe as bright. Imaging is excellent and music is more textured and weighty. Their is a certain rightness with these speakers. I never get listener’s fatigue and can listen for hours and hours. Too bad Paradigm discontinued the Signatures. Would have been perfectly slotted between the Prestige and Personal line. For those who want something better than Prestige, but can’t afford to buy the Persona Line, Signatures would be perfect.
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Too bad Paradigm discontinued the Signatures. Would have been perfectly slotted between the Prestige and Personal line. For those who want something better than Prestige, but can’t afford to buy the Persona Line, Signatures would be perfect.

And that's what I don't understand. Why there was no mid-range between Persona and Prestige. That's a huge jump, and I think there is a serious market for something in between. Then again, maybe that was Paradigm's intent, to really push up to the Persona line. (Or sell a lot more Prestige?) I'm sure they have their reason, but it escapes me......

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And that's what I don't understand. Why there was no mid-range between Persona and Prestige. That's a huge jump, and I think there is a serious market for something in between. Then again, maybe that was Paradigm's intent, to really push up to the Persona line. (Or sell a lot more Prestige?) I'm sure they have their reason, but it escapes me......


The price ladder jumps too much between Prestiges and Personas. Even in the Prestige line, the price seems to jump (ofcourse not by 1000s). I'd be happy with 95/55 lol. Would love to hear Signature / Studio 100v# series.


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With all the Paradigm owners here I'm wondering if you could give some opinions on a fair market value for studio 100's V3 (have 4), studio CC-590 and 2 studio ADP 590's...…..and where a good place to advertise would be beyond here.


I have the upgrade bug and I'm adding a MRX 1120 to drive my system and am thinking of starting over on speakers or adding 4 15B's as ATMOS speakers... I know they aren't technically correct but with a correct angle that they would deliver just fine, decisions decisions.
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The price ladder jumps too much between Prestiges and Personas. Even in the Prestige line, the price seems to jump (ofcourse not by 1000s). I'd be happy with 95/55 lol. Would love to hear Signature / Studio 100v# series.
I'd love to see them offer a Be tweeter option in the Prestige line. Better yet, sell it as a refit kit with a new crossover included

Yesterday, I upgraded my side surrounds to 15Bs. Holy moly, wish I did it that way from the start. The ADP-390 v6s I replaced aren't bad or anything, they just don't match the character of the 85F/55C front stage nearly as well as the 15Bs do. The 15B also go much deeper, and you can hear it - they sound much less thin. Even though I have them positioned close, the limited low frequency extension (and higher price!) of the 25S made me go for the bookshelf model, and I am glad I did.

Now, I need to get rid of a bunch of 'extra' Paradigm speakers - I think I have enough to make a whole five channel system.
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I'd love to see them offer a Be tweeter option in the Prestige line. Better yet, sell it as a refit kit with a new crossover included



Yesterday, I upgraded my side surrounds to 15Bs. Holy moly, wish I did it that way from the start. The ADP-390 v6s I replaced aren't bad or anything, they just don't match the character of the 85F/55C front stage nearly as well as the 15Bs do. The 15B also go much deeper, and you can hear it - they sound much less thin. Even though I have them positioned close, the limited low frequency extension (and higher price!) of the 25S made me go for the bookshelf model, and I am glad I did.



Now, I need to get rid of a bunch of 'extra' Paradigm speakers - I think I have enough to make a whole five channel system.


I know! Include it as a refit or sell it as a refit separately (at an affordable price). Or sell Prestige 75/85/95F and Prestige 75/85/95FBe lol..

I am curious to know what you have and where you're located (for your spare Paradigms)

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