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Does a shelf not work for your CC-290?
I have been thinking about that idea, but the design has this TV over fireplace and 9 inches + change for the Center channel width puts the TV much too high. Additionally the speaker is heavy so pushing it in and out of the shelf will require too much engineering (both for support and stability) and cost.

I could possibly put the speaker over the TV, but that puts that beast 20 inches from the ceiling, and the sound may be compromised because of reflections from the ceiling,

Hence the research :/

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I have been thinking about that idea, but the design has this TV over fireplace and 9 inches + change for the Center channel width puts the TV much too high. Additionally the speaker is heavy so pushing it in and out of the shelf will require too much engineering (both for support and stability) and cost.

I could possibly put the speaker over the TV, but that puts that beast 20 inches from the ceiling, and the sound may be compromised because of reflections from the ceiling,

Hence the research :/

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I will seem harsh, but don't understand why if you renovated you didn't plan ahead for NOT having the TV above a fireplace. I see that all the time and scratch my head. Of course in many cases there's just no other place to put it, but it's never a good idea to have to look up to the TV and doing it always seems to create more problems than it solves. If I could have a fireplace I would surely make it alone to be the sole focal point on that wall, and put TV entertainment elsewhere altogether.
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I will seem harsh, but don't understand why if you renovated you didn't plan ahead for NOT having the TV above a fireplace. I see that all the time and scratch my head. Of course in many cases there's just no other place to put it, but it's never a good idea to have to look up to the TV and doing it always seems to create more problems than it solves. If I could have a fireplace I would surely make it alone to be the sole focal point on that wall, and put TV entertainment elsewhere altogether.
Agreed, that is why when i built my first house, a townhouse, i had them remove the fireplace. The living room was much too small for the fireplace and a modern TV. In my current house we put the fireplace 10 feet to the left of the TV but it is a wide wall so it worked out. It could be snigdhendu wanted a fireplace and this was the best choice despite the issues it causes with TV and home theater.

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I will seem harsh, but don't understand why if you renovated you didn't plan ahead for NOT having the TV above a fireplace. I see that all the time and scratch my head. Of course in many cases there's just no other place to put it, but it's never a good idea to have to look up to the TV and doing it always seems to create more problems than it solves. If I could have a fireplace I would surely make it alone to be the sole focal point on that wall, and put TV entertainment elsewhere altogether.
Agreed in the height of the TV for sure is a pain in the neck

However, this is a 60's home and budget limits us from tearing it all down and rebuilding to modern aesthetics. The TV may not be installed, and we have a projector screen that will have to do. We just cannot make a permanent screen on the wall, so we have a concealed screen. For perspective, we have a Panasonic PT-AE900 from mid 2000.

The real issue that I am facing is the depth of the speaker (12 inches approx) and weight (20lb +). To build a niche around it makes the opening a little over 9 inches and that on top of a linear fireplace is certainly failing the WAF.

As more speakers are getting slimmer (even from Paradigm), I was wondering if I could use a Millenia 30 as the center channel (or use the LCR-IW that seems to fit nicely in the framing) and not get annoyed every time the sound moves from my Studio 20s to the center channel

Appreciate the ideas - please keep them coming.

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It could be snigdhendu wanted a fireplace and this was the best choice despite the issues it causes with TV and home theater.
Exactly. The wall is only 160 inches wide and we have a built in chimney (that we are not dismantling) smack bang in the middle of the room. The design allows for a TV with a width less than 40 inches to be installed on either side (and a height of 27 inches from floor), but that will not work at all with the external speakers

The other option is to use the angled in-ceiling speakers - but I am suspicious that I will always hear the voice of God every time Brad Pitt emotes ...
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The real issue that I am facing is the depth of the speaker (12 inches approx) and weight (20lb +). To build a niche around it makes the opening a little over 9 inches and that on top of a linear fireplace is certainly failing the WAF.


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How about contacting Paradigm and ask what they think is a good on wall match for your current LR. The other option would be all new on walls if the budget allows. Maybe the slimmer on walls would be WAF friendly.

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How about contacting Paradigm and ask what they think is a good on wall match for your current LR. The other option would be all new on walls if the budget allows. Maybe the slimmer on walls would be WAF friendly.
That is a great suggestion - I have sent them email. Lets see what they may have to say

I can get new slim speakers like the Paradigm Millenium 30 for the walls (LCR), not sure they have sound comparable to the Studio 20's for music - which is my primary use case (80%). Hearing them for 20 minutes at a local dealer will not do them justice. Would be great to hear from anyone who made similar changes and wht they think of the slim speakers.

I do not think my SVS-12 Sub crossed over at 120 will sound good - and that is the big ticket item from Paradigm,

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I just upgraded my projection screen from a 92" to a 106" screen. Only negative is that I need a new center channel stand. I only have 23" clearance under the screen and my Paradigm Signature C5 center channel is 9.5". So, I need a stand that is at most 13" tall. Acoustically transparent screen is not an option (I needed a retractable ALR screen, and acoustic transparency is not an option).

Anyway, the best option so far that I've seen is the custom-made Sound Anchors Studio Center stand:

http://soundanchors.com/products/2082/studio-center

They can customize the height, width, and depth. Stand can also be tilted. Main issue is cost (although not much more than the J-18C).
Given how big the Signature C5 speaker is (and how heavy it is), this seems like a good option.

Is there anyone with Paradigm center channels that have this stand? Anyone have other stand suggestions?
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That is a great suggestion - I have sent them email. Lets see what they may have to say

I can get new slim speakers like the Paradigm Millenium 30 for the walls (LCR), not sure they have sound comparable to the Studio 20's for music - which is my primary use case (80%). Hearing them for 20 minutes at a local dealer will not do them justice. Would be great to hear from anyone who made similar changes and wht they think of the slim speakers.

I do not think my SVS-12 Sub crossed over at 120 will sound good - and that is the big ticket item from Paradigm,

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Those Studio 20’s are great speakers for music. If you have a zone AVR make one of the zones just for the Studio’s even if they are in the same room. I’ll be curious to hear what Paradigm suggest and what you end up doing. Keep us posted and good luck.

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Hey all. Looking for information. I have a chance to but some 7s monitors. Back labels almost hand made. Price is 85.00 bucks with stands. However I can't find any info on these. Loosest I can find is they might have been early reference line. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hey all. Looking for information. I have a chance to but some 7s monitors. Back labels almost hand made. Price is 85.00 bucks with stands. However I can't find any info on these. Loosest I can find is they might have been early reference line. Any help would be appreciated.
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Those Studio 20’s are great speakers for music. If you have a zone AVR make one of the zones just for the Studio’s even if they are in the same room. I’ll be curious to hear what Paradigm suggest and what you end up doing. Keep us posted and good luck.
Totally agree - They are staying, and even my wiser half insists on that. If I cannot solve the center channel problem, then it will be a phantom center - For my use it works (and the TV gets to be about 36 inches off the floor)

So far Paradigm has been silent - I will call them Monday to see if they have some suggestions

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Setting up 2 Paradigm Millenia Sub Woofers

I recently added a second Paradigm Millenia Sub to my 5.1 surround system and I am looking for some help in setting them up. I placed them both upfront using the 1/4-3/4 distance along the front wall next to my floor standers.

I used my SPL meter and a Sub Woofer test CD to take some measurements.

The measurements below seem to indicate the lower frequency's are much higher than the higher frequencies as I went up the scale where it evened out.

Measurements taken with all of the AVR Dynamic EQ and dynamic volume turned off.

Taken at -40db volume.

31hz = 62 SPL
40hz = 45 SPL
50hz = 62 SPL
63hz = 50 SPL
80hz = 55 SPL and above leveled off at 55 and stayed there up through 250hz

Why are the lower frequencies so uneven? Any feedback is welcome.

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Paradigm Perfect Bass Kit

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Not sure if this is the correct forum so please re direct. I am looking for some help using the Paradigm Perfect Bass kit. I have it connected using the USB cable and it does the 5 position measurement fine however when uploading the new curve to the sub it keeps coming up with a error message saying it lost the connection. I have to unplug the power and the USB from the sub and re try to upload and at about 70% it loses the connection?

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I'm not familiar with PBK, but have used older versions of ARC.

Is that just a USB cable between the computer and the sub?

Have you tried a different cable? Maybe a shorter one?
A different port on the computer?

ARC was/is really picky about USB to RS232 converters. It also didn't like USB3 ports.

What you describe happened often with some USB to RS232 converters.
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I have been extremely happy with my Prestige setup. I have 95f’s with the 55c and 25s surrounds. Originally I was running a Yamaha CX-A5100 with an outboard Sunfire TGA-7401 amplifier. I thought this sounded very good until I got rid of my separates and went with an Anthem MRX-1120. I also have a PSA S3611 in the mix and all I can say is WOW!!! The Anthem, with ARC, smokes the Yamaha in every way. The Yamaha/Sunfire combo was no slouch but Anthem is definitely next level.

I had auditioned everything from Revel F208, Martin Logan, B&W, Focal and Golden Ear. There may be others that I’m forgetting. The Paradigms were consistently awesome at every demo. The rest were good but didn’t leave me overly impressed. I love them even more now that I have them at home. I’ve had these now since October and have stopped looking at other speakers wondering “what if.” My best speaker purchase to date, hands down!
I have the 85F, 55C, 15B setup with PSB Alpha A1s for Top Front and Alpha P3s for Top Rear. I am going to build a Mini-Marty for LFE and bass. I have an MRX 720 with a Monoprice 2x100W amp for the top rears and an INuke 3kDSP for the sub. Right now, I have a 12" Energy sub, and I actually get good bass down to 30Hz using ARC.
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Those Studio 20’s are great speakers for music. If you have a zone AVR make one of the zones just for the Studio’s even if they are in the same room. I’ll be curious to hear what Paradigm suggest and what you end up doing. Keep us posted and good luck.
Paradigm Customer support has responded with the suggestion that the Millenia series is timbre matched and voiced similar to the Studio as they belong to the same family (Paradigm reference)

So with a good subwoofer that can play around 120 Hz, I should be in good shape

My current plan is to now to use the Millenia 30 as the center channel, use a monoprice 8 or 10 inch slim subwoofer for the 80-120 Hz range and use the other subwoofer out of the Integra to drive the SVS 12 crossover set to 80 Hz.

Hoping that the room correction software will help with the multiple subwoofer settings - only time will tell

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Paradigm Customer support has responded with the suggestion that the Millenia series is timbre matched and voiced similar to the Studio as they belong to the same family (Paradigm reference)

So with a good subwoofer that can play around 120 Hz, I should be in good shape

My current plan is to now to use the Millenia 30 as the center channel, use a monoprice 8 or 10 inch slim subwoofer for the 80-120 Hz range and use the other subwoofer out of the Integra to drive the SVS 12 crossover set to 80 Hz.

Hoping that the room correction software will help with the multiple subwoofer settings - only time will tell

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Glad they responded with a suggestion for you.

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My current plan is to now to use the Millenia 30 as the center channel, use a monoprice 8 or 10 inch slim subwoofer for the 80-120 Hz range and use the other subwoofer out of the Integra to drive the SVS 12 crossover set to 80 Hz.
I'd be surprised if the SVS couldn't handle up to 120 with ease.

I'd at least try it before buying a 2nd.
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I'd be surprised if the SVS couldn't handle up to 120 with ease.

I'd at least try it before buying a 2nd.
SVS does have a great return policy.

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SVS does have a great return policy.
I was talking about trying the SVS up to 120Hz before buying a Monoprice 2nd sub to cover 80-120Hz.

How does SVS's return policy play here?
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Just made the change to the Prestige 95F/55C front stage with 15Bs for surrounds. Marantz 7012/7025 is powering everything and they sound great and it should have enough power, but my curiosity for future upgrades is certainly there.


Anthem will be coming out with new processors next year and that's really when I'll be thinking about doing this. But I'm curious who has directly compared the Marantz sound versus the Anthem and Emotiva sound. If I made the change I would prefer to go with the Emotiva 11 ch amp (3 high powered channels) with Anthem processing. I'm specifically asking if there is a drastic change in the quality and type of sound.

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Just made the change to the Prestige 95F/55C front stage with 15Bs for surrounds. Marantz 7012/7025 is powering everything and they sound great and it should have enough power, but my curiosity for future upgrades is certainly there.


Anthem will be coming out with new processors next year and that's really when I'll be thinking about doing this. But I'm curious who has directly compared the Marantz sound versus the Anthem and Emotiva sound. If I made the change I would prefer to go with the Emotiva 11 ch amp (3 high powered channels) with Anthem processing. I'm specifically asking if there is a drastic change in the quality and type of sound.
I have the 85F/55C/15B combo with PSB Alpha speakers as heights. I'm coming from a Pioneer Elite AVR to an MRX 720, and the upgrade is substantial. ARC > MCACC every day of the week...
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I was talking about trying the SVS up to 120Hz before buying a Monoprice 2nd sub to cover 80-120Hz.

How does SVS's return policy play here?
My mistake, misunderstood.
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For around $1000 i'd look at the 15" offerings from PSA, HSU, Rythmik or Monolith.
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That REL is sealed, so I'd be looking for a sealed sub to go with it. That rules out the Paradigm V/X series. I'd be thinking about a PSA S1510, or a pair of their upcoming sealed 12s if you can wait a few months. That, or ditch the REL and just grab a PSA V1510 or Hsu VTF3 Mk5.
Thank you, I think I am going to go with the PSA S1510, will be ordering tomorrow


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They'd be decent for Atmos, sure, but I'd spend just a bit more and look at the P65-R. The smaller size will be just fine, and the price doesn't jump up that much, but you'll get an overall better performing speaker. Will you notice? Maybe, maybe not.
I just placed an order for the P-65R's, thank you both.
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I'd be surprised if the SVS couldn't handle up to 120 with ease.

I'd at least try it before buying a 2nd.
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SVS does have a great return policy.
I will try it for sure before spending more - dollars are scarce after a remodel. It is a 2006 design and I never really played it at anything above 80 as the studio 20 was perfect for my needs.
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SVS does have a great return policy.
They are 12-13 years beyond the return period

In any case, they are so heavy that I do not want to move them once I have set them up
They are surprisingly musical and I would not return them -

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I have the 85F/55C/15B combo with PSB Alpha speakers as heights. I'm coming from a Pioneer Elite AVR to an MRX 720, and the upgrade is substantial. ARC > MCACC every day of the week...
I have a Marantz 7013 that powered 4 speaker system. Two towers and two in ceiling Pro series.
I added the center and two ATMOS all paradigm in ceiling speakers for a total of 7.
I purchased the emotiva A-700 to take much of the load off the Marantz. Now the Marantz powers only the two front towers.
I can't tell at lower levels. Room correction was spot on. I run the EQ flat and don't let the Marantz roll off the highs.

I did have an Onkyo running a 5 speaker prestige/elite set up in a small room. Upgraded to the Gen 2 Emotiva 3 channel for the L/R/C. Warmed up a good bit. Much more solid sound...especially at high levels and better vocals.

Apparently, it all comes down to room correction for the processor. Keep us posted. I'd like to understand why people think the Anthem is that much better. I believe them, I just don't understand why it sounds better.

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Good day folks,

I have a timbre question for the Paradigm gurus if anyone could take the time.

Recently picked up a beautiful pair of Paradigm Eclipse Monitor Series speakers. I will be using them as the front channel for my HT system and would invite any center channel recommendations. I am in the process of building a custom HT room so shelf space etc will not be a concern.

Thanks in advance to those who take the time to reply.
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