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I’m looking at buying this package:

Paradigm Monitor 11 v7 black / pair

Paradigm Center 3 v7 black

Paradigm Surround 3 v7 black / pair

Paradigm Monitor Sub12 black

Is a Denon AVR-X1600H 7.2 Channel High-Power 4K AV Receiver a good match?


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Is a Denon AVR-X1600H 7.2 Channel High-Power 4K AV Receiver a good match?
Denon's 80 wpc won't be very loud. It'll drive the speakers fine.

If the room is relatively small, it'll be OK. But you won't get reference kevels in a larger room.
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I do have a larger room. Which has (22’ at the peak) a vaulted ceiling (20’w x 25’L x 22’H)What would be recommended?


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I do have a larger room. Which has (22’ at the peak) a vaulted ceiling (20’w x 25’L x 22’H)What would be recommended?


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get an avr with pre-outs and a good 7 channel ext amp
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Ya. That would be breaking the budget. Trying to stay under 1000

Would 105W at 8Ohms cut it?


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Ya. That would be breaking the budget. Trying to stay under 1000

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diff from 80 watts, to 105 is not really even noticeable.
you have to double watts to really hear the diff
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I do have a larger room. Which has (22’ at the peak) a vaulted ceiling (20’w x 25’L x 22’H)What would be recommended?


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More and bigger subwoofers. You need to double the Watts to gain 3dB in SPL. An increase of 10dB is considered twice as loud. You have a huge volume of room to pressurize, and a single sub simply won't cut it.
Look at HSU, PSA, JTR, Rhythmic, Outlaw, etc for subs - they are all Internet Direct companies that specialize is subwoofers and give you MUCH more "boom" for your buck than consumer speaker brands.
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I’m looking at buying this package:

Paradigm Monitor 11 v7 black / pair

Paradigm Center 3 v7 black

Paradigm Surround 3 v7 black / pair

Paradigm Monitor Sub12 black

Is a Denon AVR-X1600H 7.2 Channel High-Power 4K AV Receiver a good match?


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If the AVR has pre-outs you can always add an external amp later if you feel you need it. I'm betting you will be happy without. Good starting system. Best to max out on the speakers for starter system as the speakers won't go out of date like your AVR.

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Thanks for all these tips guys! I appreciate it!


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I have a CC290 v3 center and Pioneer AJ floors but I have a chance to get a DT BP-10B wondering if I should get that instead of my AJ and would that work well with my paradigm center? I use it only for HT
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Denon's 80 wpc won't be very loud. It'll drive the speakers fine.

If the room is relatively small, it'll be OK. But you won't get reference kevels in a larger room.
How do you figure? Those speakers have a sensitivity of 93 dB/1W.

2W = 96dB
4W = 99dB
8W = 102dB
16w = 103dB
32W = 106dB
64w = 109dB

80W will get him to about 110dB with those speakers.

Doubling it will only get him 3 more. What do you consider reference level if 110 ear splitting decibels isn't it? External amps are overrated unless you have a very, very specific need.
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How do you figure?

80W will get him to about 110dB with those speakers.
Experience with mass market AVR brands like Denon tells me that it won't perform like that.

My current 135wpc Pioneer AVR is not as loud driving the same speakers as my old Anthem AVR (80wpc). It is really no louder than the prior 100wpc 5ch Pioneer (just adds channels, HDMI, etc) which was also less loud than the Anthem (Anthem didn't do 4k and newer Anthem was out of budget)

That's not even touching on the sub/bass issues with a room that size which greatly affects the perceived loudness.


Also, that sensitivity measure is at 1m and in a anechoic room. Real listening distance and real rooms affect that. 2m away the SPL is 1/4 (down 6dB)what it was at 1m. So if you had 100dB at 1 m, it's only 94dB at 2m.
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...Experience with mass market AVR brands like Denon tells me that it won't perform like that...

...That's not even touching on the sub/bass issues with a room that size which greatly affects the perceived loudness...


...Also, that sensitivity measure is at 1m and in a anechoic room. Real listening distance and real rooms affect that. 2m away the SPL is 1/4 (down 6dB)what it was at 1m. So if you had 100dB at 1 m, it's only 94dB at 2m...
Perhaps you have a point with the ratings vs real-world performance, but there are bench tests that will tell you those numbers. The 93dB figure I cited btw was Room Sensitivity, not anechoic.

Fair point re: bass issues with the huge room. Sounds like his budget won't let him get there quite yet. Someone advised him to purchase something with a full set of pre-outs so that he has room to grow power-wise down the road. This is very sound advice.

Another thing to consider is to buy a 1 release older version of a higher end AVR. That's what I did. When I purchased my Denon, the Denon AVR-X4300H was selling for almost exactly half the price as the (then) brand new AVR-X4400H. Feature difference was minimal, and mine still came with a full factory warranty.

Accessories4less is another avenue for him to explore.

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How do you figure? Those speakers have a sensitivity of 93 dB/1W.

2W = 96dB
4W = 99dB
8W = 102dB
16w = 103dB
32W = 106dB
64w = 109dB

80W will get him to about 110dB with those speakers.

Doubling it will only get him 3 more. What do you consider reference level if 110 ear splitting decibels isn't it? External amps are overrated unless you have a very, very specific need.
I hear ya...but the Denon Amp is not 80 watts per channel X 7 channels. It is 80 wpc X 2 Channels. That's 160 total watts.
160 total watts divided by all 7 channels is 22.8 watts max...of course if all 7 channels are calling for max power, which can be rare.

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The paradigms are a good speaker in not only do they sound good, but they have a high sensitivity rating. Still...you can get to 103 db. If you need louder (I also side with clearer), as another poster said, you can get a Receiver with pre-outs and get an Amp later. Typically folks look at driving the center and the two main towers with an external amp to start if funds are limited and let the Receiver drive the surrounds. However, Emotiva is running a great sale right now on factory refurbished 5 and 7 channel amps in the $500 to $600 range with 80 wpc all channels driven. Because of that deal, I reversed that logic and have by Marantz only driving my two towers and the Emotiva drive all the rest. I have two of these smaller amps and was very surprised at the performance and how quiet they are. FWIW.

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Perhaps you have a point with the ratings vs real-world performance, but there are bench tests that will tell you those numbers...
Someone advised him to purchase something with a full set of pre-outs
The AVR he asked about has 5.1 pre-outs.

Like I said, the 80wpc from Anthem are older than 135wpc from Pioneer. I think that's mostly due to the inflated numbers on most mass market/box boz store AVRs.

Finding bench test results for real power isn't always easy.
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Seismic 110 Sub-Woofer Rattle

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I recently purchased a used 1 owner Seismic 110 Sub-woofer. It appears in pristine condition however I noticed when unboxing it that the round plate on the front that is connected to the driver appears to be loose and rattle when I touch it? I played several different types of movies and it seemed fine until I got to the lower frequencies. When playing Flight of the Phoenix scene where the plane is going down and it starts to spin there is a low frequency hum from the plane and my Seismic started rattling pretty good? I was under the impression this sub could go pretty low without distortion. My little Paradigm Millenia sub does not rattle or distort during that scene?

Before I contact the seller I want to make sure this isn't normal.

If anyone has a seismic 110 I would appreciate some feedback. Does your front plate rattle when you touch it? Does the sub rattle and distort at low frequencies?

Thanks!

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If anyone has a seismic 110 I would appreciate some feedback. Does your front plate rattle when you touch it? Does the sub rattle and distort at low frequencies?

Thanks!

Paul
I have a Seismic 110 and have neither of those issues.

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I have a full Studio V.4 7.1 setup and am thinking about adding Atmos. (4) ceiling speakers. Don't want to spend the $$$ for Paradigms.
Wondering if others have gone with a different brand for their Atmos and what?

Even though I can't believe I'm saying this name, there are a lot of good reviews for the Polk Rt60i speakers, and they are within budget.

Anyone?
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I have a full Studio V.4 7.1 setup and am thinking about adding Atmos. (4) ceiling speakers. Don't want to spend the $$$ for Paradigms.
Wondering if others have gone with a different brand for their Atmos and what?

Even though I can't believe I'm saying this name, there are a lot of good reviews for the Polk Rt60i speakers, and they are within budget.

Anyone?

I went DefTec DI8R, and even those are "expensive" compared to some others that are out there that are well-reviewed. FWIW, I do like the DefTecs, they blend nicely with at least the Prestige line. It's not an absolute (depending on your philosophy), but you do want to at least get speakers with similar characteristics if you can.

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I am suddenly having an issue with my right channel dropping out.
Normally I would just tear every thing down and re-cable it before posting but since I broke my leg two weeks ago, that is a bit difficult.
Any ideas on where I should start looking?
Sometimes just touching the speaker cable going into the speaker causes it to start working again.
They are Prestige 85f's.


The static electricity in this room is pretty bad...I am wondering if that has something to do with it.
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I would ask someone to check the terminal connections at both the AVR and speakers. Just finger-tighten them and check for any possible wire shorts. I doubt the static electricity caused any damage.
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I would ask someone to check the terminal connections at both the AVR and speakers. Just finger-tighten them and check for any possible wire shorts. I doubt the static electricity caused any damage.
Yup, this. It only takes a little strand of stray speaker cable to wreak havoc on the system. That's why I hate bare-wire connections and use Blue Jeans Cable's "Locking Banana Plugs", good quality RCA's and other secure terminations to all cables.
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PARADIGM SALE:

If anyone is interested, Paradigm has a sale on right now. All Monitor SE speakers are 25% off, both the Surround 1 & 3 are 25% off, and 3 of the Defiance subs are 10% off. Just wanted to make sure no-one missed this, as 25% off is a very good deal for Paradigm.

Here's the link: https://www.paradigm.com/en/home-theater-stereo

MAIN HT ROOM PUT ON HOLD & UPGRADING MAN CAVE NOW:

When I get a chance, I will finally make a post and include some pics, etc on both my AV setups. I have a main entertainment room running 7.1 with all Paradigm Studio V5's (Studio 100, cc690, and 4 Studio 20's), and recently got a new new 65" LG OLED C9 TV on sale for CAD $2,499 . I really wanted to get 4 Dolby Atmos height speakers to finally finish off my main AV room, but after moving my flagship Plasma down to my man cave, this decision changed everything and then I switched all my AV funds over to the man cave. Damn, I should have left the old 42" in the man cave...and none of this would have happened. Now I have 2 HT rooms to worry about...lol

Since I spend much more time in my man cave, I then made the decision and upgraded my 20 year old Yamaha AVR to a new Denon AVRX3600 (on sale $799), which got a lot of upgrades and reviews. With hardly any bass in my man cave compared to my SVS PB13 Ultra sub in my main AV room, I then had to upgrade my old Energy XL sub 10" 100w sub to a SVS PB2000 for under CAD $1,000 with isolation feet & SVS sub cable included. I thought I was then done and realized at least my main speakers needed upgrading, especially since I listen to a lot more music now in my man cave. My Energy speakers are ok for HT but not great for music and can get irritating after a couple of hrs, especially when I compare to my perfectly matched Studio V5 speakers in my main HT room. Since the frontstage (3 speakers) are so important and to me need to be matched as well as possible, I decided I would need to upgrade both my main and center speakers.


OTHERS SPEAKER BRANDS:

After checking all other speakers companies, I noticed hardly anyone had 3 way center speakers, and I think a good 3 way center speaker is much better than a 2 way and the center is the most important speaker (70%) due to dialog of HT. Some other 3 way centers are Asperion, ELAC, NHT, but most 3 way center speakers are only 4 or 6 ohms? 8 ohm speakers that I would consider besides the Prestige, are the KEF R line, as the R2c center speaker looks very nice, and the SVS Ultra center also looks nice. The older 8 ohm Polk LSiM and Energy Connosieur speakers are 3 way centers and can be had for good prices now. Anyways, no matter how much I looked, I kept coming back to Paradigm's Prestige speakers. Paradigm's center speaker is what sets them apart from others and I believe they are the leader for best sounding speakers for both HT & music combined.


PREMIER SPEAKERS:

Before settling on the Prestige speakers, I did quickly look at the Premier series, but my local AV store agreed with me that they would be too much of a drop from my Studio V5's. Oh well, there goes the budget again...


LOOKED AT 15B's, then 75F's :

I was originally looking at getting the Prestige 15B bookshelves, since my man cave is very small at just over 13'x8', but I could not resist and just bought a brand new pair of Prestige 75F's (piano black) for a crazy price. I paid only $1,900 CAD/pair, no tax (still double boxed and unbroken seal) with a full warranty, receipt, etc, so could not turn this deal down. Talking to the owner at my AV store and also direct with Paradigm, I was told the 75F's would definitely sound better and fuller than the 15B's, especially for music. This is due to the 2.5 way design, the much larger cabinets, more drivers, etc. Even the cabinet width and depth on the 75F's are much bigger than the 15B's...


75F COMPARED TO 85F/95F:

Here is a review by Audioholics. I agreed with other comments I've seen on this forum that they thought the 85F was the sweet spot for the Prestige floorstanders, and at 1st was hesitant to get the 75F's. However, it looks like you can't go wrong with the 75F's, as this comment and tests are very interesting. Quote "Interestingly, the upper models in the Prestige Series show diminishing returns in this respect since the 85F’s 6.5-inch woofers/midrange and the 95F’s 8-inch woofers/midrange both trade superior bass response for narrower midrange dispersion and a rougher transition to the tweeter. The math is the math and the dispersion/power response at the crossover—all three models cross over at 2.0kHz—gets markedly worse as you go up to the larger models. Oh well.
Here is the Audioholics review link:
https://www.audioholics.com/tower-sp...-system-review

Here's a review by sound and vision of the 75F's. I like their last line "the elevated visuals and ambrosial sonics are worth their weight in gold." Here is the link: https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...speaker-review

I must say I also like that the 75F's have the exact same drivers as both the 55C, 45C center speakers and also the same size drivers as the 15B bookshelves which should match perfectly in a HT or all channel music system.


55C COMPARED TO 45C:

I agree with most comments on this forum that the 55C is a better choice and the way to go compared to the 45C. My local AV store and Paradigm both agreed the 55C is a much better center speaker than the 45C. Paradigm said "with the 55C, you will get better performance and matching towards your floor standing speakers. The 45C is meant for smaller set ups/ more cost effective. If you just compare the specs (low frequency extension & response, max input power, more drivers, bigger cabinet & 1dB higher sensitivity), there is no comparison. If I had not have chose the very large Studio cc690 center speaker for my main HT room, I would have regretted it daily getting the much smaller center speaker. If you can afford and fit the 55C into your HT, I definitely recommend getting it over the 45C. In fact, I'm hoping to get the 55C center speaker (25% off very special deal) in the next 2 weeks, if all goes well...


SURROUNDS (15B, 25S, SURROUND 3, OR OTHER BRAND):

The 15B bookshelves or Prestige 25S surrounds for rears are too expensive for me and overkill for what I really need in my man cave. However, those Paradigm Surround 3's also look nice at 25% off, and would match the 75F and 55C nicely (even same size drivers). I'm not usually a fan of Paradigm's surround speakers, as I like directional speakers like I have used in my main entertainment room, but since my man cave is quite small, and I am only running 5.1.2 max, these would work well. These will work well also if speakers are too close to the listener or you need to place against wall as I do (and most Paradigm speakers have rear ports so need some space) and these will actually fill the room with more surround sound when running only 2 rear speakers. If running a 7.1 or especially a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos system, these will not work well. I usually only watch sports, shows and 5.1 movies in my man cave, so these will work well for this purpose.

As you will note, I am a big Paradigm fan, but I still have a few "WHAT'S UP"?

-Why does Paradigm say 5.5" drivers in the Prestige speakers when they are in fact 5.25". Same with the Studio V5's, Paradigm specs show 7" drivers and they are 6.5" only? Maybe Paradigm thinks this makes their speakers sound like they are bigger & better?

-Why did Paradigm only make 2.5 way floorstanders (3 of them) for the Prestige line, when "all" their other series have 3 way towers (Studios, Persona, Premier, and even their lowest model, the Monitor SE)? I know 2.5 way are less expensive to make, but if the lower end Premier & the Monitors have 3 way standers, why doesn't Prestige?

-When I see 4 ohm or 6 ohm speakers, I move on. What's up with Paradigm saying "COMPATIBLE" with 8 ohm? I know speakers have dips and impedance variance, but what is the "actual nominal impedance". I gather the Paradigm's impedance does not dip below 8 ohms the majority of the time?


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Hopefully soon, I will post my review on the 75F's now that they are broken in, and will also post same for the 55C if I do get it. Although I hope I will never have to do this, I will provide my comments if I would swap or sale my Studio V5 speakers for the newer Prestige speakers on an upcoming "ROD'S BLOG".


Damn, this was going to be a quick post, I bought some new speakers...lol

NOTE: These comments are solely from Rod's Blog and personal opinions only. In no way are they to be considered professional comments or influencing in any way...


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I just checked with Paradigm regarding their speaker sale. They replied, "there is no definite end date but it's a Spring sale so most likely will end sometime after March"


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Yup, this. It only takes a little strand of stray speaker cable to wreak havoc on the system. That's why I hate bare-wire connections and use Blue Jeans Cable's "Locking Banana Plugs", good quality RCA's and other secure terminations to all cables.

I am using Blue Jeans Cable banana plug cables.

But I have a friend/neighbor coming over Saturday and we plan on getting to the bottom of this.
I'll let you guys know how it turns out.
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I am using Blue Jeans Cable banana plug cables.

But I have a friend/neighbor coming over Saturday and we plan on getting to the bottom of this.
I'll let you guys know how it turns out.
I have had good luck with Crutchfield speaker cables. They are 14-gauge oxygen-free copper wire w/braided cable and pre-installed gold-plated banana connectors & colour coded for easy install. They are only CAD $21.99 (6FT) / USD $14.99 or CAD $24.99 (10FT) / USD $19.99, no tax and shipped to your door. Hard to beat these for the price.


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They are only CAD $21.99 (6FT) / USD $14.99 or CAD $24.99 (10FT) / USD $19.99, no tax and shipped to your door. Hard to beat these for the price.
I'd hate to do my 30ft+ surrounds runs with those expensive wires.

12 awg Monoprice cable, $50 for 100ft.
Mediabridge banana plugs, $25 for 12 pairs.

That'd be less than $10 for a 10ft run, $7 for 6ft.
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I'd hate to do my 30ft+ surrounds runs with those expensive wires.

12 awg Monoprice cable, $50 for 100ft.
Mediabridge banana plugs, $25 for 12 pairs.

That'd be less than $10 for a 10ft run, $7 for 6ft.
Not sure what you mean, in the AV world, for pre-made wires, they are "NOT" expensive and are very reasonably priced, especially for the quality. Now these pre-made cables are expensive: https://www.crutchfield.ca/p_703T425...foot-pair.html

I do not use these pre-made speaker cables for my surrounds or heights, so cost is not that much. Many people just like using higher quality speaker wires/cables on their 2 front main speakers, or even the all important center channel. These pre-made high quality speaker cables are perfect for this type of application or any 2 channel stereo system when you don't need 100ft of speaker wire and a box full of banana plugs.

I do agree if you want to have banana plugs on all your speaker wires, including surrounds, heights, etc, and don't mind making your own, then any pre-made speaker cables are not the best option, due to price adding up quickly. Also keep in mind, some people cannot even use banana plugs on the rears, especially if surrounds are mounted against the rear &/or side wall(s), and most cannot use banana plugs on their height speakers. If 4 surrounds and 4 height speakers, that could be 8 speakers not able to use banana plugs on (at least the speaker end that is)...

I also agree the Monoprice wire is good quality, as I use myself (surrounds, heights, etc). Monoprice also has good prices on their pre-made speaker cables, but have shipping costs, taxes, etc, if you are Canadian. The most important thing to get is oxygen-free pure copper wire (at least 99.9%) and that the wire is thick enough for your application (14 gauge is all that is needed and easier to hide, etc, unless over 30ft, then need 12 gauge...)

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Not sure what you mean, in the AV world, for pre-made wires, they are "NOT" expensive and are very reasonably priced, especially for the quality. Now these pre-made cables are expensive: https://www.crutchfield.ca/p_703T425...foot-pair.html

I do not use these pre-made speaker cables for my surrounds or heights, so cost is not that much. Many people just like using higher quality speaker wires/cables on their 2 front main speakers, or even the all important center channel. These pre-made high quality speaker cables are perfect for this type of application or any 2 channel stereo system when you don't need 100ft of speaker wire and a box full of banana plugs.

I do agree if you want to have banana plugs on all your speaker wires, including surrounds, heights, etc, and don't mind making your own, then any pre-made speaker cables are not the best option, due to price adding up quickly. Also keep in mind, some people cannot even use banana plugs on the rears, especially if surrounds are mounted against the rear &/or side wall(s), and most cannot use banana plugs on their height speakers. If 4 surrounds and 4 height speakers, that could be 8 speakers not able to use banana plugs on (at least the speaker end that is)...

I also agree the Monoprice wire is good quality, as I use myself (surrounds, heights, etc). Monoprice also has good prices on their pre-made speaker cables, but have shipping costs, taxes, etc, if you are Canadian. The most important thing to get is oxygen-free pure copper wire (at least 99.9%) and that the wire is thick enough for your application (14 gauge is all that is needed and easier to hide, etc, unless over 30ft, then need 12 gauge...)
I have all Sewell pre-made 12 gauge cables with banana plugs. I got them before Sewell increased prices and they work fine. I think I paid like $1/ft for the 6ft and a little less for the 50 footers. I used all 12 gauge to make things simple and easy. Didn't need it for the 6ft but I did anyway. Prior to that I was using some 16 gauge ugly a$$ monster cable which also worked fine but I didn't have enough for the longer runs so replaced all at once.
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I have all Sewell pre-made 12 gauge cables with banana plugs. I got them before Sewell increased prices and they work fine. I think I paid like $1/ft for the 6ft and a little less for the 50 footers. I used all 12 gauge to make things simple and easy. Didn't need it for the 6ft but I did anyway. Prior to that I was using some 16 gauge ugly a$$ monster cable which also worked fine but I didn't have enough for the longer runs so replaced all at once.
The Sewell pre-made cables do look good quality. It looks like they have sure gone up in price since you bought them (now CAD $60 for 10ft). Are these "Silverback" cables the same as what you are using? link: https://www.amazon.ca/Silverback-Spe...949163764&th=1

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