Originally Posted by John LeClair
Thank you very much. I really appreciate the response.
My goals are to maximize sound quality using my existing front stage (I don't want to start from scratch). My budget is flexible given i am looking for used speakers. Not saying it is unlimited but i want it to be nice. My local dealer was recommending the prestige 25s x4 but i am not convinced that will achieve my goal. I have the paradigm stand for the CC690 and it ran me about $500 USD. As a result, i figured the cash outlay for used 20s and the J-29 stand would basically be the same as a pair of used 100s.
To confirm, i would not recognize a difference between 100s or 20s for the sides and rear sound given the cross over setting? If that is true then i guess the 4 20s should be my target purchase. In your experience do these come up for sale on the used market very often? I see three offerings currently for 10s two black and one rosenut. The rosenut ask is $950 without stands which seems high to me. I am not usually a used equipment guy but appreciate the need given my goal to match the v5's. Any additional thoughts or advice?
No problem at all. By the way, great name John LeClair, especially if you are a hockey fan...
Since you already have the Studio V5 100 towers and cc690 center, I agree maximize your existing front stage with new rear speakers, especially when your existing front stage is so good and would be hard to beat for any home theater system. I would do the exact same thing if I were you. I have the newer Prestige system (75F's & 55C, + 15B's on order) in my man cave and absolutely love them, but would never get rid of my larger Studio V5's (100 towers, cc690 & 4 Studio 20's), as they absolutely rock for a home theater.
Using towers for rears in most home entertainment systems is really overkill and you would not really hear any difference between using high end bookshelf speakers for your rears. Even with a good sub, I think towers are better for mains, but not really for using as rear surrounds. With a good sub(s), you just need some good surrounds for the highs/mids and some lows until the sub crossover point takes over. I like my big 3 front speakers for both my systems set at 60Hz crossover, but like to have the bass/lows going for my 4 surrounds at 80Hz and heights at 90Hz. Having the crossover at 60Hz for your rears or all speakers you are missing the sub getting any lows until 60Hz, and a good sub lows sounds better than any tower speaker lows. However many Paradigm towers are very efficient, so no loss using them, just really not much gain. Keep in mind many towers to hear that they could actually sound better need some amp power sent to them and many AVR's or rear channel sound is not enough to notice any difference.
If you like listening to multi channel music all the time and have powerful external amps, 2 more Studio 100 V5 towers would be hard to beat, as they would "match perfectly" with your mains and due to all being true 3 way speakers, the sound should be fuller and have more depth than any bookshelf's, but again not really needed. Considering all this, if you found some really good Studio 60's for a great price, and have a room big enough, I would not turn this option either to use as rears. Although it is most important to match your front stage, to maximize your sound which you want to do, I would do my best to find some rears (any Studio V5's or even V4's) to match your fronts while you still can and used speakers are still available. I believe the V4 & V5's are very close and hard to tell any difference (as the V4's use the same G-PAL & S-PAL technology). Maybe someone else can comment further on this...
I'm not usually big on surround type rear speakers (Bipole & Dipole), as I have always liked Monopole (traditional direct firing) speakers. I must say, the 25S do look amazing for a surround speaker as they are a true 3 way (in fact they have 2 mid range drivers and 2 tweeters each), so should sound fantastic. The other bonus is they can be run in dual mode I believe (run each speaker as 2 speakers, otherwards get 7.1 with only 2 rear speakers). I do like how these would really fill the room with sound but I think these surround type speakers are only for 5.1 audio and not 7.1 or Dolby Atmos where you need sound to move from speaker to speaker. You would have that traditional Paradigm sound and the 25S would match ok but definitely not be a perfect match for the Studios as the Prestige has all X-PAL drivers and the Studio V5 has G-PAL tweeters & S-PAL mid/bass drivers. The less expensive version of the 25S that would work ok for rear surrounds, but only in a 5.1 system are Paradigm Surrround 3's, which are also on sale.
I'm a big fan of Paradigm and love their speakers but find their subs are a bit overpriced (I'm always on a budget when upgrading), and definitely think their stands are way overpriced. I used to have my cc690 on some cheap $20 stands with a board fastened on top which worked well. Since the massive cc690 does not fit into many TV stands, I now have my cc690 on top of my TV stand with my TV wall mounted with full motion tilting mount) which I think works the best for sound, picture and looks. I have 2 of my Studio 20's on Sanus stands that look great and are very sturdy (can fill each tube w/sand) and cost easily under $100 if I recall.
Yes, for 7.1 or more, I definitely recommend looking for some Studio 20's for rear surrounds and second choice being Studio 10's. Also my first choice would be V5's, but V4's should work as well? I was lucky to order my 2nd pair of Studio 20 V5's before they were discontinued. I have not bought many used audio equipment or speakers, so cannot advise on costs. Not sure where you are, but here are some options (including a pair of Studio 10 V5's for CAD $800). Keep in mind, many private sellers will lower their price: https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/sear...aradigm+studio
ebay.ca Here's another pair of Studio 10 V5's for CAD $769 or US $552 & "new" Studio 60 towers:
ebay.com Another pair of Studio 60 V5 towers brand new for US $900, or Studio 10 V5's for US $700 in black or US $797 in cherry colour: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...TUDIO&_sacat=0