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When we do back boxes for open back speakers we do them like in the picture but also works for in ceiling. We stud out the cavity seal it with acoustic caulk and then line it with acoustiblok or similar (aka mass loaded vinyl). we make the cavity larger than what the manufacturer recommends because you can always add more polyfill or insulation and you do want some type of insulation in the cavity. If you make it the exact size it will be not be accurate when you add insulation. it also lets us fine tune it with measurements to get the correct amount of insulation. Not hard to do.
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When we do back boxes for open back speakers we do them like in the picture but also works for in ceiling. We stud out the cavity seal it with acoustic caulk and then line it with acoustiblok or similar (aka mass loaded vinyl). we make the cavity larger than what the manufacturer recommends because you can always add more polyfill or insulation and you do want some type of insulation in the cavity. If you make it the exact size it will be not be accurate when you add insulation. it also lets us fine tune it with measurements to get the correct amount of insulation. Not hard to do.

Its not a start from scratch theatre. Dry wall is already up. I do have plenty of access in the attic which is above the room where they are going. Looking for guidance on materials to use like the acoustic calk. Just buy MDF and cut it to size and use acoustic calk for the seams. That doesn’t seem that bad. It’s the mounting part I need help with in light of drywall already being there.


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About to take plunge

Hi Paradigm owners...
I'm about ready to purchase a whole room full of Paradigm and join you.

Front stage will be 85f and 55c - will use the CI Pro product for surround in-wall p65 (to match driver and tweeter as close as possible) - Rear will use corner mounted 15b (because 25s seemed like overkill and didn't color match anyway) - with a pair of CI pro p65-r to finish Atmos in the ceiling.

Compared these to Sonance Reference (an all in-wall approach), Focal Aria (a close second but brighter sound) and they are replacing 12 year old Monitor Audio silvers (which I loved in the last house).

Excited to finish building walls and getting it going
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Hi Paradigm owners...
I'm about ready to purchase a whole room full of Paradigm and join you.

Front stage will be 85f and 55c - will use the CI Pro product for surround in-wall p65 (to match driver and tweeter as close as possible) - Rear will use corner mounted 15b (because 25s seemed like overkill and didn't color match anyway) - with a pair of CI pro p65-r to finish Atmos in the ceiling.

Compared these to Sonance Reference (an all in-wall approach), Focal Aria (a close second but brighter sound) and they are replacing 12 year old Monitor Audio silvers (which I loved in the last house).

Excited to finish building walls and getting it going
You're gonna love it. I run 85/55/15 with P65-R as well. The 25S sounds nice, but it doesn't go very low, it needs crossing over at like 120 Hz or even a bit higher. That's why I went 15B, it goes deep enough to handle an 80 Hz crossover. No regrets on that front!
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Hi,


I am new on this forum . I want to buy Paradigm Prestige 85F with 55C ( walnut booth ) and 25S ( black ). I got Onkyo tx-nr1010 for this moment because I wait the new receiver of Anthem mrx-1140. I want speakers can be excellent on music and on home theatre.



My questions is on the grill magnetic and footing.



- Does this magnetic grill hold well on speaker?


- The footing of 85F is easy to install ? because i read on website i don't remember where i need to find it :/ they can create noise.




Thanks to help a newbie.

System 7.1 Front : Paradigm Prestige 85F (Walnut) Central : Paradigm 55C (Walnut) Surround : Paradigm 25S (Black) Back Surround : Mirage OMD-5 (Black) Receiver : Onkyo TX-NR1010 BD Player : Oppo 103.
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I am new on this forum . I want to buy Paradigm Prestige 85F with 55C ( walnut booth ) and 25S ( black ). I got Onkyo tx-nr1010 for this moment because I wait the new receiver of Anthem mrx-1140. I want speakers can be excellent on music and on home theatre.



My questions is on the grill magnetic and footing.



- Does this magnetic grill hold well on speaker?


- The footing of 85F is easy to install ? because i read on website i don't remember where i need to find it :/ they can create noise.




Thanks to help a newbie.

I find it the website test : " hometheaterhifi "
TITLE : Paradigm Prestige Series Surround System Review

He said that for the sub-woofer ...

- The feet on the sub were longer and sharper (good) but they came loose and rattled frequently. At first I thought the sub was doubling but it was the feet rattling and I’d have to re-tighten them every now and again. I would definitely get some lock washers and install them on the sub’s feet if I owned this sub. And Paradigm should consider a redesign of the spikes for this reason.
The sub’s grill wouldn’t stay on reliably and would slide down the front of the unit every so often so I removed it as well.


Is this reason why I ask for the grill and the footing of 85f.


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Hi,


I am new on this forum [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]. I want to buy Paradigm Prestige 85F with 55C ( walnut booth ) and 25S ( black ). I got Onkyo tx-nr1010 for this moment because I wait the new receiver of Anthem mrx-1140. I want speakers can be excellent on music and on home theatre.



My questions is on the grill magnetic and footing.



- Does this magnetic grill hold well on speaker?


- The footing of 85F is easy to install ? because i read on website i don't remember where i need to find it 😕 they can create noise.




Thanks to help a newbie. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
I never put the magnetic grill since I bought my 85f. I just tried, magnetic grills hold loosely, forget about them.
Most of all, Prestige speakers are gorgeous without it(I have midnight cherry).
Beware, according some reviewers, Walnut finish looks cheap, like vinyl.
If you have money, take black piano or midnight cherry,real luxurious finish.
About feet, they came already mounted with the speakers, nothing to do. Absolutely no noise at all.

And yes, they are as good for music as for movies, that's Paradigm strength.

Enjoy!
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I don't want reflection on all speakers. Reason why i don't take midnight cherry or black piano.



I got cats on my house reason why i want to know if the magnetic grill stay there. The grill moved or they stay in place?



Thanks information about footing

System 7.1 Front : Paradigm Prestige 85F (Walnut) Central : Paradigm 55C (Walnut) Surround : Paradigm 25S (Black) Back Surround : Mirage OMD-5 (Black) Receiver : Onkyo TX-NR1010 BD Player : Oppo 103.
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If you don't touch it, grill doesn't move. But if you touch it even a bit, it moves, sometimes fall. And it doesn't cover the bottom of the unit, only speakers, so your cats can have fun with veneer finish....lol

I had a cat, he learned quickly not to touch my speakers. Of course, a scratching post helps a lot.

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My questions is on the grill magnetic and footing.

- Does this magnetic grill hold well on speaker?

- The footing of 85F is easy to install ? because i read on website i don't remember where i need to find it :/ they can create noise.
The feet on mine are solid, don't create any noise. They are on carpet, but do not rattle and they are tight. Well-made, not sloppy fitment.

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I got cats on my house reason why i want to know if the magnetic grill stay there. The grill moved or they stay in place?
I've never used the grilles as I prefer the "naked" look, but I'd be concerned that they'd be more attractive to a cat than not being there? Don't know, but yes, as already suggested - scratching post, or two! My cats fortunately are 100% uninterested in the speakers, and so some degree of apprehension towards the subs....

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Paradigm Prestige 85F and 55C; Side / Rear Surrounds: Totem Acoustic Tribe III / Tribe I; Amplification: D-Sonic M3a-2800-7 (7ch. x 400w)
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2 x SVS-SB13Ultras; Media: Oppo UDP-203, Pioneer CLD-59
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My cats are declawed on the front legs. So on that side everything is ok. So if I don't touch the grid it will stay in place. You don't know how reassuring I am. Because the grid protects from dust and animal hair but also for our hair lol When we obviously have.


My current speakers are mirages om-10, has full protection.

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As were are my previous monitor 7v7.
Too bad you don't like reflections, it's a beauty when the sun rises up...
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Well walnut as a beautiful colour too ( I show to you next post because I don't have 5 posts . )



If cherry don't come with glass I take it of course but with glass get to much reflection, imagine with oled omg. All tastes are in nature it seems. I can't wait now my 85f and 55c two more weeks Anyway thanks for all information's.



For surround do you suggestion 25s or 15f ...?
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TADAM Prestige 85F Walnut.

System 7.1 Front : Paradigm Prestige 85F (Walnut) Central : Paradigm 55C (Walnut) Surround : Paradigm 25S (Black) Back Surround : Mirage OMD-5 (Black) Receiver : Onkyo TX-NR1010 BD Player : Oppo 103.
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Well walnut as a beautiful colour too ( I show to you next post because I don't have 5 posts . )



If cherry don't come with glass I take it of course but with glass get to much reflection, imagine with oled omg. All tastes are in nature it seems. I can't wait now my 85f and 55c two more weeks Anyway thanks for all information's.



For surround do you suggestion 25s or 15f ...?
I use 15Bs for my surrounds. The 25Ss don't fit my room. I prefer direct-firing speakers, especially if you want an Atmos setup.
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According a french recognized home theater installer, dipole like 25s are best for one seat, they create a real surround field behind listener. For a row of multiple seats, 15B(as in home theaters, a lot of directional speakers).
But as many noticed it, 25s bass is light(diffuse sound), are not same color as 85f, harder to resell, less polyvalent (you could use 15b later for your work desk) and not compatible with Dolby Atmos specifications.
The best of course is four 85f(two front, two behind) for a 100% uniform sound field but it will cost much more..
If only real 5.1 matters for you and you don't want to evolve to Atmos, 25s.
Make your choice!
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For atmos, I can buy 25S ( black ) for surround behind and 15b ( walnut ) in on top front ?





Top in front 15B walnut


Front 85F walnut


Central 55C walnut


Surround 25S black


Top surround Mirage OMD-5 black


so 9.1 ? Is a good idea?


Walnut in front and black behind Is good or not?

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IMHO, 15Bs are overkill for Atmos. You also shouldn't use bi-pole or di-pole speakers as your Atmos channels - the system requires direct-radiating speakers for your height channels.
If you have the budget for the 15Bs, especially if they don't eat into the all-important subwoofer budget, then by all means use them. PSB Alpha P3s do the job for me, and they have a Walnut finish too, at around $300CAD/pair...

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I agree with sigpig. 15B as surround work great in my 5.1.4 Atmos.
I use 2 pairs of Dali Alteco c-1(available in Europe) as front and rear height.Walnut finish(too bad, midnight cherry not available on Dali catalog ;-))
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But the 15b don't have 3-way and bi-amp connection. I need to buy more stand to get on wall, due to the fasteners which are located below. With the 25s I can get fixation behind him to fixed on the wall. Surround is surround. The bass factor was not the most important on surround no?

System 7.1 Front : Paradigm Prestige 85F (Walnut) Central : Paradigm 55C (Walnut) Surround : Paradigm 25S (Black) Back Surround : Mirage OMD-5 (Black) Receiver : Onkyo TX-NR1010 BD Player : Oppo 103.

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I agree with sigpig. 15B as surround work great in my 5.1.4 Atmos.
I use 2 pairs of Dali Alteco c-1(available in Europe) as front and rear height.Walnut finish(too bad, midnight cherry not available on Dali catalog ;-))
I don't want floor standers and love my 15B/45C combo for fronts. I think I'd love a pair of 45C's for fronts, 55C center and 15B's surrounds...i have Atoms for surrounds now and they too are awesome surrounds. I just can't afford the cost...sigh...

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But the 15b don't have 3-way and bi-amp connection. I need to buy more stand to get on wall, due to the fasteners which are located below. With the 25s I can get fixation behind him to fixed on the wall. Surround is surround. The bass factor was not the most important on surround no?
Atmos is based on directional sound, to emulate objects movements(helicopters,cars).
Surround is based on diffuse sound to émulate environment(like crowd in concert).
25s are not recommended for Atmos according Dolby.
Why do you need 3-way absolutely for your back in Atmos? Same for bi-amping for surround?
You wanted 9.1 setup(5.4.1 in Atmos), bi-amp may be useful for front main speakers only and you can do it with the 85f and your Anthem mrx-1120.
I think you have a sufficient budget. My advice, unless you want to evolve to 11.1, downgrade your anthem future buy to 9.1(bi-amping is nearly useless) and spend the spared budget to get decent standing for your wall(orientable standing vertically and horizontally to 30° to listener, which can support heavy bookshelves speakers).
But eh, it's your money 🙂

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I read a lot of Dolby Atmos and what you said is more opinion not a fact or give me a link to prove 15b was better over 25s for Dolby Atmos please. I don't have mrx-1120, I wait the new one mrx-1140.


That could help newbie like me for setup speakers for Dolby Atmos


LINK : https://www.dolby.com/us/en/speaker-...des/index.html

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I read a lot of dolby atmos and what you said is more opinion not a fact or give me a link to prove 15b was better over 25s for dolby atmos please. I don't have mrx-1120, I wait the new one mrx-1140.
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...rs-dolby-atmos

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/sp...tup-guide.html

Dolby never officially claims that dipole or bipole speakers are inadapted for Atmos, (not to alienate future Atmos Avr buyers in my opinion)..
But as Dolby claims it, Atmos is a 3D soudfield emulation. And to emulate it perfectly you need precise and directive sounds. Dipole and bipole don't give this,that's not their purpose.
If you already own dipole speakers, you can try them in a Dolby Atmos setup, to see if it works.
If you will buy them, It's not logical to buy them first to create a dolby Atmos setup, they are not intended too.
Dedicated Dolby Atmos Home theater use a lot of directional speakers for surrounds speakers, you can verify that.
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Got it!
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/search-r...?search=Dipole

In the pdf, page 6 last line:
Dipole speakers are not recommended for Atmos setup
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I take 25s because i want it on ground not on the wall. I got OMD-5 on wall to get the Atmos, so 5.1.2 Maybe the confusion. If I change later to get 5.1.4 I change the omd-5 and buy 2 pairs on wall ( maybe Klipsch Rp-500sa ) .



Atmos was only on english and only few movies got it. Marking is good but the reality was different. You know what I mean?


I got question a bout paradigm prestige on frequency response. What is the difference between ±2dB and ±3dB to measure the frequency of speakers?

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I know, my 5.1.4 is not 100% Atmos, because it has no in ceiling speakers. It's OK for me as long you're satisfied 🙂
The most important in atmos is the height differentiation, soundfield of your floor speakers must be distinctive from your height ones.
About Prestige frequency,+-3 db is volume amplitude for a given frequency range, usually 20hz-20 khz. It's the common objective of accurate speakers. The less amplitude you have, the more accurate reproduction of the source you get . Prestige speakers philosophy is different, it emphasizes lows and Highs, which is not a bad one. They have a joyful signature, making me tapping. But I correct excess of bass with room correction, my listening room is too small, with lot of room gain.

About crossover,I cut my 85f at 50 hz and my 15 b surround at 80hz.Height speakers at 100.
Lowest frequency of speakers is usually taken at - 3 db. Here a measurement graph of 95 f.
Usually, it's recommended to add 10 hz to lower frequency to get right crossover for each speaker in your avr crossover setup.
Subwoofer must do most of bass work, specially for height.
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I know, my 5.1.4 is not 100% Atmos, because it has no in ceiling speakers. It's OK for me as long you're satisfied 🙂
The most important in atmos is the height differentiation, soundfield of your floor speakers must be distinctive from your height ones.
About Prestige frequency,+-3 db is volume amplitude for a given frequency range, usually 20hz-20 khz. It's the common objective of accurate speakers. The less amplitude you have, the more accurate reproduction of the source you get . Prestige speakers philosophy is different, it emphasizes lows and Highs, which is not a bad one. They have a joyful signature, making me tapping. But I correct excess of bass with room correction, my listening room is too small, with lot of room gain.

About crossover,I cut my 85f at 50 hz and my 15 b surround at 80hz.Height speakers at 100.
Lowest frequency of speakers is usually taken at - 3 db. Here a measurement graph of 95 f.
Usually, it's recommended to add 10 hz to lower frequency to get right crossover for each speaker in your avr crossover setup.
Subwoofer must do most of bass work, specially for height.

Excellent thanks for this information I don't know if I buy a sub-woofer. Condo is not the best place to have it and they take a lot of place too. If i don't buy sub-woofer ... do I need to play with the "LFE" or "CROSSOVER" on my receiver?

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I know, my 5.1.4 is not 100% Atmos, because it has no in ceiling speakers. It's OK for me as long you're satisfied 🙂
The most important in atmos is the height differentiation, soundfield of your floor speakers must be distinctive from your height ones.
About Prestige frequency,+-3 db is volume amplitude for a given frequency range, usually 20hz-20 khz. It's the common objective of accurate speakers. The less amplitude you have, the more accurate reproduction of the source you get . Prestige speakers philosophy is different, it emphasizes lows and Highs, which is not a bad one. They have a joyful signature, making me tapping. But I correct excess of bass with room correction, my listening room is too small, with lot of room gain.

About crossover,I cut my 85f at 50 hz and my 15 b surround at 80hz.Height speakers at 100.
Lowest frequency of speakers is usually taken at - 3 db. Here a measurement graph of 95 f.
Usually, it's recommended to add 10 hz to lower frequency to get right crossover for each speaker in your avr crossover setup.
Subwoofer must do most of bass work, specially for height.

Excellent thanks for this information [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] I don't know if I buy a sub-woofer. Condo is not the best place to have it [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG] and they take a lot of place too. If i don't buy sub-woofer ... do I need to play with the "LFE" or "CROSSOVER" on my receiver?
I'm in condo too lol.
My advice:get a small subwoofer! It will relieve your speakers. I have a monster, Paradigm x15, but because it was bought used and I wanted the best. Svs pb1000 is cheap(300 dollars, can try it 45 days and return) and great, avr will make room correction. If so put all your speakers on Small in Avr setup and choose Lfe for subwoofer mode. Don't go beyond 1/4 of max volume and shut it down at night.
If no subwoofer(which is a shame), set you 85f to full range and others to small, with chosen crossover.
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Excellent thanks for this information I don't know if I buy a sub-woofer. Condo is not the best place to have it and they take a lot of place too. If i don't buy sub-woofer ... do I need to play with the "LFE" or "CROSSOVER" on my receiver?

A subwoofer is appropriate for any space, as long as you have a place to put it. You still have control of the volume. Like Batfunk2 said, get something with a generous return policy, experiment with it in your system. You'll hear things even at low volumes that your speakers just won't do otherwise.

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2 x SVS-SB13Ultras; Media: Oppo UDP-203, Pioneer CLD-59
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