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Thanks for all the education here hahaha. This has also helped me with how I go about placing my setup right now. I currently have my couch against the wall and the 15bs are flanking the seating position. Would it be so bad to have them closer to the wall? I have angled them towards the couch ever so slightly. The ports have a lot of room but is it deterimental to have the side of the cabinet too close to the wall? I basically want to have the 15bs as far "behind" me as possible when seated.
I think 110 degrees is the max recommended for surrounds? They are meant to go to the sides or just slightly behind you, not all the way back

Nothing wrong with pointing them at the listening position, if that's the sound you prefer. Tweeter response generally gets quieter off-axis, so if they sound too bright you can angle them away a little. As far as spacing from the wall, just use a small table or a helper to see if the sound changes in a way you don't like as it gets closer to the wall. I bet it'll be fine.
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I think 110 degrees is the max recommended for surrounds? They are meant to go to the sides or just slightly behind you, not all the way back

Nothing wrong with pointing them at the listening position, if that's the sound you prefer. Tweeter response generally gets quieter off-axis, so if they sound too bright you can angle them away a little. As far as spacing from the wall, just use a small table or a helper to see if the sound changes in a way you don't like as it gets closer to the wall. I bet it'll be fine.
No the true. Only is you play your receiver at 100% This is a 3way plus bi-amp. The diffusion of those speaker (25s) was mush better over 15B. Is a surround in here lollll 20% of sound go there on movie. Reason why people buy 1 or 2 sub-woofer. The 25S can get with "low extention frequency : 65HZ

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No the true. Only is you play your receiver at 100% This is a 3way plus bi-amp. The diffusion of those speaker (25s) was mush better over 15B. Is a surround in here lollll 20% of sound go there on movie. Reason why people buy 1 or 2 sub-woofer. The 25S can get with "low extention frequency : 65HZ
It's at least -10 dB by 65 Hz, you're being misled by that 'DIN' rating which lets them basically lie about how low the speaker really extends.

The other stuff you're saying is either not relevant, or shows a limited understanding of how these things work, but I think there's a language barrier that will get in the way of trying to educate you, so if you don't mind, I'll beg off from that chore.
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It's at least -10 dB by 65 Hz, you're being misled by that 'DIN' rating which lets them basically lie about how low the speaker really extends.

The other stuff you're saying is either not relevant, or shows a limited understanding of how these things work, but I think there's a language barrier that will get in the way of trying to educate you, so if you don't mind, I'll beg off from that chore.
They said -3bd on data sheet of paradigm. Now i search a great ac power conditionner lol and maybe panamax m5400-pm could be the winner. I need to find tread in here lol

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They said -3bd on data sheet of paradigm. Now i search a great ac power conditionner lol and maybe panamax m5400-pm could be the winner. I need to find tread in here lol
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It clearly says DIN, the overall low frequency response is very poor on 25S.

Do you live in an area with bad power? Otherwise, those conditioner products are a complete waste of money.
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It clearly says DIN, the overall low frequency response is very poor on 25S.

Do you live in an area with bad power? Otherwise, those conditioner products are a complete waste of money.
He won't listen to advice on surrounds, so he won't listen to advice an power conditioners.
He won't listen to me, and I have pretty much the exact speakers. The 15Bs are better for all the reasons you list, but he doesn't care. I have no more bits to waste on him.

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I would probably listen to more music if I could get Tidal to run through my AVR. Currently, the only thing I can play through is Spotify and Youtube (which isn't the greatest for sound). I've downloaded the odd FLAC file here and there for testing purposes, but Tidal has been my main source for high res tracks.

Eventually I want to move over to an Anthem AVR but perhaps I'll wait until the next models are announced, even though the current lineup is super solid. I'd probably bite if there was a really good deal though!
I'm in your boat with the Anthem AVR. I've read that distance setting is only to the nearest foot. If they get that dialed down to .1 foot increments like the rest of many AVR's, then I'd get the Pre-Pro. If you pull the trigger, let me know your thoughts on it. I'm very curious if it makes a difference for the better.

Glad you like your 85F's. I love mine! And, yes, run room correction. Made a huge difference in my smaller and lively room.
Honestly, I have the pay side of Spotify Premium and it makes a huge difference over the non-pay side. Night and day! I'm probably in the minority, but I could not tell the difference between Spotify Premium and Tidal's top end.

Good luck with your set up. Its an expensive hobby, but well worth it...and your room is worth a clean look with recessed speakers for atmos and what not.

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He won't listen to advice on surrounds, so he won't listen to advice an power conditioners.
He won't listen to me, and I have pretty much the exact speakers. The 15Bs are better for all the reasons you list, but he doesn't care. I have no more bits to waste on him.
Is not the true but i really don't take.

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It clearly says DIN, the overall low frequency response is very poor on 25S.

Do you live in an area with bad power? Otherwise, those conditioner products are a complete waste of money.
15b was bookself little and the diffusion was only directly on you. Surround is not that. Surround is get more diffusion you got to get ambience around you. The bass he can deal with it 65 hz is enough for surround. So 25S was better for surround. If you talk about extra speaker for Atmos yep the 15b was much better. 20% of sound come on surround if you know that of course.

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It clearly says DIN, the overall low frequency response is very poor on 25S.

Do you live in an area with bad power? Otherwise, those conditioner products are a complete waste of money.
If you are an expert omg change the job man.


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Again, they are sticking the speaker in a corner to artifically boost the output. I promise, the 25S doesn't have meaningful output at 65 Hz, and even if it did, you would need to cross it over at around 120 Hz or you'd be losing output in the crossover region. Like the other guy said, you clearly aren't going to learn anything, so I won't reply to you any further.
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Again, they are sticking the speaker in a corner to artifically boost the output. I promise, the 25S doesn't have meaningful output at 65 Hz, and even if it did, you would need to cross it over at around 120 Hz or you'd be losing output in the crossover region. Like the other guy said, you clearly aren't going to learn anything, so I won't reply to you any further.
I don't cake if you quot are not. Surround is surround. If you don't have budget to buy 25s ok np about that but surround don't need 40hz lol If you buy 15b for bass buy 85F if I think on your logic. 15B get low diffusion to get surround action.


You see is -3bd not -10bd. I talk with over 10 peoples of that and all get the same opinion I have. If you want more bass buy sub woofer.

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I think 110 degrees is the max recommended for surrounds? They are meant to go to the sides or just slightly behind you, not all the way back

Nothing wrong with pointing them at the listening position, if that's the sound you prefer. Tweeter response generally gets quieter off-axis, so if they sound too bright you can angle them away a little. As far as spacing from the wall, just use a small table or a helper to see if the sound changes in a way you don't like as it gets closer to the wall. I bet it'll be fine.
I played a little (a lot) with room correction and positioning yesterday and I think I've found a happy medium...for now . I spent quite a bit of time trying to find out the timing measurement for my reverb, in the room based on my Pioneer's MCACC measurements. From my time listening to music in extended stereo it felt much more enveloping and cohesive than when I had my older dipole/bipoles hooked up! Will tinker a bit more. I do want a tad more bass but I think to remedy that I'm going to go with dual SVS PB-2000 Pros. I currently have a single SVS PB-12NSD. Gotta have that movie slam!

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I'm in your boat with the Anthem AVR. I've read that distance setting is only to the nearest foot. If they get that dialed down to .1 foot increments like the rest of many AVR's, then I'd get the Pre-Pro. If you pull the trigger, let me know your thoughts on it. I'm very curious if it makes a difference for the better.

Glad you like your 85F's. I love mine! And, yes, run room correction. Made a huge difference in my smaller and lively room.
Honestly, I have the pay side of Spotify Premium and it makes a huge difference over the non-pay side. Night and day! I'm probably in the minority, but I could not tell the difference between Spotify Premium and Tidal's top end.

Good luck with your set up. Its an expensive hobby, but well worth it...and your room is worth a clean look with recessed speakers for atmos and what not.
Ah I didn't know that about the Anthem AVRs in regards to speaker distance settings, I'll have to look into it. I've read a lot that ARC is pretty well regarded as one of the best if not the best room correction software. I've been looking at the product page for the MRX 720 almost every other day but I'll hold off until I at least get dual subs. AVR will be the last thing I upgrade as my current one is serving me well enough and maybe the lineup will see a revision soon (just my guess).

About the Spotify Premium vs Tidal that is interesting. I feel that some of the tracks I've listened to on Spotify Premium have this weird harshness to them (Tron Legacy album). Best way I can describe it is they sound "crispy" lol. I've listened to some acoustic guitar and holy crow that blew me away for sure.

Will be testing with movies this weekend!
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They said -3bd on data sheet of paradigm. Now i search a great ac power conditionner lol and maybe panamax m5400-pm could be the winner. I need to find tread in here lol
While I do not believe it contributes in any way to improving audio or video quality on modern equipment, I do like my Panamax 5400 (but I also paid 1/2 price for it brand new, not sure I would pay MSRP for it). I like the overall appearance and generaal functionality. Fits in nicely with my system aesthetically, and provides good power distribution, and I like the 12V triggered circuit. It's well built, and excellent customer support. Panamax claims an improvement in audio/video quality - and like I said - doubtful in modern equipment, HOWEVER - not that this matters, but interestingly, testing it on a CRT TV, it actually did make all of the OSD menus appear much sharper. Overall picture? No, just the menus....

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I'm in your boat with the Anthem AVR. I've read that distance setting is only to the nearest foot. If they get that dialed down to .1 foot increments like the rest of many AVR's, then I'd get the Pre-Pro. If you pull the trigger, let me know your thoughts on it. I'm very curious if it makes a difference for the better.
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Ah I didn't know that about the Anthem AVRs in regards to speaker distance settings, I'll have to look into it. I've read a lot that ARC is pretty well regarded as one of the best if not the best room correction software. I've been looking at the product page for the MRX 720 almost every other day but I'll hold off until I at least get dual subs. AVR will be the last thing I upgrade as my current one is serving me well enough and maybe the lineup will see a revision soon (just my guess).
ARC is very well regarded, not to mention Anthem's level of support. Not too many Anthem owners worry about the distance settings being only to the round foot of measurement. It will be interesting to see what new units offer. They will undoubtedly offer dual, independent sub control like STR. Right now you get two sub outs, but it treats them as a single unit. Again, not something too any Anthem owners worry about, but I can't see them not doing this in new units as ARC is already capable of handling it, just not the hardware in current AVM/MRX lineup. But nobody but Anthem knows when new units will drop. Could be next week. Could be two years from now.

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While I do not believe it contributes in any way to improving audio or video quality on modern equipment, I do like my Panamax 5400 (but I also paid 1/2 price for it brand new, not sure I would pay MSRP for it). I like the overall appearance and generaal functionality. Fits in nicely with my system aesthetically, and provides good power distribution, and I like the 12V triggered circuit. It's well built, and excellent customer support. Panamax claims an improvement in audio/video quality - and like I said - doubtful in modern equipment, HOWEVER - not that this matters, but interestingly, testing it on a CRT TV, it actually did make all of the OSD menus appear much sharper. Overall picture? No, just the menus....
I see on a lot peoples on review this model get a humm noise electric. They come from of the toroidal transform. Is true?

If this model get this noise electric maybe I could change idea to get the Furman elite-15 dmi

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I see on a lot peoples on review this model get a humm noise electric. They come from of the toroidal transform. Is true?

I don't know about in every case, but mine did have a transformer hum for a very short time, but it disappeared. Can't hear it at all now. When I could hear it, it literally had to be the dead of night, with not so much as a mouse farting. I don't know if they "break in" or not. Friend of mine too got one not too long ago, has not complained about it.

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I don't know about in every case, but mine did have a transformer hum for a very short time, but it disappeared. Can't hear it at all now. When I could hear it, it literally had to be the dead of night, with not so much as a mouse farting. I don't know if they "break in" or not. Friend of mine too got one not too long ago, has not complained about it.
Here is the topic on Paradigm, so I don't want to keep talking about the power conditioner here, but do you know where I can go to debate it?

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Here is the topic on Paradigm, so I don't want to keep talking about the power conditioner here, but do you know where I can go to debate it?
Maybe check here for some info:

https://www.avsforum.com/wordpress/a...nditioner-ups/

It's not specific to Panamax, but might be useful?

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https://www.avsforum.com/wordpress/a...nditioner-ups/

It's not specific to Panamax, but might be useful?
So the power conditioner with Voltage regulator don't get more sound good or image and we need to pay more to get it. SO Electric filter for noise and surge was the best. Thanks for the link now I know witch 2 models I can buy... m5300-pm panamax or Elite-15 DMi of furman.

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So the power conditioner with Voltage regulator don't get more sound good or image and we need to pay more to get it. SO Electric filter for noise and surge was the best. Thanks for the link now I know witch 2 models I can buy... m5300-pm panamax or Elite-15 DMi of furman.

Yeah, I love my Panamax5400, but like I mentioned, not likely to pay MSRP for it. Had it not been 1/2 price at the time, I wouldn't have bought it. It's definitely worth 1/2 MSRP in my opinion, but hard to justify that price tag north of $800.00! If you're not in a hurry, just keep an eye on Crutchfield and BestBuy - got mine at Crutchfield, and friend got his at BestBuy, both roughly 1/2 off. They run sales from time to time. (Tells you a bit about the profit margin on these....). July 4th sales coming up? YOu never know....or maybe you can get one of those other two for a really good deal as well. O.K., back to Paradigm....

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Yeah, I love my Panamax5400, but like I mentioned, not likely to pay MSRP for it. Had it not been 1/2 price at the time, I wouldn't have bought it. It's definitely worth 1/2 MSRP in my opinion, but hard to justify that price tag north of $800.00! If you're not in a hurry, just keep an eye on Crutchfield and BestBuy - got mine at Crutchfield, and friend got his at BestBuy, both roughly 1/2 off. They run sales from time to time. (Tells you a bit about the profit margin on these....). July 4th sales coming up? YOu never know....or maybe you can get one of those other two for a really good deal as well. O.K., back to Paradigm....
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So the power conditioner with Voltage regulator don't get more sound good or image and we need to pay more to get it. SO Electric filter for noise and surge was the best. Thanks for the link now I know witch 2 models I can buy... m5300-pm panamax or Elite-15 DMi of furman.
I had the Panamax...and it hummed. Two of them and sent them back. I bought the Elite-15 DMi and no hum for me. I still use it.

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I had the Panamax...and it hummed. Two of them and sent them back. I bought the Elite-15 DMi and no hum for me. I still use it.
I create thread HERE Because in here it was Paradigm.

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15B AS CENTER CHANNEL
I currently am running 4.1 with b15's as fronts, studio 20v3 as rear and a pdr12 .
Im considering getting another b15 for a center over the c45 or c55 as I can buy a single b15 for about half the cost of the c45. Anyone have any thoughts on this or experience comparing either scenerio?
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15B AS CENTER CHANNEL
I currently am running 4.1 with b15's as fronts, studio 20v3 as rear and a pdr12 .
Im considering getting another b15 for a center over the c45 or c55 as I can buy a single b15 for about half the cost of the c45. Anyone have any thoughts on this or experience comparing either scenerio?
While most can't do it due to space, it is often said that three matching speakers across the front is better than having a dedicated but different center channel.

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While most can't do it due to space, it is often said that three matching speakers across the front is better than having a dedicated but different center channel.

But... the C55 *looks* cool



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Does anybody happen to know the dispersion angles of the below speakers? I'm not finding anything in my search. I'm switching to a new setup and want to re-purpose some of these old speakers that I have a bunch of for Atmos.
  • CS-160 v.2
  • CS-60R v.2

I believe the CS-60R is the better choice, but want to double check.
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You are absolutely correct about the look. I was speaking more on how things would sound. Paradigms gigantic centers are impressive. I have a CC-390 that is also a beast.

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So I've been listening to the 85fs for just over a week now and my impressions were a bit back and forth when it came to music.

During my initial stages of listening I was having a great time with watching some movies, TV and some music here and there.

I decided to listen to some music in 2 channel, playing tracks that were used in some of the reviews I've read for the 75f all the way up to the 95f. They were nice to listen to but nothing jumped out at me. I tried listening to some rock, house, pop, and hip hop. Rock by far was the most fatiguing for me at the time. This was all after running my Pioneer MCACC and saving different settings for reverb.

Fast forward a little a bit and I'm debating on whether or not I should reposition my speakers. The bass and mids were pretty flat to me with the highs kind of overshadowing everything in the aforementioned genres. Acoustic and jazz were the only genres I could listen to and be satisfied. So I decided to try one thing before repositioning my speakers, setting them to large and removing the sub from the setup. I ran the 85fs by themselves set to large and just...WOW. Everything I had listened to before that was somewhat difficult for me to listen to I was suddenly able to jam out to or just sit there in awe. Anything I had played previously that I was enjoying already became heavenly. The bass from the 85fs even shook my sofa! I had to double check that my sub wasn't on! These things are crazy! The perceived brightness I was experiencing was also gone, yet everything was still so detailed.

I can only imagine at this point what these speakers would be like with better matching gear but for now I don't even want to reconfigure anything because I'm so delighted with these. Going forward, when it comes to music I'm going to set these guys to large and keep the sub out. Definitely going to set them to small with sub for movies, tv and games though.

This was such a newbie thing to go through, but I'm glad setting them to large gave me such a great experience for 2 channel music. I'm far from a critical listener, but I'm sure I'll learn a thing or two going forward.
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