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go with the c series instead .. on sale now .. this will save you from having to upgrade anytime soon..
The c-series is more than I want to spend.
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The c-series is more than I want to spend.
check amazon,see if the current sale on the c1 fits your budget , if not the superones are said to be very good for the price..EDIT.. be advised , the price on c series is per speaker..

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It is still.

My question was how do they compare to the Emotiva and HTD I am currently leaning towards, quality-wise and value. Emotiva B1+C1 is $478. HTD Level 2 would total $378, Level 3 $578. The NHT SuperOne + Center would be $333. Also, is the SuperCenter not well thought of? I see a lot of posts of people saying they use 3 SuperOnes across the front.
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It is still.

My question was how do they compare to the Emotiva and HTD I am currently leaning towards, quality-wise and value. Emotiva B1+C1 is $478. HTD Level 2 would total $378, Level 3 $578. The NHT SuperOne + Center would be $333. Also, is the SuperCenter not well thought of? I see a lot of posts of people saying they use 3 SuperOnes across the front.
i have the b1's .. they are fine , the c1 is highly thought of , but i haven't heard it .. the super ones are probably a bit clearer but a bit brighter(treble emphasized).. if it was me with the 3 choices , i think i would get the nht's(super series) based on reported clarity but the emotiva's are pretty good and very smooth...

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New to the group here. Just ordered 3 of the C-LCR speakers and 2 C3 bookshelves for my 5.1 system. Excited to see how they sound. Now just need a sub and a receiver. Leaning towards a Monoloth 15 or Rythmik FV18 for the sub and either a Yamaha 3080, Denon 6500 or Anthem MRX720 for the receiver. 100% Home theater use. Hope these speakers rock, kept going back and forth between these, RSL and SVS Ultras.
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New to the group here. Just ordered 3 of the C-LCR speakers and 2 C3 bookshelves for my 5.1 system. Excited to see how they sound. Now just need a sub and a receiver. Leaning towards a Monoloth 15 or Rythmik FV18 for the sub and either a Yamaha 3080, Denon 6500 or Anthem MRX720 for the receiver. 100% Home theater use. Hope these speakers rock, kept going back and forth between these, RSL and SVS Ultras.

How well do th iC2, iC3 or iC4 work in ceiling for Atmos? Kicking around the idea of a 5.1.2 system with 2 speakers in the ceiling.
smart 1st choice , imo...my 2nd would have been rsl.. both good stuff though..

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Does anyone have experience with the iC3 or iC4 ceiling speakers? Looking at adding 4 atmos speakers to the NHT system I just bought but I can't find any good info about the iC4s except Amazon reviews.
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Does anyone have experience with the iC3 or iC4 ceiling speakers? Looking at adding 4 atmos speakers to the NHT system I just bought but I can't find any good info about the iC4s except Amazon reviews.
I have a 5.2.2 system with 3.3s, AC-2, C-1s and iC4s. I have no complaints about the iC4s. Seems like you can occasionally find them pretty cheap on eBay. They might be overkill however if you're just using them for atmos. iC3s are probably fine.
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Does anyone have experience with the iC3 or iC4 ceiling speakers? Looking at adding 4 atmos speakers to the NHT system I just bought but I can't find any good info about the iC4s except Amazon reviews.
I have a 5.2.2 system with 3.3s, AC-2, C-1s and iC4s. I have no complaints about the iC4s. Seems like you can occasionally find them pretty cheap on eBay. They might be overkill however if you're just using them for atmos. iC3s are probably fine.
Thanks for the info. The ic4 is actually cheaper than than the ic3, $182 for the iC4 vs $198 for the iC3 on Amazon. Best prices I have seen so far.
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Thanks for the info. The ic4 is actually cheaper than than the ic3, $182 for the iC4 vs $198 for the iC3 on Amazon. Best prices I have seen so far.
I've got 4 iC4's doing Atmos duty. Bought on ebay a few years ago...killer deal...all 4, brand new in box for $200.
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I think you're gonna like the iC4's (or 3's). They have excellent dispertion with the tweeter array and blend/timbre match w/ the base speakers seamlessly. My receiver is the Denon 4300 but i'm using it in preamp mode w/ 7channels of amplification from Emotiva XPA 5 and a UPA 2, Receiver is powering the ceiling speakers. You will probably be fine though with just an 11 channel receiver (ie: Denon 6x00), if your room size isn't too massive.

I see NHT speakers on ebay frequently, so you should be able to find a pretty good deal on the iC4's or 3's if your patient.
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Boy I still love my Classic 3s so much. I have them in nowhere near an ideal room situation and they still have such a big, clean sound. Plus, considering how little they are worth 2nd hand I'll probably have them forever. The looks and design still knock me out.

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wondering if anyone else finds dialogue from the TWOC too bright and harsh or maybe I just have sensitive ears iv'e compared it to my Superone and C1 the tweeter on the TWOC is harsh and loud it's definitely more clear and detailed but that comes at a cost the Superone and C1 tweeters have softer, toned down sound compared to the TWOC I guess all of NHT three way speakers are like this
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wondering if anyone else finds dialogue from the TWOC too bright and harsh or maybe I just have sensitive ears iv'e compared it to my Superone and C1 the tweeter on the TWOC is harsh and loud it's definitely more clear and detailed but that comes at a cost the Superone and C1 tweeters have softer, toned down sound compared to the TWOC I guess all of NHT three way speakers are like this
that's a shame that your still having the issue.. have you called nht CS?( i assume you may have).. maybe do a return and use a c1 or super one as center?

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that's a shame that your still having the issue.. have you called nht CS?( i assume you may have).. maybe do a return and use a c1 or super one as center?
yeah I have the Superone as my center now I really wanted to keep the TWOC because it looks really nice and expensive but its not for my ears like someone on here said I bought the speaker to listen not to look at
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yeah I have the Superone as my center now I really wanted to keep the TWOC because it looks really nice and expensive but its not for my ears like someone on here said I bought the speaker to listen not to look at
exactly .. do what sounds good to you , in the long run it isn't about $$'s spent .. it's about what you like..

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yeah I have the Superone as my center now I really wanted to keep the TWOC because it looks really nice and expensive but its not for my ears like someone on here said I bought the speaker to listen not to look at
I'm curious what source is powering your 2C2? I have 2C2 in my bedroom system and it sounds great. I used to have a Supercenter2 (w/ Superone's) and the 2C2 sounds way better to my ears. Much more dynamic and forward with way better dispersion (but not harsh at all) than the SC2. I'm using a Denon receiver to power them and they sound great.
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I'm curious what source is powering your 2C2? I have 2C2 in my bedroom system and it sounds great. I used to have a Supercenter2 (w/ Superone's) and the 2C2 sounds way better to my ears. Much more dynamic and forward with way better dispersion (but not harsh at all) than the SC2. I'm using a Denon receiver to power them and they sound great.
I'm using a Yamaha RX-S600 receiver MSRP: $649.95 Slim and compact 5.1-channel network AV receiver, with high-quality audio and convenient functions including AirPlay,AV Controller app and MHL support.

"Much more dynamic and forward with way better dispersion" Agreed the TWOC does sound better to my ears it also sounds too bright and high pitched
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I'm curious what source is powering your 2C2? I have 2C2 in my bedroom system and it sounds great. I used to have a Supercenter2 (w/ Superone's) and the 2C2 sounds way better to my ears. Much more dynamic and forward with way better dispersion (but not harsh at all) than the SC2. I'm using a Denon receiver to power them and they sound great.

I'm using a Yamaha RX-S600 receiver MSRP: $649.95 Slim and compact 5.1-channel network AV receiver, with high-quality audio and convenient functions including AirPlay,AV Controller app and MHL support.

"Much more dynamic and forward with way better dispersion" Agreed the TWOC does sound better to my ears it also sounds too bright and high pitched
Ok. I’m not familiar with that particular receiver but I have had Yamaha receivers before and from recollection, I do remember it being a bit brighter than the next receiver I brought, which was a Denon. Maybe it was the Audyssey xt32 in that receiver that tamed the brightness in my speakers to the room that it is in. Have you done any room calibration with the Yamaha or have absorbing elements in the room that could possibly tame the harshness, ie: carpets, drapes, furniture, sound absorbing panels, etc.?

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Ok. I’m not familiar with that particular receiver but I have had Yamaha receivers before and from recollection, I do remember it being a bit brighter than the next receiver I brought, which was a Denon. Maybe it was the Audyssey xt32 in that receiver that tamed the brightness in my speakers to the room that it is in. Have you done any room calibration with the Yamaha or have absorbing elements in the room that could possibly tame the harshness, ie: carpets, drapes, furniture, sound absorbing panels, etc.?
I had a Denon receiver before the Yamaha I remember it wasn't as bright or neutral sounding as the Yamaha so It could be that the receiver and speaker are both bright neutral sounding producing extra bright, neutral sound I already did the auto calibration with mic when I first set up the speaker also turned the center speaker level to -3

I don't mind the neutral sound of the Yamaha receiver over the stereo sounding Denon The TWOC center sounds good with movies its only high pitched and too bright with Youtube videos and music
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I received my speakers today from Amazon, these are super nice looking! Decided to buy a second set of C3 bookshelves for a 7.1 system instead of 5.1.
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Hey people. I'm currently (home) auditioning a set of C3 bookshelves with one LCR center channel. I just ran an Audyssey room cal, and Audyssey set the crossovers to 60 Hz for the bookshelves and 80 Hz for the center. I manually upped the crossover for the bookshelves to 80. My question is, does anyone have any recommendation to where I should set them? My sub is a RSL Speedwoofer 10s. (Just so happens I'm also auditioning a RSL setup at the same time. I switching back and forth but keeping the sub the same.)
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Hey people. I'm currently (home) auditioning a set of C3 bookshelves with one LCR center channel. I just ran an Audyssey room cal, and Audyssey set the crossovers to 60 Hz for the bookshelves and 80 Hz for the center. I manually upped the crossover for the bookshelves to 80. My question is, does anyone have any recommendation to where I should set them? My sub is a RSL Speedwoofer 10s. (Just so happens I'm also auditioning a RSL setup at the same time. I switching back and forth but keeping the sub the same.)
That's like asking how high is up?

There are so many variables - room size, furnishings, etc.

Listen, listen, listen!

Try various recordings that feature substantial bass and go back and forth.

It's what sounds better for you.
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That's like asking how high is up?

There are so many variables - room size, furnishings, etc.

Listen, listen, listen!

Try various recordings that feature substantial bass and go back and forth.

It's what sounds better for you.
Yes, I understand that. In the end, it's what sounds best to one's ear. I've run the gamut of frequencies from 40 to 200 and haven't heard much of a difference. That's why I decided to reach out to the community to see if there was a general consensus of sorts.

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Hey people. I'm currently (home) auditioning a set of C3 bookshelves with one LCR center channel. I just ran an Audyssey room cal, and Audyssey set the crossovers to 60 Hz for the bookshelves and 80 Hz for the center. I manually upped the crossover for the bookshelves to 80. My question is, does anyone have any recommendation to where I should set them? My sub is a RSL Speedwoofer 10s. (Just so happens I'm also auditioning a RSL setup at the same time. I switching back and forth but keeping the sub the same.)
Have you compared the NHTs to the RSLs yet? Just curious on your impressions.

Regarding crossover for mains and center, I generally experiment in the 60 to 100 Hz range to find the best balance of blend and slam. Having multiple subs helps with this.

FYI, a lot of folks bump sub level several dB post Audyssey.

What version of Audyssey do you have?

With XT32 and the MultEQ Editor App, many folks prefer to limit equalization to below 200-400 Hz to help with room resonance, but not alter the midrange and up.


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Have you compared the NHTs to the RSLs yet? Just curious on your impressions.

Regarding crossover for mains and center, I generally experiment in the 60 to 100 Hz range to find the best balance of blend and slam. Having multiple subs helps with this.

FYI, a lot of folks bump sub level several dB post Audyssey.

What version of Audyssey do you have?

With XT32 and the MultEQ Editor App, many folks prefer to limit equalization to below 200-400 Hz to help with room resonance, but not alter the midrange and up.


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Yes, I have had an opportunity to listen to both of them, at first without any calibration then with. I'm not a seasoned audiophile so I probably won't be able to give you truly meaningful insights, but here are my observations, through untrained eyes. Hope it helps.


NHT C-3+C-LCR+Speedwoofer 10S: They sounded a bit harsh, especially with Audyssey room calibration, so much so that I had to do most of my listening with MultEQ X32 off. The clarity you get from these speakers is amazing and they image beautifully. All in all, they're fantastic speakers. I just wish they weren't so bright at the top end. I contacted Jonathan Sun, NHT's GM. He volunteered the fact that the speakers are a little harsh out of the box, but also said they'd mellow out with some break-in time. I simply haven’t had enough time on them at a decent listening levels to do them justice. I got them from Amazon for an amazing price: $275 for each of the C-3s, and $278 for the C-LCR. But I'm planning to return them for two primary reasons: One is that I still have a few more speakers that I want to listen to before making a final choice. The other is that the two C-3s that Amazon sent me are pretty mismatched, by 2 dB according to Audyssey. I know it's not room placement or poor mic positioning. I've swapped the position of the two speakers, and taken great care to line everything up perfectly with a tape measure and a level when making calibration runs. That 2 dB difference in sensitivity between the two C-3s is real.


RSL CG5+CG25+Speedwoofer 10S: I’ve only had a few hours of listening on them but so far I like them a great deal. They sound more well-rounded, not as stark as the NHTs, go lower and give you plenty of detail. They don’t image the way the NHTs did but that may be because I haven’t found the ideal amount of toe-in. Subjectively speaking, I get the sense that they’re of a higher quality. I’ll give you more update in a few more days.


Regarding crossover, I settled on 80 Hz for NHTs and 60 for the RSLs. That’s where they sounded the best. Regarding Audyssey, what I’ve learned from this experience is exactly what you alluded to: that it sucks for the mid-to-high frequency range. I’m using a Denon X3500H so it’s MultEQ X32 for me. The MultEQ Editor App sounds like it might be life saver but 20 bucks?


Finally, Audyssey trimmied the sub (I’m using just one) to –4 dB. Should it bump it up to 0? (EDIT: I did some reading about subwoofer calibrating and came to the conclusion that would be a bad idea. I should rather turn up the subwoofer gain enough that Audyssey gives me a negative trim of 9 or 10. Then set the "Subwoofer Level Adjust" in the setup menu to -5 or -6...thereabouts.)

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Regarding crossover, I settled on 80 Hz for NHTs and 60 for the RSLs. That’s where they sounded the best. Regarding Audyssey, what I’ve learned from this experience is exactly what you alluded to: that it sucks for the mid-to-high frequency range. I’m using a Denon X3500H so it’s MultEQ X32 for me. The MultEQ Editor App sounds like it might be life saver but 20 bucks?


Finally, Audyssey trimmied the sub (I’m using just one) to –4 dB. Should it bump it up to 0? (EDIT: I did some reading about subwoofer calibrating and came to the conclusion that would be a bad idea. I should rather turn up the subwoofer gain enough that Audyssey gives me a negative trim of 9 or 10. Then set the "Subwoofer Level Adjust" in the setup menu to -5 or -6...thereabouts.)
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A 2 dB difference in the C3s would make be believe that one of them is defective, so I understand why you are returning the NHTs.

I feel the MultEQ Editor App is worth the 20 bucks because it allows you to limit the correction range an make other tweaks/experiments.

Regarding sub level, yes, keeping the sub level in the "-" even after post-Audyssey boost is a common recommendation. Personally, I don't boost with the "Subwoofer Level Adjust" feature. I boost in the source-specific channel level adjustment, where I increase both of my subs 5-7 dB depending on source material, while still keeping the sub levels in the "-".

If/when money and space allow, I have found that adding a second sub (with same design) is a nice upgrade in bass headroom and smoothness. Just an upgrade path to consider for the future, regardless of the main speakers chosen...


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I currently have an NHT system consisting of Classic 2 FLR a classic 2 center and classic ones at rear plus Atmos speakers also from NHT. This is all being powered by a Yamaha Aventage RX1060.
I have now placed an order for C3 to use in the front LR instead of the 2s. My question is, am I going to be OK power wise?
The room is not big and I do not listen very loud, however I know speakers do not sound their best if not properly powered.
What say you folks?.
The yammie is rated at 110 watts/2 channels driven.
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^^ Both the NHT Classic 2 and C3 have a sensitivity of 86db. Actually the C3 is 87db so if your Yamaha RX-A1060 has no problem with the current speakers, it'll have no problem with the C3 either.
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^^ Both the NHT Classic 2 and C3 have a sensitivity of 86db. Actually the C3 is 87db so if your Yamaha RX-A1060 has no problem with the current speakers, it'll have no problem with the C3 either.
Thanks a lot, I feel more at ease right now.
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