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post #4231 of 6337 Old 11-20-2015, 06:03 PM
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Hey Ray, in reference to post number 4218, what audio/video processor would you recommend? A budget that fits well with the KEF r700s I suppose.

Depending of your budget, two come to mind for value.


https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/975.html
Only $550, but it does not use Balance connections, for most people this not matter.
7.1 channels but No Audyssey.


For more money, you can get the little brother of my AV8801
https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/av7702.html
This one does Atmos where mine doesn't
Also have balance connections, a plus in my book.
Also it is 11.2 channels and have Audyssey XT32.
Not bad for $1200
So if you can swig-it, this is the way I would go
I think it would be a very nice processor (AV7702) if you can afford the price.


I believe the replacement of my AV8801 to AV8802 is around $4000 (and I am waiting for the AV880? that will do Dolby Atmos and the new DTS one).



You can always go with a good receiver.
There quality now a day is pretty good.
More processing for the money and more options.


Is a processor over a receiver worth it? For me Yes, but you only get a little return for the money. So for most folks, No.
Just been honest. it is like what ever hobby you are in.
Mine is audio, others can be anything, cars, gun and scope...
But they do have one thing in comment.
The more you are serious about-it, the more expensive it get.


At the end, it is all about what you need and want (5.1 or 11.2, balance or not etc..).
Also, I thought Emotiva hade a value processor, but the only one I could find was 2.2
https://emotiva.com/products/pres-and-pros/xsp-1


Hope this help a little.




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A new pic as requested earlier just got the 12's and loving them


Love pictures like these
It remind me of the days of when you had to work around the room (and keep the wife happy), and did not have dictated room like I do now.
It keep you, humble and remind you where I also started


It is of pictures like this and many other one, that keep me interested into this hobby and like to help when I can.


Well done, look very good!
Speakers in a perfect position and keep the room looking good.


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Thanks ray its been a challenge but eventually Ill be there,
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Depending of your budget, two come to mind for value.

https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/975.html
Only $550, but it does not use Balance connections, for most people this not matter.
7.1 channels but No Audyssey.

For more money, you can get the little brother of my AV8801
https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/av7702.html
This one does Atmos where mine doesn't
Also have balance connections, a plus in my book.
Also it is 11.2 channels and have Audyssey XT32.
Not bad for $1200
So if you can swig-it, this is the way I would go
I think it would be a very nice processor (AV7702) if you can afford the price.

I believe the replacement of my AV8801 to AV8802 is around $4000 (and I am waiting for the AV880? that will do Dolby Atmos and the new DTS one).

You can always go with a good receiver.
There quality now a day is pretty good.
More processing for the money and more options.

Is a processor over a receiver worth it? For me Yes, but you only get a little return for the money. So for most folks, No.
Just been honest. it is like what ever hobby you are in.
Mine is audio, others can be anything, cars, gun and scope...
But they do have one thing in comment.
The more you are serious about-it, the more expensive it get.

At the end, it is all about what you need and want (5.1 or 11.2, balance or not etc..).
Also, I thought Emotiva hade a value processor, but the only one I could find was 2.2
https://emotiva.com/products/pres-and-pros/xsp-1

Hope this help a little.

Ray
Thanks. I was just checking. I think as separate as I was go for now is with power amps.

I actually ran 3.1 for the longest time. For a while, I didn't run surrounds and was dealing with the biggest headaches trying to decide which sub to purchase that was right for me

I'm hoping to get a lot done with the home audio setup this weekend. You're right....it's a pretty expensive hobby...

Also, thanks for the HT comment.

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A new pic as requested earlier just got the 12's and loving them
It seems some of those pictures that are closest to the couch (4 smaller, black framed ones specifically) have been enjoying your setup as well

I really wanted to grab a pair of those RTI12s when Fry's electronics had them on sale for $299 each, I believe (promo code).
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New speakers new picture. Now all the rings have the same size

Very nice! We all know how important that is to have consistent decorative ring sizes.


Just kidding. That looks like a really nice setup. More importantly, you like the sound better.


So has your "better half" noticed the size difference? Most women do, though they don't actually say anything to the man they love. Rather, they will talk about it with their female friends.
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Haha, that's a good one. I was a little nervous when she looked at the speakers last night , but I think she didn't notice the change in size. For me it was a huge difference. R700 is much larger than R500.

It's all good, now I can buy bigger and more expensive gears
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What is that component under the blu ray player?

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What is that component under the blu ray player?
It is a htpc, the cabinet is from Silverstone.
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It is a htpc, the cabinet is from Silverstone.
Gotcha. I've always wanted to try some KEF speakers.

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Thanks ray its been a challenge but eventually Ill be there,

I like to say, it's not a race but a journey
Take your time and be happy with your decisions.


A year or two can go by very fast


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It seems some of those pictures that are closest to the couch (4 smaller, black framed ones specifically) have been enjoying your setup as well

I really wanted to grab a pair of those RTI12s when Fry's electronics had them on sale for $299 each, I believe (promo code).

Very nice set-up


Is your center speaker angled-up?
If not I would do so, you can PM or quote me for instructions.
This could change your front stage (sound wise) to the better.


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Thanks. I was just checking. I think as separate as I was go for now is with power amps.

I actually ran 3.1 for the longest time. For a while, I didn't run surrounds and was dealing with the biggest headaches trying to decide which sub to purchase that was right for me

I'm hoping to get a lot done with the home audio setup this weekend. You're right....it's a pretty expensive hobby...

Also, thanks for the HT comment.

Keep us posted


I think you are doing fine, you took care of the front stage first and then the bass.


Not knowing your budget, I would attack your room in this matter.


-A good AVR with output for amps
-Surrounds speaker since you have already have the front stage and sub taken care of.
-An extra amp for the surrounds, then last
-change the AVR to a real processor


One at the time and from the most difference to the least.


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Center speaker angle up.
Out rigger on the speakers and center stand.
And the best, some room acoustic


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Keep us posted


I think you are doing fine, you took care of the front stage first and then the bass.


Not knowing your budget, I would attack your room in this matter.


-A good AVR with output for amps
-Surrounds speaker since you have already have the front stage and sub taken care of.
-An extra amp for the surrounds, then last
-change the AVR to a real processor


One at the time and from the most difference to the least.


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Well, if you note my signature, I currently run HTD Level 2 tower surrounds.
I want to add front heights, and another set of surrounds for 9.2 setup. Ill post pictures of my surrounds and ask for placement suggestion for the rear surrounds. Can you have monopole surrounds, and dipole rear surrounds?

I have a bed as my LP, so it's really 1 LP, with the occasional 2nd LP. But you know, those LPs are close together What I mean is that my center is lifted about 4" off the entertainment center for a near-perfect line directed at ear level. Angling the center up would aim the sound above my head.

What would you suggest for a real processor and amp(s) if my budget for both is $2000? What would a real processor gain me? (Actual, serious question)

Since I'm now moving toward more HT instead of music, I'm contemplating demoing other speakers that excel more-so in the HT area rather than music.

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FWIW, I'm finding my KEF R series speakers acquit themselves equally well in 2.1 music as they do in surround sound.


It would be a relatively high end system to go R series the whole way, but my long term plan is to get there. They have shortcuts by virtue of some "package deals", though I don't think it's a terrific price because KEF can't undercut their dealers.


https://www.kefdirect.com/index.php/...lby-atmos.html
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FWIW, I'm finding my KEF R series speakers acquit themselves equally well in 2.1 music as they do in surround sound.


It would be a relatively high end system to go R series the whole way, but my long term plan is to get there. They have shortcuts by virtue of some "package deals", though I don't think it's a terrific price because KEF can't undercut their dealers.


https://www.kefdirect.com/index.php/...lby-atmos.html
I wouldn't get the KEF sub, surrounds or atmos speakers offered in the package. I don't think I will ever purchase a large package deal that I cannot customize (like you can on Ascend's website). I am a super fan of having a high quality front stage and subs, while skimping on the surrounds. Surrounds are typically not used for music - usually only for HT. You should get lost in the movie so well that you don't even notice the SQ coming from your surround speakers. Surrounds are just accents to the mains - a backstage singer. And a backstage singer is not as good as the lead singer.

With music, you're supposed to pay attention to the speaker SQ/imaging, etc. That's why it's so important to have a very strong front left and right channel, and an equally strong center when switching from music to HT.

If you wanted to keep everything KEF, I would drop down to the Q series for speakers for surrounds. You will never blow them because such little content is sent to surrounds, and the content that is sent, does not require a lot of power. That also means you would have two different subs which will be harder to integrate. Getting the Q series of surrounds would easily leave you the budget to add a 2nd sealed sub to help with room smoothing. If you haven't heard the benefit of going duals, it's definitely something to try out. I don't think I will never run a single sub again. Lots of people go duals for room smoothing capabilities, not bass output. But you do gain bass output adding the 2nd sub (anywhere from 3dB - 6dB depending on placement and the room). You could also add lots of room treatments to make the KEF speakers shine. It's said that the room makes up around 40% of how your speakers will sound. Adding acoustic panels to at least the first reflection points will greatly improve the SQ of the overall system.

I'm just giving advice on what I would do, but also on a budget to save some money. I, by no means, am saying that buying the KEF package is wrong. It's 100% up to you and what makes you happy. I also envy those R series speakers you have. They are beautiful speakers and the setup looks very nice and clean.

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I wouldn't get the KEF sub, surrounds or atmos speakers offered in the package. I don't think I will ever purchase a large package deal that I cannot customize (like you can on Ascend's website). <<


>>If you wanted to keep everything KEF, I would drop down to the Q series for speakers for surrounds.


I'm just giving advice on what I would do, but also on a budget to save some money. I, by no means, am saying that buying the KEF package is wrong. It's 100% up to you and what makes you happy. I also envy those R series speakers you have. They are beautiful speakers and the setup looks very nice and clean.
I would also never buy a package deal like that, for mostly the same reasons.


My current surround speakers for the 5.1 system are older iQ10 that my son had gifted me and in HT applications it's exactly as you said. I (nor anyone else) has ever noticed the differing sound quality from those two while watching movies.


In the coming year I will very likely upgrade them to R100. It's not just so they aesthetically match the main L-R pair of R500 & R200C. You see, while 90% of my use of the system is in 2.1 stereo music, every now & then I do switch over to Dolby PLII Music for when I'm moving about the house more and just want good overall sound without depending upon being closer to the (wide) sweet spot of the R500's. Even watching the Eric Clapton Crossroads DVD the differential is noticeable if for no other reason than it's "music TV."


Also, thinking about moving some furniture around and possibly going 7.1 (maybe even 7.2), I'd want to have matching rear and surrounds. By them I won't be able to find matching iQ10's easily, but R100 should be plentiful (despite the much higher cost.)
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I would also never buy a package deal like that, for mostly the same reasons.


My current surround speakers for the 5.1 system are older iQ10 that my son had gifted me and in HT applications it's exactly as you said. I (nor anyone else) has ever noticed the differing sound quality from those two while watching movies.


In the coming year I will very likely upgrade them to R100. It's not just so they aesthetically match the main L-R pair of R500 & R200C. You see, while 90% of my use of the system is in 2.1 stereo music, every now & then I do switch over to Dolby PLII Music for when I'm moving about the house more and just want good overall sound without depending upon being closer to the (wide) sweet spot of the R500's. Even watching the Eric Clapton Crossroads DVD the differential is noticeable if for no other reason than it's "music TV."


Also, thinking about moving some furniture around and possibly going 7.1 (maybe even 7.2), I'd want to have matching rear and surrounds. By them I won't be able to find matching iQ10's easily, but R100 should be plentiful (despite the much higher cost.)
Have you tried multi channel as opposed to PL II if you're moving around the house? I would test a 2nd sub for sure - that's the great thing about SVS. Enjoy the journey!

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Have you tried multi channel as opposed to PL II if you're moving around the house? I would test a 2nd sub for sure - that's the great thing about SVS. Enjoy the journey!
Haven't tried it but if the NAD T758 that I'm auditioning until Tuesday has it, I will. Loving the improvement this receiver is over my current Denon AVR-1912, BTW. Noticeable improvement in many areas of sound quality, something I wouldn't notice with lesser speakers than these KEF R500's.


Even the SVS SB1000 sounds better, though the placebo effect of me wanting it to sound better is likely playing a role here.
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Haven't tried it but if the NAD T758 that I'm auditioning until Tuesday has it, I will. Loving the improvement this receiver is over my current Denon AVR-1912, BTW. Noticeable improvement in many areas of sound quality, something I wouldn't notice with lesser speakers than these KEF R500's.


Even the SVS SB1000 sounds better, though the placebo effect of me wanting it to sound better is likely playing a role here.
Any reason to choose the NAD over a newer Denon? An example would be the x4100

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Any reason to choose the NAD over a newer Denon? An example would be the x4100
Free audition, powerful enough (beating the snot out of my 90w/ch 1912), potentially higher SQ, don't need a lot of the features the Denon AVR-X4200W (or 4100) have, upgradeable video/HDMI output card, solid dealer/manufacturer support, bargain price on floor demo model, and more.


I don't know of any dealers willing to let me audition the newer Denon either. When I bring this back on Tuesday I'll be heading back home with an Anthem MRX-510 to try that. Anxious to see if the Anthem ARC system is capable of getting more out of my difficult room shape.


I might mention that the long term goal is perhaps to use the high quality pre-outs of the NAD or Anthem to feed a higher quality 7 or more channel power amp, then dispense with the receiver in favor of a matching surround/DAC pre-amp.


Oh and one more thing: The high quality pre-outs of the NAD or Anthem might lend themselves well as I move to something like an NAD M27 amp, then a matching surround pre-amp.


One of the few things the Denon has over the NAD is the better version of Audessey. I used what the NAD has and it's already sounding far better than what the Audessey with my current Denon got me.

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Free audition, powerful enough (beating the snot out of my 90w/ch 1912), potentially higher SQ, don't need a lot of the features the Denon AVR-X4200W (or 4100) have, upgradeable video/HDMI output card, solid dealer/manufacturer support, bargain price on floor demo model, and more.


I don't know of any dealers willing to let me audition the newer Denon either. When I bring this back on Tuesday I'll be heading back home with an Anthem MRX-510 to try that. Anxious to see if the Anthem ARC system is capable of getting more out of my difficult room shape.


One of the few things the Denon has over the NAD is the better version of Audessey. I used what the NAD has and it's already sounding far better than what the Audessey with my current Denon got me.
Well, I said the x4100 because it's discounted down to $800 being last years model. It supports Atmos, Audyssey XT32, DTS Neo:X, 125wpc (8ohm 2-channels driven), and lots more. It's great for HT. I would simply purchase one from Amazon and return it within 30 days. It's worth a shot. It's also $200 cheaper than the NAD. I've never owned a NAD anything before, so I cannot comment on the quality of it's amps or build.

I actually got my x4100 for free. I ran into some issues with my x4000 several months after purchase (purchased after the x4100 was released) and Denon sent me a x4100 (NEW) for free after I returned the x4000 (which is now over 2 years old) because the x4200 had already been released, which made the x4100 $800. They did this because they didn't have anymore x4000s in stock, and because of wasted money and effort I spent shipping the unit to repair shops who couldn't find anything wrong with it.

I ran my Motion 40s at full range, and -20dB master volume with bass heavy content with no issues while I was sub-less. I never did watch blu rays though, I wanted to save them to maximize my LFE.

Dual subs and room treatments would be a tremendous aid in getting the most out of your odd shaped room.

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I understand where you're coming from, and you're not the first to tell me this. The NAD is being offered to me at very near the same price and it's "FTC rated power" is 110 watts/ch. (137 dynamc) and I don't seem to need any more than what this one puts out right now. Just like the incumbent Denon I have the L-R mains bi-amped by setting the unused rear channels and it's right on par with higher SPL at the same -dB volume settings. Loud enough to barely be able to stay in the room, and no signs of clipping.


After twice editing my previous post (didn't save fir some reason), I'll state that this is part of a one to two year path to get the very most from the R series array. After the receiver upgrade I'll have high quality pre-outs to a separate power amp, such as the NAD M27. (Power would never again be an issue!) The final step would be a good surround pre-amp such as the NAD M17. Of course I'll be considering similar performing products from Emotiva, Parasound, Bryston, etc., just giving the NAD as an example.


Once that path is implemented, I'll be upgrading the diet of signal fed to it.


This is what makes hi-fi & HT a hobby. Though more expensive than knitting, it's cheaper than the high performance cars and motorbikes that have endangered my life along with the budget.
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Well, if you note my signature, I currently run HTD Level 2 tower surrounds.
I want to add front heights, and another set of surrounds for 9.2 setup. Ill post pictures of my surrounds and ask for placement suggestion for the rear surrounds. Can you have monopole surrounds, and dipole rear surrounds?

I have a bed as my LP, so it's really 1 LP, with the occasional 2nd LP. But you know, those LPs are close together What I mean is that my center is lifted about 4" off the entertainment center for a near-perfect line directed at ear level. Angling the center up would aim the sound above my head.

What would you suggest for a real processor and amp(s) if my budget for both is $2000? What would a real processor gain me? (Actual, serious question)

Since I'm now moving toward more HT instead of music, I'm contemplating demoing other speakers that excel more-so in the HT area rather than music.

Your LP is your bed and you are going to do 9.2
And the .2 are 18 inches
Assuming a bedroom this is a lot of bass


I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge, and my ability to pass it on, many time I express myself the wrong way


For "so it's really 1 LP, with the occasional 2nd LP. But you know, those LPs are close together "
All good here just stick to LP1
For "What I mean is that my center is lifted about 4" off the entertainment center for a near-perfect line directed at ear level. Angling the center up would aim the sound above my head"
Sound like your are doing the right thing, since I was not aware of your LP.


For "What would you suggest for a real processor and amp(s) if my budget for both is $2000? What would a real processor gain me? (Actual, serious question)"


This last one, I have to be conscious not to steer in the wrong direction since it is not my money!!!


The way of up grades to be heard as to biggest improvement to the least are;


-Speaker and sub/s first and room acoustic.
Both can play a big difference in your sound, so both are equal.


-Power, either from a receiver or power amp, if the power source ran out of juice, you will run into distortion and worst, clipping, a very dangerous place to be for speaker, since clipping can damage speakers. This is where a power amp make a difference for the power.


-adequate electronics and cables, speakers wires and cables should be of the proper sizes and I am guilty to over size when not needed.


How many channels do you need for a power/s amps?
This would be my second upgrade if you do not have room treatments.


Last but the most important one for the budget.
The processor fall into electronics. This one is difficult to explain and will try to do my best.


Processor use better parts;
DAC (Digital to Analog Converter)
Resistors, capacitors and so on.
At the end, it result into a more spacious sound that make the speakers disappear.


My most important suggestion to you.
Buy an AVR for now!
The words of electronics is moving to fast for the formats wars.
2 years ago, my processor was a reference piece, now it is a boat anchors.
When all the format settle, then you can move into processors if you still so desire


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