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I should probably throw out here - just to keep things "real" - that pumping 300 watts into Rti8's is pretty much overkill. Even 200 watts is more than those speakers really need. If you can't get enough "oomph" then what you really need is larger speakers. The case for higher powered amps is really needed for speakers with multiple driver arrays... four drivers on a 90 watt amp will sap it dry, as will six drivers on a 120wpc amp. The three drivers in the 8's is probably about right. Moving up to 120 watts will likely give you more headroom, but the greatest difference would be realized moving from an AVR to a dedicated amp, as the power supplies on stand alone amps are much beefier than those on AVR's. But again, you can only drive the Rti8's (or the equivalent RtiA5's) only so far. If the OP intends to eventually move up to larger speakers, then by all means get a big amp. If you intend to stay with the Rti8's, then maybe opt for a more powerful amp if you already want to upgrade your AVR for other reasons, such as connectivity features, or maybe just age. Again, just keeping things real.
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Hi everyone,

I have a pair of Polk Rti A3's as my front LR speakers and a Polk Csi A6 center channel. They are powered by a Yamaha RX-V675. I am looking for surround speakers, and was wondering what you would recommend. I am considering a pair of FxiA6's for $300 or a pair of RtiA1's for about the same price. My couch is on the rear wall where the surrounds will need to be wall mounted, so I was thinking the pair of tweeters on the FxiA6s might be better. If the sound won't be great either way because of placement, I could just get cheap surround speakers now (any recommendations, especially wireless?) and then replace them when I have a better space. Running wires around my rental apartment will not be easy or fun!

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input

I've been out of the game for a number of years, so any input is appreciated.

Viewing area is 14' W x 17' D, couch will be about 13' from the LCR.

Fronts: RTi A5
Center: CSi A6
Rears: FXi A4
Sub: PB1000 or HSU STF-2
AVR: Onkyo 636

Would the A7's be worth the extra money, or are they too much for my space?

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try getting a pair of RTi4's they'll match well with your speakers, then if you get a bigger place you can get towers and make a voice matched 7 channel system using your RTi A3's as surrounds.

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I've been out of the game for a number of years, so any input is appreciated.

Viewing area is 14' W x 17' D, couch will be about 13' from the LCR.

Fronts: RTi A5
Center: CSi A6
Rears: FXi A4
Sub: PB1000 or HSU STF-2
AVR: Onkyo 636

Would the A7's be worth the extra money, or are they too much for my space?

Thanks!
Wouldn't up to the A7's with a 636, a PB-1000 will give you all the low end you need.

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Wouldn't up to the A7's with a 636, a PB-1000 will give you all the low end you need.
I would think the 2x 7" drivers will open up the midrange on the A7's. But I can see the valid debate between the A5's 2x 6.5" cone, vs the A7 single 6.5 and 2x 7" for midrange. I would have to listen to them both to decide. When we first listened to Polk we started with the A7's vs Klipsch and loved the Polk sound, but I picked up 3x A9's on a really great sale so I have never personally done an A/B comparison of the line.

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try getting a pair of RTi4's they'll match well with your speakers, then if you get a bigger place you can get towers and make a voice matched 7 channel system using your RTi A3's as surrounds.
Thanks for the input...I prefer the looks of the A series upgrade, but why those instead of the FXiA6 since they are the dedicated surrounds? I haven't heard much about the FXiA6's, but they are discounted while the standard bookshelf speakers are not. This set up is for 95% home theater, by the way.
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I am looking for surround speakers, and was wondering what you would recommend. I am considering a pair of FxiA6's for $300 or a pair of RtiA1's for about the same price. My couch is on the rear wall where the surrounds will need to be wall mounted, so I was thinking the pair of tweeters on the FxiA6s might be better.
Agree with you on that. The Fxi's are great surrounds, and it sounds like you have the right room for their placement. The A1's would work well if side mounted, but for back wall mounting the Fxi's will deliver greater dispersion and less directionality.
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Make that plus 1 for the FxiA6
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Hello, fellow Polk-ers.

I have very recently finished upgrading my system, but I seem to want to be always improving everything so I started looking into the FXi A4s.

Current setup: (Room size 14' x 20' x 9')

Fronts - RTi A1s
Center - CSi A4
Surrounds - TSi 100s
Sub - BIC PL-200

I've got everything tuned and it sounds spectacular. I know the TSi 100s aren't the usual speaker most use for their surrounds, but would I be getting a HUGE benefit if I purchased the FXi A4s?

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Hello, fellow Polk-ers.

I have very recently finished upgrading my system, but I seem to want to be always improving everything so I started looking into the FXi A4s.

Current setup: (Room size 14' x 20' x 9')

Fronts - RTi A1s
Center - CSi A4
Surrounds - TSi 100s
Sub - BIC PL-200

I've got everything tuned and it sounds spectacular. I know the TSi 100s aren't the usual speaker most use for their surrounds, but would I be getting a HUGE benefit if I purchased the FXi A4s?

Thanks.
unless you listen to 5 channel music you probably will not get much. replacing the sub, would be the best next upgrade.
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unless you listen to 5 channel music you probably will not get much. replacing the sub, would be the best next upgrade.
I should add that I use my home theater for 90% movies/tv, 10% music (and not from quality sources - Pandora/Youtube). Does that change your suggestion?

Also, I just upgraded my sub from an old Dayton 120 - I'm loving the new PL.
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unless you listen to 5 channel music you probably will not get much. replacing the sub, would be the best next upgrade.
Like a fellow Polkie once said, sound advice!

It will make a way more discernable difference on your system performance.
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I should add that I use my home theater for 90% movies/tv, 10% music (and not from quality sources - Pandora/Youtube). Does that change your suggestion?

Also, I just upgraded my sub from an old Dayton 120 - I'm loving the new PL.
The BIC is a fine bang for the buck sub.. If you love it, it can stay there. There is other options!

A really effective upgrade would be to treat your room acoustically. It can be made DYI easily.. If not, companies like GIK acoustics make pro panels at an affordable price. You would notice a big leap in sound quality both for movies and music.

Another upgrade you could look for is upgrading the fronts for RTI-A towers. You could then upgrade your surround at the same time by pulling the Rti-A1 at surround task, and then put the TSIs as back surrounds... I don't know about your listening habits, and the budget, though. But you room is big enough to hear the benefits of towers at high volume over bookshelves. The midbass slam of towers adds another dimension to HT...

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The BIC is a fine bang for the buck sub.. If you love it, it can stay there. There is other options!

A really effective upgrade would be to treat your room acoustically. It can be made DYI easily.. If not, companies like GIK acoustics make pro panels at an affordable price. You would notice a big leap in sound quality both for movies and music.

Another upgrade you could look for is upgrading the fronts for RTI-A towers. You could then upgrade your surround at the same time by pulling the Rti-A1 at surround task, and then put the TSIs as back surrounds... I don't know about your listening habits, and the budget, though. But you room is big enough to hear the benefits of towers at high volume over bookshelves. The midbass slam of towers adds another dimension to HT...
towers with a sub, you can usual find higher end bookshelf for the same prices and you have the sub for the low end which can be better placed in your room.
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towers with a sub, you can usual find higher end bookshelf for the same prices and you have the sub for the low end which can be better placed in your room.
Sure, I've done precisely that. But I must add that the bass performance of my previous system (towers with subs) was superior to the current bookies /subs setup I have right now. Depends what floats your boat. IMHO, you'll never get with bookies the midbass slam you get with a tower/sub combo.

But on every other aspect, the polk bookies crush the towers I've had for sure...

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It's looking like the next logical step for me is to get towers for my fronts. Since I literally just upgraded though, this won't be happening for a long while!

Just looking at a few, it looks like the RTi A7s are pretty solid - but I've read a few articles where it's recommended to match the size of your woofers (all my current woofers match at 5.25") but I'd like to not upgrade all my other speakers to a larger woofer just to match the size of the towers. Is it that important?
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It's looking like the next logical step for me is to get towers for my fronts. Since I literally just upgraded though, this won't be happening for a long while!

Just looking at a few, it looks like the RTi A7s are pretty solid - but I've read a few articles where it's recommended to match the size of your woofers (all my current woofers match at 5.25") but I'd like to not upgrade all my other speakers to a larger woofer just to match the size of the towers. Is it that important?
a1 to a7 not worth the cost of the upgrade. It would be better to find a better book speaker. Room treatments are the next most bang for the buck upgrade. What do you feel you are missing in your current system?
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a1 to a7 not worth the cost of the upgrade. It would be better to find a better book speaker. Room treatments are the next most bang for the buck upgrade. What do you feel you are missing in your current system?
I'm not sure I'm missing anything, but I've never heard a 7.1 HT system, either (something else I've always wondered if I "needed"). I'm very happy with my A1s, coming from TSi 100 fronts I'm amazed at the difference (same with going from a CS10 to CSi A4 center). I just have a perpetual itch to always improve things, I guess.

I've read where when you turn on music or pop in a movie and the experience makes you smile, you have a good system for your tastes, and I think I'm there right now.
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Sure, I've done precisely that. But I must add that the bass performance of my previous system (towers with subs) was superior to the current bookies /subs setup I have right now. Depends what floats your boat. IMHO, you'll never get with bookies the midbass slam you get with a tower/sub combo.

But on every other aspect, the polk bookies crush the towers I've had for sure...
I have had 703 and 705 in the same room, There are times I miss the midbass on the 703 I just had better placement with them and the sub. But then the 2 year old isn't going to knock the 705 over when she touches them.
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It's looking like the next logical step for me is to get towers for my fronts. Since I literally just upgraded though, this won't be happening for a long while!

Just looking at a few, it looks like the RTi A7s are pretty solid - but I've read a few articles where it's recommended to match the size of your woofers (all my current woofers match at 5.25") but I'd like to not upgrade all my other speakers to a larger woofer just to match the size of the towers. Is it that important?
Sometimes with our feed back you have to take it with a grain of salt it's not that we lie but when we change from bookies to towers or back things get moved and that will sometimes have more impact on sq then we consider. I wold err on the side of what the speaker designers advise on the form. "buy bookshelf and a sub because it is always a better value" and your room is the largest part of sq equation.
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... coming from TSi 100 fronts I'm amazed at the difference (same with going from a CS10 to CSi A4 center).
Amen to that. Rti's are leaps and bounds over the Monitor/Tsi line. Wish I'd known sooner just how true that is!

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I've read where when you turn on music or pop in a movie and the experience makes you smile, you have a good system for your tastes, and I think I'm there right now.
And it just keeps getting better. Being happy with what you have is far better than always wondering what might be better. At some point everything just fits together and you get a chance to catch your breath, sit back and just smile.
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Hello, fellow Polk-ers.

I have very recently finished upgrading my system, but I seem to want to be always improving everything so I started looking into the FXi A4s.

Current setup: (Room size 14' x 20' x 9')

Fronts - RTi A1s
Center - CSi A4
Surrounds - TSi 100s
Sub - BIC PL-200

I've got everything tuned and it sounds spectacular. I know the TSi 100s aren't the usual speaker most use for their surrounds, but would I be getting a HUGE benefit if I purchased the FXi A4s?

Thanks.


Upgrade the sub before anything else...that BIC is contributing nothing but bloated boomy bass. Something like a Rythmik LV12r would be a substantial upgrade.
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Upgrade the sub before anything else...that BIC is contributing nothing but bloated boomy bass. Something like a Rythmik LV12r would be a substantial upgrade.
yeah, this is a case of ignorance being bliss. you think that boomy mess is bass. Then you get into a good sub, and it's like the veil being lifted except it lacks a some punch because it's not the bloated mess and you have to start adding more to even it all out.
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Upgrade the sub before anything else...that BIC is contributing nothing but bloated boomy bass.
Boomy indeed. FWIW I was driven out of a BIC thread here on AVS a few years back by the fanboys when I expressed some disappointment with the performance of my new F12 sub. They all said the problem was with my hearing... Took me a while to get over that one, and haven't been back. Fortunately I was able to sell it for just a little less than what I paid for it.

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Boomy indeed. FWIW I was driven out of a BIC thread here on AVS a few years back by the fanboys when I expressed some disappointment with the performance of my new F12 sub. They all said the problem was with my hearing... Took me a while to get over that one, and haven't been back. Fortunately I was able to sell it for just a little less than what I paid for it.
Sounds a lot better than my old sub, and with how I have it tuned, it sounds just fine. Not boomy at all. I'm sure a $600 sub would be amazing, but I don't practically see myself being able to afford that for a while. The PL is ~ a week old.

Don't get me wrong, I appreaciate the advice, but I guess I don't (or can't hear) anything wrong with my sub.
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yeah, this is a case of ignorance being bliss. you think that boomy mess is bass. Then you get into a good sub, and it's like the veil being lifted except it lacks a some punch because it's not the bloated mess and you have to start adding more to even it all out.
And yeah, I suppose this is the case for me - but I guess I don't think it's loud or bad bass - but it sounds like I don't know what 'good' bass is.
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And yeah, I suppose this is the case for me - but I guess I don't think it's loud or bad bass - but it sounds like I don't know what 'good' bass is.
Don't worry about it sir. You are the one that defines your needs. There is always something better than what you have anyways. It's an incurable itch!!!

If you like your sub, fine then. Learn to know it, how you can maximize it, have some fun with it. Like Rob lee said. When you'll be ready to pull the trigger, upgrade. Your sub maybe not at the top of the food chain, but it is far from a HTIB sub. I personnally had a Klipsch sw110b for years. It is far from the best subwoofer, but I liked it. It filled my needs at the time. I've rentabilized each dollar from it. I'm really happy to have upgraded since then. But I felt that it lended me great services for the price.

About speaker types: There's always two camps, two set of arguments to each situation. There is no rule of thumb that a bookshelf is always better than a tower... And no rule of thumb that a a tower is always better than a tower. Each one has its set of trades. Add to that the fact that all kinds of speakers will function differently in your precise room. Each room is different. I'd even go as far as to say that sometimes you may have a tendency to prefer a kind of speaker that won't be the best for your environment. I personnally prefer towers, but in my small room, Bookshelves are better sounding. Hence my recent speaker type change. I miss towers a little, but for now, the Bookies are the sensible choice. Will I stick to bookshhelves forever because I reaaaaaaaaaaallly love my LSIM bookies? No. Placement and surroundings will command the buy. I strongly advise you to read the most litterature you can on the subject, and forge your own idea. Forums are indeed a great way to get info and opinions, but weall don't think the same way!
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Don't worry about it sir. You are the one that defines your needs. There is always something better than what you have anyways. It's an incurable itch!!!

If you like your sub, fine then. Learn to know it, how you can maximize it, have some fun with it. Like Rob lee said. When you'll be ready to pull the trigger, upgrade. Your sub maybe not at the top of the food chain, but it is far from a HTIB sub. I personnally had a Klipsch sw110b for years. It is far from the best subwoofer, but I liked it. It filled my needs at the time. I've rentabilized each dollar from it. I'm really happy to have upgraded since then. But I felt that it lended me great services for the price.

About speaker types: There's always two camps, two set of arguments to each situation. There is no rule of thumb that a bookshelf is always better than a tower... And no rule of thumb that a a tower is always better than a tower. Each one has its set of trades. Add to that the fact that all kinds of speakers will function differently in your precise room. Each room is different. I'd even go as far as to say that sometimes you may have a tendency to prefer a kind of speaker that won't be the best for your environment. I personnally prefer towers, but in my small room, Bookshelves are better sounding. Hence my recent speaker type change. I miss towers a little, but for now, the Bookies are the sensible choice. Will I stick to bookshhelves forever because I reaaaaaaaaaaallly love my LSIM bookies? No. Placement and surroundings will command the buy. I strongly advise you to read the most litterature you can on the subject, and forge your own idea. Forums are indeed a great way to get info and opinions, but weall don't think the same way!
Thank you for your reply. I'm super happy for now, and as was posted before, it's time to put my feet up and enjoy.

I'll be looking to learn as much as I can about home theatre for the future upgrades!
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