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I was wondering whats the best brand of receiver for the polk RTi line of speakers.


I have polk rti12 for fronts, CSi5 for center, and rti4 for surrounds. I currently power my fronts with Adcom GFA555ii amp and an Emotiva XPA5 for center and surrounds.


My receiver is a 6 year old Yamaha RX-A1000 and I'm thinking of upgrading it in the next few months. I've read somewhere in this forum that yamahas are too bright for the RTi line of speakers. Given the chance of a possible upgrade, am I on the right route for a Marantz receiver/PRE amp?


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I have a Yamaha paired with my RTi A series speakers and it sounds great. Not too bright at all. I think it also sounds great for music...nice and full, very balanced. If anything, the low end is a touch more than the high end. All in all, the room will have a far greater effect on the speakers than the receiver, provided the receivers have similar specs.
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I was wondering whats the best brand of receiver for the polk RTi line of speakers.


I have polk rti12 for fronts, CSi5 for center, and rti4 for surrounds. I currently power my fronts with Adcom GFA555ii amp and an Emotiva XPA5 for center and surrounds.


My receiver is a 6 year old Yamaha RX-A1000 and I'm thinking of upgrading it in the next few months. I've read somewhere in this forum that yamahas are too bright for the RTi line of speakers. Given the chance of a possible upgrade, am I on the right route for a Marantz receiver/PRE amp?


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You didn't mention any subwoofer.

If you don't already have one, that would be my next "upgrade".
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You didn't mention any subwoofer.

If you don't already have one, that would be my next "upgrade".

sorry forgot to mention the sub. it's a BIC Acoustech PL-200. I might just add another PL-200 for an upgrade and be done with it. my theater is 60% movies and 40% music(more on jazz, blues, & classical side)


I've been looking www.accessories4less.com and they've got tempting offers. but something tells me it's too good to be true. anybody here purchased their audio equipment from them?

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they are a good retailer...many here have bought stuff from them.
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sorry forgot to mention the sub. it's a BIC Acoustech PL-200. I might just add another PL-200 for an upgrade and be done with it. my theater is 60% movies and 40% music(more on jazz, blues, & classical side)


I've been looking www.accessories4less.com and they've got tempting offers. but something tells me it's too good to be true. anybody here purchased their audio equipment from them?
I got my Yamaha from there about a year ago and no problems and others have had defective units and had no problem returning their items!
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I've been looking www.accessories4less.com and they've got tempting offers. but something tells me it's too good to be true. anybody here purchased their audio equipment from them?
I've purchased several AVR's (two Denon's and one Onk) from A4L and have never had any problems with them.
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thanks a lot everybody. i'll be shopping myself for Christmas at accessories4less then.
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Hey guys - I'm thinking about upgrading my old JBL G500's one of the Polk RTIA5/7/9 series and was wondering what you guys would recommend. I can get a good deal on them, so the price difference between the 5/7/9 would be negligible, but I'm worried about my power source. I've heard the 9's. and even the 7's are pretty power hungry and I'll just be driving them with a Denon 2113 receiver. Any advice? I'll mostly be using them for music and general TV stuff. Thanks.

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Hey guys - I'm thinking about upgrading my old JBL G500's one of the Polk RTIA5/7/9 series and was wondering what you guys would recommend. I can get a good deal on them, so the price difference between the 5/7/9 would be negligible, but I'm worried about my power source. I've heard the 9's. and even the 7's are pretty power hungry and I'll just be driving them with a Denon 2113 receiver. Any advice? I'll mostly be using them for music and general TV stuff. Thanks.
I have the RTiA 9s and are running them with a Yamaha RXA - 2020 and they seem fine. Sure I guess they could use more power but couldn't most speakers use a dedicated amp like a emotiva xpa-5 or similar?
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Hey guys - I'm thinking about upgrading my old JBL G500's one of the Polk RTIA5/7/9 series and was wondering what you guys would recommend. I can get a good deal on them, so the price difference between the 5/7/9 would be negligible, but I'm worried about my power source. I've heard the 9's. and even the 7's are pretty power hungry and I'll just be driving them with a Denon 2113 receiver. Any advice? I'll mostly be using them for music and general TV stuff. Thanks.
Do you have a powered subwoofer in your system? If so, and if you listen at less than reference volume in a small to mid-sized room, then the power requirement is probably a non-factor. Just set the cross-over in whatever mains you choose at around 80dB and your AVR will almost certainly them drive adequately.

FWIW, I have RTiA7's at FL/R and RTiA5's at FWL/R in a 11.1 setup with a Denon X5200 powering the listener-level nine speakers and have had zero issues.
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Do you have a powered subwoofer in your system? If so, and if you listen at less than reference volume in a small to mid-sized room, then the power requirement is probably a non-factor. Just set the cross-over in whatever mains you choose at around 80dB and your AVR will almost certainly them drive adequately.

FWIW, I have RTiA7's at FL/R and RTiA5's at FWL/R in a 11.1 setup with a Denon X5200 powering the listener-level nine speakers and have had zero issues.
I don't have a sub. I'm not necessarily opposed to getting one, but this is the living room system so I'd be happy without having one if I didn't need one. This would be for music more than anything else. It would also be a basic 3.0/3.1 system for TV/movies, but that wouldn't be the focus of it.
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I don't have a sub. I'm not necessarily opposed to getting one, but this is the living room system so I'd be happy without having one if I didn't need one. This would be for music more than anything else. It would also be a basic 3.0/3.1 system for TV/movies, but that wouldn't be the focus of it.
You basically have two solutions then:

1) buy the A9s and run them full range. You'll have to buy an external amp for sure to get the most/tightest bass from them.

2) buy the A5s and then buy a subwoofer. No point in having the A7 or A9 really if you're crossing them over at 80hz. You could also just get the A3 bookshelves, but the two midrange drivers on the A5s are appealing.

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You basically have two solutions then:

1) buy the A9s and run them full range. You'll have to buy an external amp for sure to get the most/tightest bass from them.

2) buy the A5s and then buy a subwoofer. No point in having the A7 or A9 really if you're crossing them over at 80hz. You could also just get the A3 bookshelves, but the two midrange drivers on the A5s are appealing.
I'll probably go with the A5s + sub then. Do you think the PSW125 would be sufficient?
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I'll probably go with the A5s + sub then. Do you think the PSW125 would be sufficient?
From everything I've heard Polk makes great speakers (and I personally love mine) but subwoofers aren't their forte. For a budget sub, I'd pick the Klipsch Sub 12. If your budget is higher, I'd pick an SVS PB1000 or the Rhythmik ported sub that's $569 (I'm blanking on the name)

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I don't have a sub. I'm not necessarily opposed to getting one, but this is the living room system so I'd be happy without having one if I didn't need one. This would be for music more than anything else. It would also be a basic 3.0/3.1 system for TV/movies, but that wouldn't be the focus of it.
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From everything I've heard Polk makes great speakers (and I personally love mine) but subwoofers aren't their forte. For a budget sub, I'd pick the Klipsch Sub 12. If your budget is higher, I'd pick an SVS PB1000 or the Rhythmik ported sub that's $569 (I'm blanking on the name)
I would advise against the Sub-12 for music. I love my two Sub-12's but I only use them for LFE. To be honest, I primarily use the A9 and A7 woofers for bass down to 40Hz (essentially any audible bass) and have the subs totally cut off for music listening. They have a great bottom end, but are not very articulate. If you expect them to pick up musical bass where the A5's six inch woofers roll off you will likely be disappointed.

Again, great subs for LFE but not for music. Also stay away from BIC... very boomy. I'm afraid I cannot help in recommending any internet direct subs, but among commercial subs the one I find most musical is the Klipsch SW-350. Good luck in whatever you choose.
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I would advise against the Sub-12 for music. I love my two Sub-12's but I only use them for LFE. To be honest, I primarily use the A9 and A7 woofers for bass down to 40Hz (essentially any audible bass) and have the subs totally cut off for music listening. They have a great bottom end, but are not very articulate. If you expect them to pick up musical bass where the A5's six inch woofers roll off you will likely be disappointed.

Again, great subs for LFE but not for music. Also stay away from BIC... very boomy. I'm afraid I cannot help in recommending any internet direct subs, but among commercial subs the one I find most musical is the Klipsch SW-350. Good luck in whatever you choose.
Likely good advice...for music you would likely be happier with the A9s and an external amp. The A9s will have enough bass if this isn't for deep bass in movies. For a musical sub with little interest in sub 25hz, you should get the SVS SB1000 or SB2000. Rhythmik also has a new sealed sub about that size but I know nothing about it.

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Likely good advice...for music you would likely be happier with the A9s and an external amp. The A9s will have enough bass if this isn't for deep bass in movies. For a musical sub with little interest in sub 25hz, you should get the SVS SB1000 or SB2000. Rhythmik also has a new sealed sub about that size but I know nothing about it.
The more I'm thinking about it, the more intrigued I become by the A9 with amp setup, but I'm worried about the cost of the amp. Are there any decent amps for around $500 or less that would drive them properly? I keep seeing people mention $800-$1500 amps for the A9s.
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The more I'm thinking about it, the more intrigued I become by the A9 with amp setup, but I'm worried about the cost of the amp. Are there any decent amps for around $500 or less that would drive them properly? I keep seeing people mention $800-$1500 amps for the A9s.
You will only need an amp if you intend to watch movies with highly dynamic audio range at -20dB or higher. If you have a subwoofer and cross the A9s over at 80Hz as recommended, then you will need one even less.

If you intend to listen to music at ear bleeding levels or watch movies near reference, that will honestly be the only time an amp will even get used. In stereo mode, with music, your AVR will be more than enough at moderate listening levels. Start there with your AVR and the A9s. Save up for a decent amp with at least 250W of power and a recommended 300 - 600WPC. There you will have all the power you will ever be able to use. The XPA-2 is a genuinely good quality amplifier. I know they are above your price range, but are worth saving for a while longer.

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You will only need an amp if you intend to watch movies with highly dynamic audio range at -20dB or higher. If you have a subwoofer and cross the A9s over at 80Hz as recommended, then you will need one even less.

If you intend to listen to music at ear bleeding levels or watch movies near reference, that will honestly be the only time an amp will even get used. In stereo mode, with music, your AVR will be more than enough at moderate listening levels. Start there with your AVR and the A9s. Save up for a decent amp with at least 250W of power and a recommended 300 - 600WPC. There you will have all the power you will ever be able to use. The XPA-2 is a genuinely good quality amplifier. I know they are above your price range, but are worth saving for a while longer.
So bottom line, in a medium size room at normal listening volume, I would never need more power? Would there ever be a reason to get something like the XPA-2 under those conditions? It seems like a lot of people think the A9's just plain don't sound as good without a lot of power.
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So bottom line, in a medium size room at normal listening volume, I would never need more power? Would there ever be a reason to get something like the XPA-2 under those conditions? It seems like a lot of people think the A9's just plain don't sound as good without a lot of power.
The real truth is that as long as you are feeding the speakers enough power to perform mechanically well enough to reach the desired SPL, it doesn't matter which amp you are using (relatively speaking). When the speakers are only drawing 74W, a 100W solid state amp in an AVR with sufficient current to power the amp will perform the exact same as a dedicated 300W solid state amp.

Now, throw in five or seven more channels and you are greatly limiting the power output of the AVR amp to drive the extra speakers. When the speakers require the extra watts for those dynamic scenes with massive range and extreme peaks, then you need some headroom. If you do not have the required headroom, the amp will clip and the speakers will not perform to their max. The dedicated amp will have the headroom you need when you watch a movie at say -5dB.

Take Mad Max Fury Road for example. That movie has some incredible dynamic range in the audio tracks. At higher volume levels, you will need a powerful amp to reproduce those big peaks.

...but yes, at moderate levels (around -20 to -25dB), in a room that size, you will probably never use the power of the amp. Only when I get crazy on the music or bump the level up to -12dB do I even see the LED indicators on my XPA-2 jumping past three or four lights. That's barely any power. Definitely not 300W being used. All that in a 16 x 30 room with a large doorway on one side.

(amps don't really change the sound, they just enable more power for extra SPL)
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The real truth is that as long as you are feeding the speakers enough power to perform mechanically well enough to reach the desired SPL, it doesn't matter which amp you are using (relatively speaking). When the speakers are only drawing 74W, a 100W solid state amp in an AVR with sufficient current to power the amp will perform the exact same as a dedicated 300W solid state amp.

Now, throw in five or seven more channels and you are greatly limiting the power output of the AVR amp to drive the extra speakers. When the speakers require the extra watts for those dynamic scenes with massive range and extreme peaks, then you need some headroom. If you do not have the required headroom, the amp will clip and the speakers will not perform to their max. The dedicated amp will have the headroom you need when you watch a movie at say -5dB.

Take Mad Max Fury Road for example. That movie has some incredible dynamic range in the audio tracks. At higher volume levels, you will need a powerful amp to reproduce those big peaks.

...but yes, at moderate levels (around -20 to -25dB), in a room that size, you will probably never use the power of the amp. Only when I get crazy on the music or bump the level up to -12dB do I even see the LED indicators on my XPA-2 jumping past three or four lights. That's barely any power. Definitely not 300W being used. All that in a 16 x 30 room with a large doorway on one side.

(amps don't really change the sound, they just enable more power for extra SPL)
He just made a key point: if your AVR drives them to the levels you like and they still sound good, that means your AVR is giving enough power without distortion. An amp is needed if when you turn it up to your listening level it sounds bad...that means the amp is out of power. Also, lower frequencies require more power, so bass heavy things are likely where you'd run out of headroom on your amp if it's going to happen.

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Nice setup! And good looking shelving. I need something like that. Where's it from? Thx.

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Thanks guys, I'm going to pull the trigger on those A9s then.
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Looking to add atmos ceiling speakers in a 7.1.2 setup in a 15'w x 25'd room. (May go 7.2.4). I am looking at the 80 f/x rt or the 70 rt. anyone have experience with either of there or recommend another model?
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Get the A5's and a Rythmik LV12... The Rythmik sub will handle movie bassmuch better then the A9's and do great with music. Not saying the A9 is bad, but you will be missing a entire octave of bass not getting a quality sub.

It would also cost less then A9's and a XPA-2.
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Looking to add atmos ceiling speakers in a 7.1.2 setup in a 15'w x 25'd room. (May go 7.2.4). I am looking at the 80 f/x rt or the 70 rt. anyone have experience with either of there or recommend another model?
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You can't go wrong with either one. I'm assuming your mains are also in the RT line for the sake of timbre-matching? If not, there are certainly plenty of other candidates to consider.

I have two sets of 80F/X-RT in my Atmos setup, with a third pair on hand should I ever get the chance to expand to 9.1.6.

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You can't go wrong with either one. I'm assuming your mains are also in the RT line for the sake of timbre-matching? If not, there are certainly plenty of other candidates to consider.

I have two sets of 80F/X-RT in my Atmos setup, with a third pair on hand should I ever get the chance to expand to 9.1.6.
Actually they are Energy.. 3 RC-LCR (front), cr100 for surround and cb-50 (I believe) for for rear. I just didn't see any offerings that had a wide dispersion from energy so was looking at other brands. Do you think these Polk's would go well with my Energy speakers? Or other brands?
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Nice setup! And good looking shelving. I need something like that. Where's it from? Thx.
thanks RobLee. Found that rack idea here on AVSforum. they call it flexy rack. i built it myself and you can find almost all of the materials at your local hardware shop. i mostly got mine at Lowes. no background in carpentry but i still did it. it's that easy.

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You can't go wrong with either one. I'm assuming your mains are also in the RT line for the sake of timbre-matching? If not, there are certainly plenty of other candidates to consider.

I have two sets of 80F/X-RT in my Atmos setup, with a third pair on hand should I ever get the chance to expand to 9.1.6.
When you installed them, did you put any backing/backer box/ sound absorbing material behind them?

I am trying to decide between the 80 f/x rt or the 700 ls for my atmos ceiling speakers. Any thoughts on which would be better?
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