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Just keep in mind that this 26 Hz figure is most likely given at -10dB point. What would be more useful is frequency at -3dB point, like most respectable speakers companies provide.
I was aware that the -3dB point is the usual standard for listing frequency response. I had assumed this was the spec that Polk was using.

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According to the below test, the S60 response is down to 44 Hz at -3dB point. So, for music, you might still benefit from a sub, depending on what type of music you listen to and how much bass you prefer.

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I have a basic Sony 10" subwoofer right now, am looking at a 12" Hsu as an upgrade.

If all things are (roughly) equal, why wouldn't you choose the speaker with the lower frequency response and more sensitivity?
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Sure, so let's look at those factors as well. If all things are (roughly) equal, why wouldn't you choose the speaker with the lower frequency response and more sensitivity?
Are we talking with or without a sub in the mix?

If with, then you'd just let the sub handle those low frequencies. If without, then it can come down to how well the speaker is able to handle playing those low frequencies along with all of the mid-bass, mids, etc... at the same time. A higher FR could mean that the speaker will play everything a bit cleaner.

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If all things are (roughly) equal, why wouldn't you choose the speaker with the lower frequency response and more sensitivity?
If all things are equal, then sure.

Based on my in-home comparison between Polk S35 center and Chane A2.4 center, all things are not equal though. Not even close.

Can't speak about S55 or S60 towers as I have not heard them.

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If all things are equal, then sure.

Based on my in-home comparison between Polk S35 center and Chane A2.4 center, all things are not equal though. Not even close.

Can't speak about S55 or S60 towers as I have not heard them.
I appreciate that you speak from personal experience and have actually heard the speakers you discuss.
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If you are using a sub, then most likely you are using a crossover that is going to keep much of the low frequencies from being used in your main speakers. So if it is only a matter of the lowest frequencies, it is a moot point (with a sub). However, maybe one set of speakers has more bass output in the low frequencies above the crossover point, which could make a difference.

Sensitivity certainly can be a factor, but whether or not it is a big deal would depend on other factors such as room size and how high of volumes you generally listen at. Large rooms and/or listening at higher volumes would definitely help make sensitivity a bigger factor, but as in many things, it depends....
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Curious to get peoples opinions.
I have a set of RTiA9's and a CSiA6 for the L/C/R - each powered by Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks (200w)
50% movies
30% video games
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Is it even worth it to "upgrade" the speakers at this point without breaking the bank?

I know room acoustics and treatments do more then anything else.

Just curious on what peoples opinions are on those speakers.
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Curious to get peoples opinions.
I have a set of RTiA9's and a CSiA6 for the L/C/R - each powered by Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks (200w)
50% movies
30% video games
20% music

Is it even worth it to "upgrade" the speakers at this point without breaking the bank?

I know room acoustics and treatments do more then anything else.

Just curious on what peoples opinions are on those speakers.


I would say yes if your music listening was a lot greater than it is. I think our RTi A7s in the living room and the theater do great with movies powered by our Denon receivers.

Out of curiosity, do you notice an appreciable improvement in sound quality running the Outlaw monoblocks versus an A/V receiver?


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I would say yes if your music listening was a lot greater than it is. I think our RTi A7s in the living room and the theater do great with movies powered by our Denon receivers.

Out of curiosity, do you notice an appreciable improvement in sound quality running the Outlaw monoblocks versus an A/V receiver?


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I have an Onkyo RZ-1100 which was doing a decent job powering my center stage to begin with. I mainly did seperates so I could free up more power for my other speakers. I'm running a 5.1.4, obviously I dont need a lot of power for the rears or my atmos, but it doesn't hurt lol
I did a few side by side comparisons with the receiver running the speakers and the separates; there wasn't a night and day difference but I did notice one. Also what it did do aside from freeing up more power for the rears for was give the front speakers more presence. The RTiA9s are power hungry if you want to run them with the subs, and I like bass. So I did notice a BIG difference with the low end power coming from them. I can use the L/R now without even using my subwoofer and still enjoy the sound. Plus I love listening to at high volumes, so at those loud bombastic moments you notice the speakers more with the added dedicated power.



So you dont NEED separates, but as with most A/V things, the want outweighs the need lol Im happy I got them. The deal Outlaw is running on 3 monoblocks is great for the price. I bought 2 then 1 months later. I wish they would have had it at the time lol

Hope that kinda answers your question
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Curious to get peoples opinions.
I have a set of RTiA9's and a CSiA6 for the L/C/R - each powered by Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks (200w)
50% movies
30% video games
20% music

Is it even worth it to "upgrade" the speakers at this point without breaking the bank?


I know room acoustics and treatments do more then anything else.

Just curious on what peoples opinions are on those speakers.

IMHO, the most straightforward answer to your above question is "no."

Without knowing what specifically you would contemplate upgrading to, I find it hard to imagine how you could improve on your current speaker setup without what most of us would consider a significant expenditure.

OTOH, are the rest of the speakers in your 5.1.4 setup keeping up with your front sound stage? If not, perhaps you could look there for improvements. We're always happy to help you spend your money.
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Curious to get peoples opinions.
I have a set of RTiA9's and a CSiA6 for the L/C/R - each powered by Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks (200w)
50% movies
30% video games
20% music

Is it even worth it to "upgrade" the speakers at this point without breaking the bank?

I know room acoustics and treatments do more then anything else.

Just curious on what peoples opinions are on those speakers.
I don't see why you would need to upgrade anything. I'm half-waiting for the RTiA9s to go on sale for $800 for the pair again, honestly (I've seen them go for that low several times this year).

Unless you want to get your hands on some cheap LSiM speakers or the new Legend series?
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I have an Onkyo RZ-1100 which was doing a decent job powering my center stage to begin with. I mainly did seperates so I could free up more power for my other speakers. I'm running a 5.1.4, obviously I dont need a lot of power for the rears or my atmos, but it doesn't hurt lol
I did a few side by side comparisons with the receiver running the speakers and the separates; there wasn't a night and day difference but I did notice one. Also what it did do aside from freeing up more power for the rears for was give the front speakers more presence. The RTiA9s are power hungry if you want to run them with the subs, and I like bass. So I did notice a BIG difference with the low end power coming from them. I can use the L/R now without even using my subwoofer and still enjoy the sound. Plus I love listening to at high volumes, so at those loud bombastic moments you notice the speakers more with the added dedicated power.



So you dont NEED separates, but as with most A/V things, the want outweighs the need lol Im happy I got them. The deal Outlaw is running on 3 monoblocks is great for the price. I bought 2 then 1 months later. I wish they would have had it at the time lol

Hope that kinda answers your question


Thanks for the detailed answer. It helps me understand.


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I'm still rocking my LSiM in my theater for both movies and music. They're the most well rounded speaker I have. Immensely enjoyable for everything. They play well with all sources, formats and recording quality. What more do you want out of a speaker?
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I'm still rocking my LSiM in my theater for both movies and music. They're the most well rounded speaker I have. Immensely enjoyable for everything. They play well with all sources, formats and recording quality. What more do you want out of a speaker?
How are you powering them? I have the 707 and 706C and I am just using the Yamaha 2080 (140 watt) receiver. Im thinking of getting an external amp if it adds to sound quality but not sure since the yamaha seems to provide good power.

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How are you powering them? I have the 707 and 706C and I am just using the Yamaha 2080 (140 watt) receiver. Im thinking of getting an external amp if it adds to sound quality but not sure since the yamaha seems to provide good power.
See my sig I am running them off of the Yamaha Aventage RX-A3070 and even though I now have the Rotel RMB-1585 in the chain, they sounded just fine without them. Remember once crossovers come into play the speakers don't need as much power since all <80hz duties are being sent to the subwoofers so that does relieve the amps of sending all that power to the speakers. Marantz makes an excellent 5 channel amp which can be found in the used market for $450-$600 if you really want a dedicated amplifier for these speakers.

I am running a crossover in my stereo set up as well and getting fantastic results running the 200W per channel (@ 8 ohm) for my power hungry 804 D2 speakers. They have never sounded so good and I don't think there is much to gain by spending more money or trying to get higher power amps. When I run the crossover there is a noticeable difference in the displacement of the bottom most bass driver in the speaker. With crossovers enabled they are actually moving less than the driver above them.

Without crossovers they are definitely working a lot more and moving a lot more.

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Thanks for your reply.Did you notice any difference in sound quality on the LSIM when you put the Rotel in the chain? So many people have said the Polk LSIM 707 are power hungry so I keep thinking I need an amp but as you said they sound damn good with just a receiver. Of course the name of the game is to push it for the best sound possible. I listen to music in pure direct since the 707 bass is so amazing but I watch movies in 5.1.2 using 80 crossover to sub. Might be hard to buy an amp in the coming months but I'm looking at either the outlaw 5000 or the Monoprice monolith 3 channel amp for my fronts. Stay safe

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C'mon people, it's Wake-up Wednesday...Start crankin' them Polks. Can't believe this thread was buried all the way back on page 9. Anyway, just for fun, and because I'm tired of hearing people write that the RTI's are not good for music, I took 4 months off from listening to them, so that I might get a fresh perspective. Well, yesterday was a great day because I played all types of music and was one happy camper with the results. I don't plan on replacing these guys anytime soon. Ok, so lets see what everyone else has been up to.
It's no secret, you love your towers...personally I wouldn't mind hanging out for a week or two at your place and jammin'....I know we like a lot of the same music, not to mention I might pick up a few pointers from your set up.

Me?? I hate my speakers....oh wait, they're not on, hang on a minute

I do love the sound of my speakers too. Future plans upon space expansion......go back to my RTiA9's for H.T. including four A9's across the front and using my 707's exclusively in a 2ch set up.

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OTOH, are the rest of the speakers in your 5.1.4 setup keeping up with your front sound stage? If not, perhaps you could look there for improvements. We're always happy to help you spend your money.

excuse me for being out of touch, but what does OTOH mean?

And SADLY because of how my set up is in my living room I'm limited with my rears and Atmos, both of which are in ceiling. For the Atmos I don't mind, because thats kind of what you need. For my rears though I hate that I had to put them in ceiling. I have a open concept living room / dining room / kitchen, so to have the rears ear height wouldn't have worked unless I literally had them on stands behind the couches. At that point the wife would have put an axe to that idea. The rears work well enough, but I do miss having my FXiA6's hooked up.
I may end up turning one of my rooms back into a dedicated home theater room, but I haven't decided yet. If I do, I will definitely bring back the FXiA6's, and I'll probably end up getting a set of the SVS Prime Elevation speakers for the Atmos. I've demo'd those and they are pretty great for the price
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excuse me for being out of touch, but what does OTOH mean?
On the other hand, I think.
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Is that "Bumpy"???



It's no secret, you love your towers...personally I wouldn't mind hanging out for a week or two at your place and jammin'....I know we like a lot of the same music, not to mention I might pick up a few pointers from your set up.

Me?? I hate my speakers....oh wait, they're not on, hang on a minute

I do love the sound of my speakers too. Future plans upon space expansion......go back to my RTiA9's for H.T. including four A9's across the front and using my 707's exclusively in a 2ch set up.
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Thanks for your reply.Did you notice any difference in sound quality on the LSIM when you put the Rotel in the chain? So many people have said the Polk LSIM 707 are power hungry so I keep thinking I need an amp but as you said they sound damn good with just a receiver. Of course the name of the game is to push it for the best sound possible. I listen to music in pure direct since the 707 bass is so amazing but I watch movies in 5.1.2 using 80 crossover to sub. Might be hard to buy an amp in the coming months but I'm looking at either the outlaw 5000 or the Monoprice monolith 3 channel amp for my fronts. Stay safe
A little more heft, but mostly for music. And although the Yamaha was no slouch I feel the speakers run a little more effortlessly and bring in a bit more oomph in the sound.
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I just brought home a 5.0 set of S55, S30, S10 speakers over the weekend. My first set of Polk home speakers. Would this be the place to ask for questions and guidance for these or should it be strictly the signature series thread?


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I have been looking at the TSi series of speakers to keep within my budget. Can anyone provide a list of pros and cons of the TSi series?
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I just brought home a 5.0 set of S55, S30, S10 speakers over the weekend. My first set of Polk home speakers. Would this be the place to ask for questions and guidance for these or should it be strictly the signature series thread?


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I've got a set of Monitor 10B's. They still sound really good!

I saw this last night surfing YouTube and I was yelling at my TV. Then I felt like crying.

What kind of a sicko does something like this?

Not only that, but after promising to show us the insides of the Polk Monitor 10's the guy failed to do so.

"I hope the video is helpful."

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I have been looking at the TSi series of speakers to keep within my budget. Can anyone provide a list of pros and cons of the TSi series?
The TSi series are right on par with the Monitor series, only finished off nicer IMO, with the gloss tops on the cabinets.

Pro: easy to drive

Con: need excessive amounts of power to sound their best

Pro: inexpensive speaker

Con: should have an AVR with pre-outs and an external amplifier (this really shouldn't be a con if you want the most out of a set up IMO)

I've not owned the TSi series but I did own the Monitor series with the M70's, 40's and 30's and CSII center channel.

My M70's were okay sounding on their own and with an Emotiva 200wpc amp, then demoed them for sale with an Emo 300wpc amp and they came alive like I'd never heard them, well, I never did hear them sound so good.

Wanted to keep them, but got my asking price anyway (they sounded phenomenal on that extra power). I had priced them for haggling room but they sounded so good, the buyer was all to happy to pay the full asking price. Of course I forewarned him that my room acoustics and driving power had everything to do with the sound from the demo. He was aware and became the next happy owner.

I hope this information is helpful.
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