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I think I figured this out. FedEx Home delivery is Tuesday through Saturday, but regular FedEx is Monday through Friday. My order/package is via regular FedEx, therefore I'm not getting it delivered today and it should come Monday. So the page is reflecting the correct scheduled delivery date after all, and my missed scheduled delivery on Friday was only pushed back one day as it (logically) should have.
So I checked the tracking details this morning and it seems the weather had NOTHING to do with my shipment not arriving when scheduled. My speakers arrived in Atlanta in plenty of time to get to me last Thursday, but somehow wound up back in Columbus, Ohio, with NO departure scan from Atlanta and NO arrival scan in Columbus. I had this happen with the USPS when a package kept bouncing back and forth between cities, but this is a first with UPS. I've asked for some kind of explanation, but don't really expect to get one.
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So I checked the tracking details this morning and it seems the weather had NOTHING to do with my shipment not arriving when scheduled. My speakers arrived in Atlanta in plenty of time to get to me last Thursday, but somehow wound up back in Columbus, Ohio, with NO departure scan from Atlanta and NO arrival scan in Columbus. I had this happen with the USPS when a package kept bouncing back and forth between cities, but this is a first with UPS. I've asked for some kind of explanation, but don't really expect to get one.

Well, you're not going to believe this. Mine was actually delivered yesterday, but I didn't know it! They put it on my other porch that I never use as an entry way and don't see unless I go out, which I didn't do yesterday after it was delivered. They usually leave it on my other porch, which I did check just in case. So it sat outside all night. Unbelievable. Obviously I didn't check the page after I thought I determined it wasn't coming yesterday or I would have seen it was delivered and would have realized it was left on the other porch.
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At any rate, I'm relieved to have this whole delivery process over with. Sheesh. I now have the Reva center setup and it sounds great right out the box and I haven't even upgraded the jumpers yet (they're on the way to me). Dialog is crisp and clear and the tone and overall sound perfectly blends with the two Reva-2s, though the center has a bit higher sensitivity so maybe I'll need to reduce its level a little to match the level of other speakers. The plinth angles it upwards somewhat (about a 20-30 degree angle), which is ideal for me since mine is below ear height. The angle of upward projection is somewhat adjustable on how you have it sit on the plinth, but the speaker doesn't actually attach to the plinth -- it just sits on it. There is a somewhat soft, grippy surface for it to sit on.
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Well my Revas are showing "out for delivery" this morning. But as late as 6 AM they still did not have a destination scan. I contact UPS which says they're tracking shows still in transit to final destination, whatever TF that means. I checked back and at 7:30 AM there was a "destination scan". I'm figuring I missed the delivery window for the day because trucks usually get loaded to be on the road by 7 AM. Then at a little after 8 I get an email and go to the tracking site and it shows "out for delivery" today. Hopefully they didn't get all beat to hell on their long voyage.
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Well my Revas are showing "out for delivery" this morning. But as late as 6 AM they still did not have a destination scan. I contact UPS which says they're tracking shows still in transit to final destination, whatever TF that means. I checked back and at 7:30 AM there was a "destination scan". I'm figuring I missed the delivery window for the day because trucks usually get loaded to be on the road by 7 AM. Then at a little after 8 I get an email and go to the tracking site and it shows "out for delivery" today. Hopefully they didn't get all beat to hell on their long voyage.
UPS is guaranteed to trip your brain. My speakers were, indeed, on the truck and "out for delivery" yesterday. The UPS site showed a delivery window between 12:15 and 6:30. I always assume the later time as it seems my neighborhood must be close to the end of the route for these guys. Anyway, about 3:20 PM or so I get an email from UPS changing the delivery time. "Uh, oh, here we go" I thought, "it's going to be for tomorrow sometime". Nope, changed the window to 4:30 that same day. Not saying I had my doubts, but had my doubts. And it turns out I was correct. 4:30 came and went. No delivery. 5:30, no delivery. Ate supper. Had a couple bourbons. Played some Madden 18. 6:30, 7:30, no delivery and I'm no longer expecting to actually get one. 8:00 comes, I'm settled down watching the end of a first seasons episode of The Expanse, and knock on my door - yep, there they are. Finally. But almost too late for me to care (I'm up every weekday morning around 4:30 AM so 8 is getting close to my bedtime).

However, I do unpack them. The box was surprisingly UN-beaten up, speakers were well protected. Pulled them out with the white gloves on, swapped the decidedly aluminum looking jumpers with 14 gauge speaker wire, and set them on stands (too tall) next to my BMRs. Then I swapped the speaker cables from my BMRs to the Reva-2s and fired up some digital (lossless flac) of the Who, "Who's Next". Wow, was my first impression. For the cost I paid for these, they sounded REALLY good. Again, a tad "thinner" than the BMRs, and the high end not as "refined" - just a bit of edge to it in comparison, and weren't going as low without the subs engaged - but still, surprisingly good.

These are definitely well designed and beautifully crafted speakers. As I sat listening to them playing the Who, then a little Atomic Rooster, I almost felt guilty that they would be "lowly" surrounds. But I'm sure my guilt will pass once I have them installed in the proper place, set up properly, with some multi-channel music playing through the system. I'm going to leave them where they are for awhile to get a better sense of them as a stereo pair, but I already know I'm going to love these. I think at the original MSRP they're worth it, and at the discounted price you can get them for, they're, IMO, a no brainner. For what I paid, they were a steal. I'm very pleased.
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UPS is guaranteed to trip your brain. My speakers were, indeed, on the truck and "out for delivery" yesterday. The UPS site showed a delivery window between 12:15 and 6:30. I always assume the later time as it seems my neighborhood must be close to the end of the route for these guys. Anyway, about 3:20 PM or so I get an email from UPS changing the delivery time. "Uh, oh, here we go" I thought, "it's going to be for tomorrow sometime". Nope, changed the window to 4:30 that same day. Not saying I had my doubts, but had my doubts. And it turns out I was correct. 4:30 came and went. No delivery. 5:30, no delivery. Ate supper. Had a couple bourbons. Played some Madden 18. 6:30, 7:30, no delivery and I'm no longer expecting to actually get one. 8:00 comes, I'm settled down watching the end of a first seasons episode of The Expanse, and knock on my door - yep, there they are. Finally. But almost too late for me to care (I'm up every weekday morning around 4:30 AM so 8 is getting close to my bedtime).

However, I do unpack them. The box was surprisingly UN-beaten up, speakers were well protected. Pulled them out with the white gloves on, swapped the decidedly aluminum looking jumpers with 14 gauge speaker wire, and set them on stands (too tall) next to my BMRs. Then I swapped the speaker cables from my BMRs to the Reva-2s and fired up some digital (lossless flac) of the Who, "Who's Next". Wow, was my first impression. For the cost I paid for these, they sounded REALLY good. Again, a tad "thinner" than the BMRs, and the high end not as "refined" - just a bit of edge to it in comparison, and weren't going as low without the subs engaged - but still, surprisingly good.

These are definitely well designed and beautifully crafted speakers. As I sat listening to them playing the Who, then a little Atomic Rooster, I almost felt guilty that they would be "lowly" surrounds. But I'm sure my guilt will pass once I have them installed in the proper place, set up properly, with some multi-channel music playing through the system. I'm going to leave them where they are for awhile to get a better sense of them as a stereo pair, but I already know I'm going to love these. I think at the original MSRP they're worth it, and at the discounted price you can get them for, they're, IMO, a no brainner. For what I paid, they were a steal. I'm very pleased.
well that pretty much echo's RWetmore's review.. sounds like the next time i get the chance to get them at a good price (thru amazon) i should give them a whirl.. thanks for the 1st thoughts ...
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@BluesDaddy56 thanks so much for the info. I am certainly thinking about the Reva 2's myself. If you don't mind, can you post some pics? We all love to look at speaker porn. BTW, where are you located? I reside in Western KY myself. Just curious.


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@BluesDaddy56 thanks so much for the info. I am certainly thinking about the Reva 2's myself. If you don't mind, can you post some pics? We all love to look at speaker porn. BTW, where are you located? I reside in Western KY myself. Just curious.


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I was too tired last night to take pics except of the box when I first go it open. Like to document whether or not there's damage with a shipment. I'll take some this evening when I get home from work. They're on 31" stands right now which puts them well above my BMRs and too high, but they're all I have for the moment. I got a new couch a few weeks ago and I think my ears are now right at 39" or so, so I need a 28" stand for the Reva-2s as the tweeter is 11" from the bottom on center. (I'm a bit anal about that). I can't find a set that I that I like for a price I want to pay yet. I might settle for a 26" stand. I do tend to "settle in" to the couch when I listen. Such is the life of an audio cheapskate.
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Awesome sauce @BluesDaddy56 ! Looking forward to some pics. It will be most appreciated. No hurry really. When you mentioned that your package was in Nashville, TN I thought that you might be close to my area albeit Western KY. Every time I have a package it always runs through Nashville. Only reason I was inquiring.


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I finally got my jumpers for the Reva center speaker, so now I'm all set. I anticipate keeping this set for quite a long time. Like at least 5 years and probably more like 10+ years. Its smooth, balanced and easy to listen to sound is ideally suited to my tastes. For music especially, but for movies too it's great (dialog is very clear and natural). It's a shame the Reva series is not getting more attention, especially since I think it's Wharfedale's flagship series and a tremendous amount effort went into its design.


But be warned, the highs are significantly less emphasized in the voicing than the vast majority of speakers out there. Even the Diamond 200 series is brighter (and the Diamond 10 series is reported to be a little brighter than the 200 series). And keep in mind I'm someone who finds the vast majority of speakers way too bright.


It's too bad there is almost no where these can be demoed, and along side other brands of similar build and price class. I suspect a lot of people would like these and buy them if they could hear them, but so few ever do (or even see reviews in the hi-fi publications) and sales have probably fallen short of expectations as a result.


The only negative I can report is I wish they were not bi-wireable, as this has significantly increased the cost for me due to having to replace all of the stock jumpers (I'm someone who generally does not believe bi-wiring does anything to improve the sound). Also, the center speaker is quite limited in the way it only angles up, and there is no way to sit it flat since the base is curved (it pretty much has to be on the plinth, which is angled upward). So it wouldn't work at ear level or above ear level. It's also rear ported instead of bottom ported (like the center of the Diamond 200 series), which is not ideal. I'm not able to get optimal distance from the back wall as a result, but it still sounds great. Also, to be fair, if it were bottom ported, it wouldn't be able to angle upward, which happens to work great for me.
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Sad to say also that I would not have bought these had that Canadian dealer not been offering these for such a large discount. It was the curiosity along with the large discount that hooked me in. However, had I paid full price ($1K) I would not have been disappointed at all and would have kept them. And for $700 now with the (permanent?) price cut, they're definitely worth it, if not a bargain at that price, IMO.
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@RWetmore : are you running these with a sub? If not, how do you like it? If i pick these up I won't be able to use a sub because of where I live. Curious on your thoughts on a sub with the Reva 2's. I am currently running my Diamond 225's without a sub and am perfectly happy with this setup.
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@RWetmore: are you running these with a sub? If not, how do you like it? If i pick these up I won't be able to use a sub because of where I live. Curious on your thoughts on a sub with the Reva 2's. I am currently running my Diamond 225's without a sub and am perfectly happy with this setup.

No sub in my Reva set-up. I never use a sub for music listening anyway, regardless of the speakers. In my other set-up of the Diamond 200 series I have a sub that's used for movies/TV, but I never use it for music listening.


I'm a total purist. No sub, no EQ or signal processing. Analog direct mode only, and the crossovers in the speakers do all of the work (even for the center speakers).


However, I would expect the 225s to go a little deeper than the Reva-2s (due to the specs and larger drivers), so if the 225s are just barely giving you a satisfactory enough bass then the Reva-2s would probably come up short on bass for you and you would want or need a sub.
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Cool. I am still on the fence about buying these.... but the price is now so good!!!
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@RWetmore: are you running these with a sub? If not, how do you like it? If i pick these up I won't be able to use a sub because of where I live. Curious on your thoughts on a sub with the Reva 2's. I am currently running my Diamond 225's without a sub and am perfectly happy with this setup.

But my advice though is unless there is something about the 225s you don't like, irks you, or causes you to not be able to just enjoy your music (because you're focused on what you think is a flaw or imperfection), I would just keep the 225s. It's fine speaker. That is, unless you have money to burn or want to upgrade to a the next level of quality and price class. At a minimum, I would suggest not buying the Reva-2s without the ability to return them if you don't like them or end up preferring the 225s (or don't think the improvement is worth the cost). Crutchfield has by far the most generous return policy for bookshelf speakers ($10 to return ship with a prepaid label they provide -- that's it, amazingly).
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But my advice though is unless there is something about the 225s you don't like, irks you, or causes you to not be able to just enjoy your music (because you're focused on what you think is a flaw or imperfection), I would just keep the 225s. It's fine speaker. That is, unless you have money to burn or want to upgrade to a the next level of quality and price class. At a minimum, I would suggest not buying the Reva-2s without the ability to return them if you don't like them or end up preferring the 225s (or don't think the improvement is worth the cost). Crutchfield has by far the most generous return policy for bookshelf speakers ($10 to return ship with a prepaid label they provide -- that's it, amazingly).
Point taken. And my inner voice says you are right. Thanks for the advice... once again. I won't make you repeat it again.
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Keep in mind too that I have not heard the 225s, so it's hard for me to know what the precise differences are. I do have several of the 200 series, and can say for sure that the Reva woofers are clearly better quality in that they are 'faster', springier and more nimble. The difference is not huge mind you, but it is quite easily noticeable to me. The Reva-2s have just under a 5" woofer and the drivers go much deeper than do most drivers of that size, clearly indicating their very high quality. The 200 series woofers are 'slower' and not as nimble and punchy and springy (for lack of better way to describe), but they are by no means bad at all. What you would be giving up in low end extension with the Reva-2s would be better bass 'quality' in the range it delivers. But again, the differences are not huge here, so don't think the bass is going to totally wipe the floor over the 225s, because it won't.
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Point taken. And my inner voice says you are right. Thanks for the advice... once again. I won't make you repeat it again.

It's perfectly OK. Believe me, I totally understand the temptation. I really do (far too well).
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It's perfectly OK. Believe me, I totally understand the temptation. I really do (far too well).
I think it's called "upgrade-itis" and it is real. Enjoy your speakers!!!!
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I was too tired last night to take pics except of the box when I first go it open. Like to document whether or not there's damage with a shipment. I'll take some this evening when I get home from work. They're on 31" stands right now which puts them well above my BMRs and too high, but they're all I have for the moment. I got a new couch a few weeks ago and I think my ears are now right at 39" or so, so I need a 28" stand for the Reva-2s as the tweeter is 11" from the bottom on center. (I'm a bit anal about that). I can't find a set that I that I like for a price I want to pay yet. I might settle for a 26" stand. I do tend to "settle in" to the couch when I listen. Such is the life of an audio cheapskate.
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But my advice though is unless there is something about the 225s you don't like, irks you, or causes you to not be able to just enjoy your music (because you're focused on what you think is a flaw or imperfection), I would just keep the 225s. It's fine speaker. That is, unless you have money to burn or want to upgrade to a the next level of quality and price class. At a minimum, I would suggest not buying the Reva-2s without the ability to return them if you don't like them or end up preferring the 225s (or don't think the improvement is worth the cost). Crutchfield has by far the most generous return policy for bookshelf speakers ($10 to return ship with a prepaid label they provide -- that's it, amazingly).

Not to mention Crutchfield has a full 60-day return policy. That would give anyone time to decide if said speakers will work for them or not. It is easily worth the $10 return just to be sure inmho. Like you, I find a lot of speakers way too bright/forward leaving me very ear fatigued. Trying to get far and away from that myself. It sounds like the Reva 2's may just do the trick.


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Wow! The Reva 2's looks so nice. I like them w/o the grilles myself. Not sure how that affects the sound. Thanks for taking the time to do this! Awesome sauce!


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I think it's called "upgrade-itis" and it is real. Enjoy your speakers!!!!
That upgrade-itis is very real. In fact, it gets me in too much trouble. BTW, I reside very close to Evansville, Indiana. Are you close? Just curious. Thanks!


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That upgrade-itis is very real. In fact, it gets me in too much trouble. BTW, I reside very close to Evansville, Indiana. Are you close? Just curious. Thanks!


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Hi Phil! No, I live on the northside of Indianapolis. I had to look at a map to see where Evansville is (I need GPS to make it to bed at night) and it appears to be very far away. But thanks for asking!
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Hi Phil! No, I live on the northside of Indianapolis. I had to look at a map to see where Evansville is (I need GPS to make it to bed at night) and it appears to be very far away. But thanks for asking!
Yeah, Indy is a bit of a drive from me. But have been there several times. Lucas Oil Stadium is rather popular! How do you like the 225's? What are you powering them with? Just curious is all. Thanks!


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I have a Marantz PM-14S1 powering my speakers. I like them a lot. I am not very articulate when it comes to sound properties and am not really any kind of expert so I will refrain from trying to describe the way they sound. But I am very happy with them. They are a nice set of speakers and such high quality, too. Even though they were built in China, these are well put together. I am listening to them right now. My only regret is not having tried Wharfedale sooner.
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I have a Marantz PM-14S1 powering my speakers. I like them a lot. I am not very articulate when it comes to sound properties and am not really any kind of expert so I will refrain from trying to describe the way they sound. But I am very happy with them. They are a nice set of speakers and such high quality, too. Even though they were built in China, these are well put together. I am listening to them right now. My only regret is not having tried Wharfedale sooner.
I have owned both the Diamond 220's and the Denton 80th Anniversary speakers. Looking back, I am almost 100% certain that the Dentons that I owned were defective. In the end, I decided to keep the 220's as I liked the low end on them. For some reason, the Dentons did NOT have as much low end extension. However, what the Dentons did have was noticeably more articulate. Both had a buttery smooth top end and vocals never sounded better. I found the 220's to be more on the warmer side of neutral whereas the Dentons were warmer/richer in the mids. Neither gave me any ear fatigue. But, the Dentons were a bit fussier w/placement. Soon, I will have the 225's myself. Thanks for the info!


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your pics are really getting me fired up to order a pair ,, i thought the 10.1's looked nice , these are in another league..
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your pics are really getting me fired up to order a pair ,, i thought the 10.1's looked nice , these are in another league..
Yep, I agree. It might not should have mattered to me, but since as side surrounds, they'll stand out in the room, I wanted something that looked as good as the BMRs. These really do look like miniature versions of the BMR - same curved cabinet and piano black finish. They really are a nicely built speaker. Knuckle test reveals them to be largely resonance free. Still listening to them as a stereo pair. Had CSN&Y Deja Vu playing (again) and it was just sweet. Now listening to "Mad Dogs & Englishmen" These draw you into the music.
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