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Which will sound an awful lot like the speakers you listen to them with

Actually, if you check out this guy's YouTube channel, he has a lot of high quality comparison recordings of different speakers in the same price class, such as Dali vs B&W. His recordings are quite good, and you can easily tell the different sound between the two models, even listening on a laptop or through an audio system. Check them out.

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Which will sound an awful lot like the speakers you listen to them with

Actually, if you check out this guy's YouTube channel, he has a lot of high quality comparison recordings of different speakers in the same price class, such as Dali vs B&W. His recordings are quite good, and you can easily tell the different sound between the two models, even listening on a laptop or through an audio system. Check them out.
Maybe you can hear they sound different, but they will never sound better than whatever you're listening to them with.
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Which will sound an awful lot like the speakers you listen to them with
yep, you better have dead flat fr. response on your home speakers to even get a clue what speakers sound like on a youtube vid , even then i wouldn't get too exited about the results based on what you hear..
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Well, folks, there are precious few brick and mortar shops in the US where you could listen to Wharfedale speakers, so unless you bite the bullet and buy a set, your only option for listening is via online videos. I wonder if you guys have even listened to any of such comparison videos, in which they do simply swap out different speakers in the same room and placement of the speakers, and level match the volume. I have, and I can clearly hear enough difference between different speakers in some of these comparison videos to get a sense of the "house sound" of them. I'm not saying it is a substitute for a live audition, but I can clearly tell how they handle mids and highs in comparison to each other, no so much on bass.
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Well, folks, there are precious few brick and mortar shops in the US where you could listen to Wharfedale speakers, so unless you bite the bullet and buy a set, your only option for listening is via online videos. I wonder if you guys have even listened to any of such comparison videos, in which they do simply swap out different speakers in the same room and placement of the speakers, and level match the volume. I have, and I can clearly hear enough difference between different speakers in some of these comparison videos to get a sense of the "house sound" of them. I'm not saying it is a substitute for a live audition, but I can clearly tell how they handle mids and highs in comparison to each other, no so much on bass.
i get it .. and you are right in the point that it's the only game in town...

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Anyone tested the Evo 4.2 yet? I can find only the whathifi review of the 4.4 and the basic S&V article. I'm very interested in the 4.2. What is the crossover for the 6" woofer to 2" midrange? And isn't it tricky to have a crossover (from 6" to 2") right in the middle of the midrange freqs that are critical for music?
1.4kHz, and 3.9kHz. You might be dealing with cheap crossover parts in a three way at that price point.

Bass extension isn't super in any of the EVO models including the top one, but sometimes they do that to improve control, and avoid the "one-note" bass that can happen with a ported enclosure. Focal's 906 don't go down low either. It's like marketing people at some companies, are obsessed with being able to put a certain number on a page, without getting into how clean it is.

I would use a sub with anything of that size (or even ones much bigger), especially since mine is sealed and not having room placement issues for that reason. It's an engineered solution.

Ported is the dominant design over sealed or transmission line, to be able to be able to get low bass extension at a reasonable price in a compact enclosure with good sensitivity. I don't necessarily care about any of those things in a speaker with my current set up.
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EVO 4.C is in the house! question on port plugs

Hi all, I just received my new EVO 4.C center channel speaker. As to the port plugs, the speaker comes with two foam port plugs installed. There is nothing in the owner's manual about the plugs. Any of you with experience with the EVO speakers, would you leave in the plugs or not? And what would you be looking for in terms of making that decision? I assume the purpose of the plugs is to limit bass response. Is that correct?

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Hi all, I just received my new EVO 4.C center channel speaker. As to the port plugs, the speaker comes with two foam port plugs installed. There is nothing in the owner's manual about the plugs. Any of you with experience with the EVO speakers, would you leave in the plugs or not? And what would you be looking for in terms of making that decision? I assume the purpose of the plugs is to limit bass response. Is that correct?
If your speaker has less than say, 8" of rear clearance then use the plugs. If not, I'd take them out. You'll get more mid-bass extension and probably higher dynamics in general with the ports open.
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If your speaker has less than say, 8" of rear clearance then use the plugs. If not, I'd take them out. You'll get more mid-bass extension and probably higher dynamics in general with the ports open.

Thanks, I have around two feet behind it to the wall, so I'll try it without the plugs. Now, I did build a riser for the TV, so the speaker is enclosed on the top and sides. I'm not sure how that might affect the decision to use the plugs or not. The speaker shown is the Polk speaker, not the Wharfedale.




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Thanks, I have around two feet behind it to the wall, so I'll try it without the plugs.
Oh definitely, 2 ft is ample! With or without the enclosure.

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I posted this under the “bass” audio thread but posting here as well for the wharfedale enthusiasts. I have diamond 250 speakers with a yamaha a-s501 amp. I want to add a wireless sub. what are folks thoughts on the klipsch r 112ws? Other sub recs?
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I posted this under the “bass” audio thread but posting here as well for the wharfedale enthusiasts. I have diamond 250 speakers with a yamaha a-s501 amp. I want to add a wireless sub. what are folks thoughts on the klipsch r 112ws? Other sub recs?
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Both the Elysian and Evo series looks quite nice with nice specs to me. Would love to see measurements.

Also, where are the ports on these? They're listed as bass reflex.
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Also, where are the ports on these? They're listed as bass reflex.

The ports are on the bottom, between the bottom of the cabinets and the plinths.


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Just saw this posted on audiokarma...

"I wanted to share a bit about the 4.1 and 4.2, both are these speakers are substantial upgrades over the Diamond 11.1 and d330. What's even more ear opening is the big jump from the 4.1 to the 4.2, but first let me touch on the 4.1 a exceptional speaker for $699 in it's own right, clearly the star of the show is the AMT tweeter but for a different reason than you may think, it's more about how smooth and nonchalant it is in action, as smooth the 11.1 and d330 soft dome is the big AMT is even smooth it's truly a discreet extended customer.

The extension is really unforced and resolving stuff like triangles and tambourines have a great tonality and realsim. Detail, resolution, and timbre are a big leap up from the 11.1 and 330. Bass resolution is also a big step up, low level detail is unravled right before your eyes. The 4.1 is definitely worth buying, strangely it doesn't have as much extension on the bottom end than the 11.1 but it has more weight and more definition everywhere in the bass, I find the extension off, and that's the prime reason I upgraded to the 4.2.

The 4.2 was a even bigger jump than I thought it went much lower than the 4.1 but not as low as the d330 and not really lower than the 11.1, but it played with far more weight in the midbass than all of the speakers, and more slam but still I expected more extension and slam, and that might be attributed to the Onkyo a9150's 30 watts into 8 ohms but it doubles up into 60 watts into 4 ohms so I don't know for sure, all I know is I put on the Monifah Mahogany album and it has a track that has low bass you can feel the d330 hit the note with authority but the 4.2 sounded a lil anemic.

With the 4.2 I thought I would have the low bass of a small tower like the d330 but that just wasn't the case, but it still had superior midbass weight and by far the most bass definition, low level detail, nuance in the bass. The mid-range is flat out to die for it is trully BBC monitor like in it's tone and nuance it is the best I've ever heard under the $1k mark, and treble is even more intergrated than the 4.1 where the mid-range dome and the AMT really sound as one.

The Soundstage is panoramic on both the 4.1 and 4.2 but much richer on the 4.2 with even bigger images. The 4.1 has pinpoint imaging while the 4.2 has bigger more breathing images somewhat Maggie like but with more specificy. My biggest problem Evo models is they didn't come to life until the volume level was up, which points to power they want it and they are 4 ohm loads most of all the current Wharfedales are which is a shame, the d330 seemed the easiest to drive of all the models, I think power is the key I would say a honest 100 watts could unlock the other hidden talents these are 2 very beautiful sounding speakers..highly recommend!"
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According to Crutchfield both Evo models are 8 ohms.
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The Soundstage is panoramic on both the 4.1 and 4.2 but much richer on the 4.2 with even bigger images. The 4.1 has pinpoint imaging while the 4.2 has bigger more breathing images somewhat Maggie like but with more specificy. My biggest problem Evo models is they didn't come to life until the volume level was up, which points to power they want it and they are 4 ohm loads most of all the current Wharfedales are which is a shame, the d330 seemed the easiest to drive of all the models, I think power is the key I would say a honest 100 watts could unlock the other hidden talents these are 2 very beautiful sounding speakers..highly recommend!"
Did this review or anyone else say how big the 4.2 looks in a medium size or small room? I want to get the 4.2 but feel it'll be or look too large.
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According to Crutchfield both Evo models are 8 ohms.
I've read that manufacturers fudge the specs a little and speakers may actually be less than 8 ohms for a majority of the spectrum
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Did this review or anyone else say how big the 4.2 looks in a medium size or small room? I want to get the 4.2 but feel it'll be or look too large.
Sorry, no. That's his full post. I did find one more review on Crutchfield for the 4.2. Not much info out there yet.

"Absolutely fantastic! Wonderful highs, very clean midrange, and good bass. With proper placement and some break-in time, these are very revealing speakers. I did choose to add a subwoofer with them to fill out the low end but that might be a placement issue given my limited space. I will add that while these are called "Bookshelf" speakers, they are 18" tall and 13 1/2" deep. They really need space to sound their best. Wharfedale suggests keeping them pretty close to a rear wall to help with bass too. If you're looking for high end sound at a great price point, I highly recommend these speakers! Give them some good power and enjoy!

Pros: Great highs and mids. Tight bass. Rock solid build quality. AMT tweeters are very, very good.

Cons: A good subwoofer might be needed if you like deep, low bass. Not really a con but you might need to try a few different placements"
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My biggest problem Evo models is they didn't come to life until the volume level was up, which points to power they want it"
Hmm, kind of disappointed to read this. Sounding great at low volumes is one of the things I loved most about my old Emotiva B1s, which have an AMT half the size of the Evos' and a couple other imperfections.
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Hmm, kind of disappointed to read this. Sounding great at low volumes is one of the things I loved most about my old Emotiva B1s, which have an AMT half the size of the Evos' and a couple other imperfections.
Totally! While you may have only loved that feature, sounding good at low vol is critical for me with my family around. It's the whole reason I'm on AVS in the first place. My Polks sound fine at high vol but suck at low vol. If I could play only high vol, I would not have ever come to AVS to find new speakers
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Couple of thoughts...He says he's only got 30 watts of power on hand. It's probably a safe bet that most people would throw double that at them, maybe giving a better result.

Second, I've read more than once that the speaker company Amphion always mentions that their speakers sound wonderful at low volumes, even going so far as to be the only participants at audio shows who demonstrate at very low levels to astounded listeners. If that's a priority you may want to audition one of their models.

Ascend Acoustics also has many owners who state that their models, especially the ones with the RAAL tweeters, sound great at low volumes.

I think it's too early to judge the Evo's by just a couple of reviews. Why not buy a pair from Crutchfield, try them out and report back here?
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Couple of thoughts...He says he's only got 30 watts of power on hand. It's probably a safe bet that most people would throw double that at them, maybe giving a better result.

Second, I've read more than once that the speaker company Amphion always mentions that their speakers sound wonderful at low volumes, even going so far as to be the only participants at audio shows who demonstrate at very low levels to astounded listeners. If that's a priority you may want to audition one of their models.

Ascend Acoustics also has many owners who state that their models, especially the ones with the RAAL tweeters, sound great at low volumes.

I think it's too early to judge the Evo's by just a couple of reviews. Why not buy a pair from Crutchfield, try them out and report back here?
Thanks and what a great coincidence you said that! Ascend Acoustics especially the ones with the RAAL tweeters are no. 1 on my list to audition. No. 2 is Revel Concerta2, and No. 3 is Evo 4.2. So glad you made the good at low volume comment. I'll research Amphion too.
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Thanks and what a great coincidence you said that! Ascend Acoustics especially the ones with the RAAL tweeters are no. 1 on my list to audition. No. 2 is Revel Concerta2, and No. 3 is Evo 4.2. So glad you made the good at low volume comment. I'll research Amphion too.
I'd audition all 3 simultaneously, esp. since you get the Crutchfield $10 flat rate return shipping on the Evo...not sure if they carry that model Revel.
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The results are different to my own. When I auditioned the Evo 4.1 and 4.2, I felt the smaller speaker had better midrange clarity, although it didn't have the bass and scale of the 4.2. Why? One reason could be that the dome crosses over to the woofer at 1.7 kHz which is right where the ear is most sensitive. I ended up buying the 4.1. I concur with the poster's impressions about the Evo's soundstage and bass weight.

As always, it's important to hear the speakers yourself before you buy.
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