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Just go with the PC2000, while IMO the CLR2002 sounds a little better, not enough to warrant what you would have to go through to make it fit.

I agree! For what you would have to do and for price go with the PC2000.
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So do you guy suggest with the CLR 2500 setup as small and just use pair of speaker wires? What you setting your crossover at?
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So do you guy suggest with the CLR 2500 setup as small and just use pair of speaker wires? What you setting your crossover at?
The 2500 is really pretty stout, I'd start with Large and see what you think, but you should at least be able to use the same setting as your Fronts. This is one thing that is great about the powered Centers, you can usually get by with Large to get full vocals and tweak the woofer volume to compensate if you need to clean up the bass a little.

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The 2500 is really pretty stout, I'd start with Large and see what you think, but you should at least be able to use the same setting as your Fronts. This is one thing that is great about the powered Centers, you can usually get by with Large to get full vocals and tweak the woofer volume to compensate if you need to clean up the bass a little.
Ok this brings up a question for me then. I am using Denon AVR-X6200W AVR. I have BP7002 for Front mains. I have them right now set to small and crossover at 40. Should I be using LARGE for them also and use LFE+MAIN setting?
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Ok this brings up a question for me then. I am using Denon AVR-X6200W AVR. I have BP7002 for Front mains. I have them right now set to small and crossover at 40. Should I be using LARGE for them also and use LFE+MAIN setting?
Right now have all set as small. I do have LFE+Main on but guessing doesn't do anything since all small?

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FRONT MAINS: DT BP2002 @ 40hz
CENTER: DT CLR 2500 @ 80hz it's coming tomorrow.
SURROUNDS: DT BPX @ 80hz
REARS: DT BP2X @ 80hz
FRONT HEIGHTS and TOP MIDDLE: DT ProCinema 100 @ 80hz
SUB: SW-115

Do you think have Crossovers right? ALtlOff said try the CLR 2500 as LARGE. Since coming tomorrow I will try it. What about front mains, should they be LARGE also?
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Right now have all set as small. I do have LFE+Main on but guessing doesn't do anything since all small?

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FRONT MAINS: DT BP2002 @ 40hz
CENTER: DT CLR 2500 @ 80hz it's coming tomorrow.
SURROUNDS: DT BPX @ 80hz
REARS: DT BP2X @ 80hz
FRONT HEIGHTS and TOP MIDDLE: DT ProCinema 100 @ 80hz
SUB: SW-115

Do you think have Crossovers right? ALtlOff said try the CLR 2500 as LARGE. Since coming tomorrow I will try it. What about front mains, should they be LARGE also?
it is widely frowned upon to use "lfe and main" (aka double bass) as that "duplicates" bass signal below the crossover setting, it does not cutoff any frequencies, it runs front mains as large and full band with no bass management. run "lfe" only for proper bass management from the avr.

your crossovers look good as the 2002 has it's rolloff in the 30hz range,with that sub, setting the crossover to 60hz may sound better, but it's personal choice at that point

if you want to run the center channel lower, great, experimentation is encouraged.
but i would just adjust crossovers down to 60 or 40 hz not using large, (even cnet review tried large so it's not a horrible idea) but it's only an 8 inch woofer not a sub , let the sub do what it does best and handle the frequencies below 40hz or 60hz

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For anyone looking to get the studio monitors, right now is the perfect time. I got the sm 65s for 218 a piece from bajawaverunner on eBay. They're normally 270
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I was running my DT-BP9060's this way [Speaker = Large / Sub = Yes / LFE Connection to AVR]. It seemed the LED 'D' logo wasn't / didn't illuminate very often on the BP-9060's. I recently changed the set up of my DT-9060's to another recommended option [Speaker = Small / Sub = Yes / LFE Connection to AVR / Crossover = 80Mz]. It seems that the LED 'D' logo stays illuminated all the time now when watching TV / Movies / Gaming.

The YouTube video above (from Audioholics) gives a good explanation of three different options for powered Tower Speakers w/ built-in subwoofers.
Did you notice anything different when you switched to using the LFE option?

I have the 9080x and currently have it running with speaker cable and my Yamaha receiver set the speakers as large and no sub.

What's the better way to go? Speakers set to small, sub on and then LFE? Thanks

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Did you notice anything different when you switched to using the LFE option?

I have the 9080x and currently have it running with speaker cable and my Yamaha receiver set the speakers as large and no sub.

What's the better way to go? Speakers set to small, sub on and then LFE? Thanks

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if you have a separate dedicated subwoofer"
just hook up the 9080's with speaker wire and all speakers to small (bass managed)

with no separate dedicated subwoofer:
if you use lfe cable and speaker wire:
set the speaker to small to allow the receiver to manage the bass through the lfe cable using the receivers crossover settings
yes "Speakers set to small, sub on and then LFE" is the correct settings with this method

if you use speaker wire only:
set the speaker to large and use the speakers built in crossover

the difference is a personal choice if you want to manage your own crossover settings or not
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Did you notice anything different when you switched to using the LFE option?

I have the 9080x and currently have it running with speaker cable and my Yamaha receiver set the speakers as large and no sub.

What's the better way to go? Speakers set to small, sub on and then LFE? Thanks

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I've always used a LFE connection from my 9060's to the AVR, so I can't answer in regards to the sound difference.

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if you have a separate dedicated subwoofer"
just hook up the 9080's with speaker wire and all speakers to small (bass managed)

with no separate dedicated subwoofer:
if you use lfe cable and speaker wire:
set the speaker to small to allow the receiver to manage the bass through the lfe cable using the receivers crossover settings

if you use speaker wire only:
set the speaker to large and use the speakers built in crossover

the difference is a personal choice if you want to manage your own crossover settings or not

(lfe and mains aka double bass is not recommended)
^^^ Thanks littlefoot^^^

Here is a good YouTube video by Audioholics which gives the different options regarding powered tower speakers w/ built-in subwoofers. I've gone back and forth between *OPTION 2* and *OPTION 3*. I've finally settled on *OPTION 2* however, I don't know that I really can tell the difference as both options provided great bass and sound.

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My new SM45's will be here today! $300 for the pair! I listened to the PM1000, SM45, and SM55.. I liked the 45 the best.
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Hey guys do you think it would be worth it to switch my front mains from bp-8060's to sm65's?

Right now I have a denon avr-x4200 8060st mains and a cs-9060 center yes not a typo. And I have 8060st side surrounds and ceiling mounted pm800's with two svs-pb2000. Just a little run down but....

In my opinion I just feel like for my room the bi-polar is just obsolete, my room is not that big 14x11x8 so the towers are about 5 inches from front wall. And I just feel like the 4.5 mids are just not cutting it for me. Like they are lacking that I would be better sufficed going with a direct radiating monitor with better/bigger mids. As I do not care about the bass because I have two subs.

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In the next week or so I'm selling (4) Definitive Technology 600 series satellite speakers. I'll sell all four or as a pair. I've only had them 5-6 months and they've only been used as surround speakers and are like "new". They are in excellent condition! Def Techs are great speakers! I'll sell them for $125 a pair! Anyone that is interested before I put them on eBay can message me!
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Hey guys do you think it would be worth it to switch my front mains from bp-8060's to sm65's?

Right now I have a denon avr-x4200 8060st mains and a cs-9060 center yes not a typo. And I have 8060st side surrounds and ceiling mounted pm800's with two svs-pb2000. Just a little run down but....

In my opinion I just feel like for my room the bi-polar is just obsolete, my room is not that big 14x11x8 so the towers are about 5 inches from front wall. And I just feel like the 4.5 mids are just not cutting it for me. Like they are lacking that I would be better sufficed going with a direct radiating monitor with better/bigger mids. As I do not care about the bass because I have two subs.

Any input would be appreciated.
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Normally I wouldn't, but with your specific situation the 65's just may be what your looking for, that and I've never been a fan of anything less than a 5.25" driver for HT.

Honestly, with the price bajawaverunner has on them right now, even if you didn't like then you could resell them at little or no loss, or you'll just end up with a really nice pair of speakers for a 2 channel setup somewhere.

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So do you think that would be a significant upgrade?
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He's right. You should jump on those now if you really want to get them. They're down from 270 a piece to like 218 right now. I bought 3.

Now that I will have 3 sm65s for my mains and center, 2 sm350 for my surrounds, would you guys recommend a supercube III? I have a pro sub 800 which isn't great.
Altloff, you recommended a direct int sub. Any suggestions on what I should combine my setup with?
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So do you think that would be a significant upgrade?
Again, in your specific situation I think it would be an upgrade, how significant is impossible to gauge, but the 65's have an impressive amount of depth and fullness to them, that to me is what it sounds like your looking for.

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He's right. You should jump on those now if you really want to get them. They're down from 270 a piece to like 218 right now. I bought 3.

Now that I will have 3 sm65s for my mains and center, 2 sm350 for my surrounds, would you guys recommend a supercube III? I have a pro sub 800 which isn't great.
Altloff, you recommended a direct int sub. Any suggestions on what I should combine my setup with?
I'd go with a PSA, Svs, Hsu etc
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He's right. You should jump on those now if you really want to get them. They're down from 270 a piece to like 218 right now. I bought 3.

Now that I will have 3 sm65s for my mains and center, 2 sm350 for my surrounds, would you guys recommend a supercube III? I have a pro sub 800 which isn't great.
Altloff, you recommended a direct int sub. Any suggestions on what I should combine my setup with?
Definitely ID if you're buying new.
Honestly, while the SC-III would be an upgrade over the PS-800, personally I would only use an SC-III for filling in low end in a music only system, if you had no other choice or got it incredibly cheap ($150 or less) In DefTech's line I wouldn't use anything less than an SC-II or SC-4000 for HT.
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My room is pretty big, but the speakers are pointing towards a wall about 13 feet away, the home theater space is about 12 feet in width With the right side closed off with a wall, and the left side is open with about another 13 feet of open room space. As far as the ceilings they're high, about 14-15 feet.
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My room is pretty big, but the speakers are pointing towards a wall about 13 feet away, the home theater space is about 12 feet in width With the right side closed off with a wall, and the left side is open with about another 13 feet of open room space. As far as the ceilings they're high, about 14-15 feet.
So basically 15 x 25 x 15 for the entire space + hallways, so yes, that's going to take a good amount of Sub(s) to do it right.
I'd start with 1 that will almost do the job, until of course you add the second.
I wouldn't buy DefTech new, but if you want to try used in DefTech your probably looking at SC-I, SC-Reference, SC-8000 (6000 bare minimum) or one of the older Powerfield 1500's (I personally don't like the 1800 or the PF-15 or PF-18)
For SVS, Ported 2000 series at least.
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One of the 15" offerings from HSU, Rythmik or PSA.

Unfortunately, either way you go, to do it right you're going to need some pretty substantial output, but... Once you've been introduced to what proper output can do to transform your entire experience, you'll understand why it's worth it.

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*OK* I've seen several times on this forum of people recommending a few sites to buy speakers cheaper and even the bajawaverunner eBay seller for Def Techs. Correct me if I'm wrong, those speakers are "Reburbished" and they are not an authorized dealer so you have no warranty. He has reburbished SM45's for $112 each. They are normally $199 each but on sale everywhere right now for $159.. I bought two! So yes, I will pay nearly $100 more for the pair for brand NEW and to know I have the 5 year warranty...
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*OK* I've seen several times on this forum of people recommending a few sites to buy speakers cheaper and even the bajawaverunner eBay seller for Def Techs. Correct me if I'm wrong, those speakers are "Reburbished" and they are not an authorized dealer so you have no warranty. He has reburbished SM45's for $112 each. They are normally $199 each but on sale everywhere right now for $159.. I bought two! So yes, I will pay nearly $100 more for the pair for brand NEW and to know I have the 5 year warranty...
Bajawaverunner ships from the exact same city as Deftech... I've ordered several times from them and the items look brand new when they arrive, in their original box with all original manuals.

It's either ran by deftech themselves or an employee who ships the items from their location.

I've also had one small issue with a speaker I ordered and bajawaverunner shipped replacement items directly from deftech. Which tells you something... they basically come with an unwritten warranty, supported by deftech themselves.

Basically I would never buy new deftech as long as bajawaverunner is around. Trust me. When you open the box you will be shocked.
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*OK* I've seen several times on this forum of people recommending a few sites to buy speakers cheaper and even the bajawaverunner eBay seller for Def Techs. Correct me if I'm wrong, those speakers are "Reburbished" and they are not an authorized dealer so you have no warranty. He has reburbished SM45's for $112 each. They are normally $199 each but on sale everywhere right now for $159.. I bought two! So yes, I will pay nearly $100 more for the pair for brand NEW and to know I have the 5 year warranty...
Bajawaverunner ships from the exact same city as Deftech... I've ordered several times from them and the items look brand new when they arrive, in their original box with all original manuals.

It's either ran by deftech themselves or an employee who ships the items from their location.

I've also had one small issue with a speaker I ordered and bajawaverunner shipped replacement items directly from deftech. Which tells you something... they basically come with an unwritten warranty, supported by deftech themselves.

Basically I would never buy new deftech as long as bajawaverunner is around. Trust me. When you open the box you will be shocked.
I can also vouch for Baja. I bought all of my deftech speakers from him and all came looking brand new and all work perfectly. As for the warranty there is no need to worry as deftech has one of the best customer service departments around. I have family and co workers that have speakers 10+ years old and were frantically searching for minor replacement parts. I told them to call deftech even out of warranty and to their surprise deftech sent them the parts free of charge and even helped with the instruction on how to properly replace the parts.

One co worker wanted a new sub for one of his towers and was told he needed a new crossover for the other. Deftech recommended replacing the crossovers in both so sent them free. They also recommended replacing both woofers and only charged him for 1 plus shipping which was still half the price he was able to find anywhere else.

Customer service like this is why so many have no problem buying from Baja not to mention if something is wrong when you receive the speakers Baja will take care of it himself within a given time frame but if after deftech will most certainly take care of you without a doubt in my mind.
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+1 for Baja feedback

I bought my Promonitor 1000s from Baja. After couple of months, my kid misplaced one of the speaker's base - I wasn't using it as my speakers are mounted to the wall. I sent an email to Baja to see if he has any spare bases. In two days I had an extra base in my mailbox - free of charge (free shipping as well).

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I guess I'm just skeptical of used or "reburbished" items especially audio equipment. For instance, the PM 800's are $145 retail but were just on sale for $129 I think. I can buy them new for $110 each. They are $90 refurbished on Baja's site..? The PM45's > new $159 vs refurb $112. I'll buy new.. sorry. That's just me. It would have to be something of significant savings for me to try that option.
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I guess I'm just skeptical of used or "reburbished" items especially audio equipment. For instance, the PM 800's are $145 retail but were just on sale for $129 I think. I can buy them new for $110 each. They are $90 refurbished on Baja's site..? The PM45's > new $159 vs refurb $112. I'll buy new.. sorry. That's just me. It would have to be something of significant savings for me to try that option.
For some of us, that extra $90 discount per pair of speakers is worth it. Especially when they come looking like they are brand new in box. I paid close to $145 for my original PM 800s a few years ago and wish I had known about Baja, because I might have started with better speakers for my budget and felt less of a need to upgrade.

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I guess I'm just skeptical of used or "reburbished" items especially audio equipment. For instance, the PM 800's are $145 retail but were just on sale for $129 I think. I can buy them new for $110 each. They are $90 refurbished on Baja's site..? The PM45's > new $159 vs refurb $112. I'll buy new.. sorry. That's just me. It would have to be something of significant savings for me to try that option.
I was the same way a few years back, but there is one huge factor when it comes to referbed audio gear, buy from a factory authorized referb seller (like Baja or A4L or jadedesign) this way the referb's are most always done by the mfg themselves or at the lest, someone certified by them.

Baja is nothing more than DefTech's way of selling their referb's on e-bay without having to have their own store.
Just like jadedesign is Emotiva's e-bay referb store, and A4L is just an internet storefront for multiple mfg's. All of these products are refebed by the mfg's themselves, not some guy in his basement with a soldering iron and Radio Shack testing gear.
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Finally set up my sm65s. I still have my promonitor 800s as my surrounds. I have to get stands for the sm350s before I can use em. Would you guys recommend setting them up as back/rear speakers or as surround L/R?
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