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Narrowing down choices for my in-wall front sound stage.


I'm seeing that the UIW RLS II speakers are "vertical only" on some sites.


Anyone here use this speaker horizontally for center channel?
Definitive does describe them as suitable for center channel use. I think the issue typically preventing horizontal placement is just that they are too long to fit between stud bays. (The required cut-out is 28.5")
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^^ This ^^
It can absolutely be mounted horizontally, but to do it to code in anything but a false wall (where you could simply leave out a vertical stud) you'd have to frame it as you would a window of that size.

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Definitive does describe them as suitable for center channel use. I think the issue typically preventing horizontal placement is just that they are too long to fit between stud bays. (The required cut-out is 28.5")
OK, thanks. I had the house framed for a larger center speaker there (I only need about 6 more inches of space compared to my current Jamo).


I've had multiple people from the industry tell me that these won't sound significantly better than the Jamo 626k4 speakers I currently have (they are actually really good).


However, I could replace my 4 bipole surrounds by moving these Jamos into the sides and rear (buy one more), and I'd have four monopole surrounds that each have two 6.5 woofers, a mid, and tweeter.


So in effect, my Atmos system would consist of 18 total 6.5-inch in-wall woofers, along with two SVS PC-12 cylinder subs. That should be able to handle smooth and significant bass


The more I've learned, the less concerned I am about timbre matching the fronts with the surrounds. I'd have Def Tech fronts and tops with Jamo surrounds.

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^^ This ^^
It can absolutely be mounted horizontally, but to do it to code in anything but a false wall (where you could simply leave out a vertical stud) you'd have to frame it as you would a window of that size.
Another option, which could look good if you do it right, is to essentially surface-mount a custom enclosure for it under the monitor/screen. Same idea as a false wall....without the wall. lol
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Dedicated sub

How many deftech owners with built in subs have a separate dedicated subwoofer? If you do have a dedicated sub what size and brand is it?
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How many deftech owners with built in subs have a separate dedicated subwoofer? If you do have a dedicated sub what size and brand is it?
Yeah, I bought a SuperCube Reference back when I bought my 7001s, so got a decent deal on it. For serious home theater, I think a dedicated sub, while maybe not a "must," is key to realizing that truly immersive theater experience.
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How many deftech owners with built in subs have a separate dedicated subwoofer? If you do have a dedicated sub what size and brand is it?
I use a psav1801 right behind my seat.
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How many deftech owners with built in subs have a separate dedicated subwoofer? If you do have a dedicated sub what size and brand is it?
Mythos ST with a supercube reference.
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How many deftech owners with built in subs have a separate dedicated subwoofer? If you do have a dedicated sub what size and brand is it?
The DefTechs don’t go nearly as low as they claim. Yeas they add a lot to the experience but for true low bass you need a good sub imo. Bigger the better. Depends on room size also. The grenade scene in the Brad Pitt zombie movie had my bp7000s woofers flapping. That is a rare scene with bass so low a large sealed sub is needed. I don’t think my ported 18” actually did much better on that particular scene. And I might add that I’m running all subs on the hot side.
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The DefTechs don’t go nearly as low as they claim. Yes they add a lot to the experience but for true low bass you need a good sub imo. Bigger the better. Depends on room size also. The grenade scene in the Brad Pitt zombie movie had my bp7000s woofers flapping. That is a rare scene with bass so low a large sealed sub is needed. I don’t think my ported 18” actually did much better on that particular scene.
Yeah, I agree. I think DefTech has always been a little bit misleading in how they market and describe the towers' (and centers') sub drivers. It's more realistic to think of those powered drivers as DefTech's approach to designing full range speakers, rather than thinking of them as subwoofers.
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Yeah, I agree. I think DefTech has always been a little bit misleading in how they market and describe the towers' (and centers') sub drivers. It's more realistic to think of those powered drivers as DefTech's approach to designing full range speakers, rather than thinking of them as subwoofers.
I’d say the top line woofers do pretty well with the majority of content. It’s just those really low scenes you experience once in awhile that they can’t handle. For that content though one needs to add or build a large enclosure with a big woofer. I have 4 towers set up with lfe now. Adds a lot of bass. This enabled me to move my 18” to my mlp. While the 18” level is set much lower because of the close proximity to mlp- it gives one hell of an effect.
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This enabled me to move my 18” to my mlp. While the 18” level is set much lower because of the close proximity to mlp- it gives one hell of an effect.
I'll bet!
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How many deftech owners with built in subs have a separate dedicated subwoofer? If you do have a dedicated sub what size and brand is it?


BP8080’s with a Hsu VTF-3 MK5 15” sub... a good sub is a must!


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I have a HSU VTF 15H MK2 and an older def tech power field sub right behind the MLP setup as nearfield. Eventually I will have 2 of the HSU’s.
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I have a HSU VTF 15H MK2 and an older def tech power field sub right behind the MLP setup as nearfield. Eventually I will have 2 of the HSU’s.
How do you like the nearfield effect? I think it adds a ton to the movie experience. Some scenes startle me and action movies are taken to a new level. Probably similar to crowsons.
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How do you like the nearfield effect? I think it adds a ton to the movie experience. Some scenes startle me and action movies are taken to a new level. Probably similar to crowsons.
I have that same sub and it's about 5' away right next to the sofa end. It's fantastic that close. You feel the air pressure and seat rumbling on scenes with low extension. Super clean.

Funny that someone mentioned the grenade scene in world war Z, since I use that movie for demo. The scene shortly after with the helicopter crashing and blowing up is also money. Same thing with the easier scene when the bus is tipped over by the zombies

The DefTechs also shine in those scenes and show off their detail and clarity. I can hear the bullet casings hitting the floor and all the footsteps sound great .
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While my 5 Subs are all DefTech, I only have them because of aesthetics and that I only bought 1 new.
Plus they are 1 of only 3 models of DefTech sub I'd ever recommend, and they'd all still have to be at the right price, which isn't retail.

As far as Subs with Supertowers, my personal opinion is that they are a must if you plan on doing a system right.
IMO, there are only 3 Supertowers (maybe 4) that I would ever consider using their internal subs as actual replacement subs for stand alones, and you'd really need to have them as Fronts and Surrounds, to give you a chance at having even bass because of placement issues.

Yes @keeper , you have two of them...lol
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How do you like the nearfield effect? I think it adds a ton to the movie experience. Some scenes startle me and action movies are taken to a new level. Probably similar to crowsons.
I love it and I agree that it adds a ton to the experience. I considered getting bass shakers or something similar, but tried a sub I had in storage behind the seat and was pleasantly surprised.

Eventually it will be another HSU behind me when I can convince the wife. 😬
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I love it and I agree that it adds a ton to the experience. I considered getting bass shakers or something similar, but tried a sub I had in storage behind the seat and was pleasantly surprised.

Eventually it will be another HSU behind me when I can convince the wife. 😬
That is what’s cool about the audio side of ht. You can build a system that sounds better than all/most theaters. I watched the new version of The Blair Witch a few weeks ago with atmos. While certainly not a great film the last 20 minutes is reference quality stuff. I was amazed how it sounded.

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That is what’s cool about the audio side of ht. You can build a system that sounds better than all/most theaters. I watched the new version of The Blair Witch a few weeks ago with atmos. While certainly not a great film the last 20 minutes is reference quality stuff. I was amazed how it sounded.
I’ll have to check that one out. I love Atmos, without a doubt one of the best upgrades to my HT I’ve made.
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I purchased and installed three UIW RLS III In Wall's for my L/C/R speakers. They look and sound great. The center is vertical behind a Silver Ticket acoustically transparent screen.

I was set on in-walls due to aesthetics and decided I needed ones with enclosures because the space behind the wall is a crawl space. It doesn't have the typical enclosed cavity of a wall or ceiling. There weren't many quality options that also came in at a reasonable price.

I bought them from Def Tech's ebay account. Showed up fast with free shipping. Zero issues.

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Any CS9080 owners? Just set up system yesterday. Center has no sound and the light on the back keeps flashing blue and red. It's hooked up identically to the clr2300 I just had there. Double checked everything is connected correctly. Manual only says there are built in circuits to protect speaker. If it's triggered wait 5 min. Light flashed for 20+ min before I disconnected speaker. Emailed def tech support but haven't heard back yet. Kinda need a center channel to watch a movie.

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Any CS9080 owners? Just set up system yesterday. Center has no sound and the light on the back keeps flashing blue and red. It's hooked up identically to the clr2300 I just had there. Double checked everything is connected correctly. Manual only says there are built in circuits to protect speaker. If it's triggered wait 5 min. Light flashed for 20+ min before I disconnected speaker. Emailed def tech support but haven't heard back yet. Kinda need a center channel to watch a movie.

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Flashing blue and red...? That can't be good. If it's brand new, I wouldn't even bother troubleshooting. I'd get a replacement.
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Flashing blue and red...? That can't be good. If it's brand new, I wouldn't even bother troubleshooting. I'd get a replacement.
Yeah there's blue light on back of powered speakers. Think it lets you know amp is active. That light flashes red on and off while blue stays on. Yeah it's prob going to get replaced. Thankfully I bought from BB so I don't have to ship it.
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Yeah there's blue light on back of powered speakers. Think it lets you know amp is active. That light flashes red on and off while blue stays on. Yeah it's prob going to get replaced. Thankfully I bought from BB so I don't have to ship it.
Oh, that's perfect then. Just pack it up and run it over there. You should be able to swap it out without issue.

As a quick side note....you don't actually need a center channel to watch a movie. (If, say, BB doesn't have another one in stock today.) If you tell your receiver that you don't have a center channel, it'll use a phantom center, which actually works remarkably well.
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Oh, that's perfect then. Just pack it up and run it over there. You should be able to swap it out without issue.

As a quick side note....you don't actually need a center channel to watch a movie. (If, say, BB doesn't have another one in stock today.) If you tell your receiver that you don't have a center channel, it'll use a phantom center, which actually works remarkably well.
Yeah I know, I just turned center off on receiver. For inaugural day of speakers I wanted to blast some concert blu-rays. Doesn't quite pack the punch without a center. Whats typical break in period for new speakers (under normal use), like 40 hours?
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I have ProSub 1000 The sound is great. Unfortunately due to it being only 31 lbs it kind "walks" on the floor and I can head it rattling when it is almost lifting itself from the floor at medium to high volume during low frequency parts in movies.
Should I try to load on the top of it / strap to it some iron (30-50 lbs) ? or look into acoustic dampers / decouplers?

I also have much heavier 12" Infinity BU2 sub, and it doesn't have this issue.

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I have ProSub 1000 The sound is great. Unfortunately due to it being only 31 lbs it kind "walks" on the floor and I can head it rattling when it is almost lifting itself from the floor at medium to high volume during low frequency parts in movies.

Should I try to load on the top of it / strap to it some iron (30-50 lbs) ? or look into acoustic dampers / decouplers?



I also have much heavier 12" Infinity BU2 sub, and it doesn't have this issue.

Personally If you have some old mouse pads to put under the feet they usually work pretty well. Another cheap and effective solution is to use the "foam" like draw liners. I'd think about 8 layers thick under each leg should do the trick. Let me know how this works for you



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I have ProSub 1000 The sound is great. Unfortunately due to it being only 31 lbs it kind "walks" on the floor and I can head it rattling when it is almost lifting itself from the floor at medium to high volume during low frequency parts in movies.
Should I try to load on the top of it / strap to it some iron (30-50 lbs) ? or look into acoustic dampers / decouplers?

I also have much heavier 12" Infinity BU2 sub, and it doesn't have this issue.
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Personally If you have some old mouse pads to put under the feet they usually work pretty well. Another cheap and effective solution is to use the "foam" like draw liners. I'd think about 8 layers thick under each leg should do the trick. Let me know how this works for you
Another thing that works well, if you have a harbor freight near by, their anti-fatigue foam mats make great isolators, and can be cut to fit perfectly.
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Hi Everyone! Need some advice from my DefTech brethren... I recently made the sad discovery that one of my BP-2002TL's, which have been awesome for the last 15+ years, have a blown tweeter. I honestly wouldn't even have noticed if I hadn't been running some test tones, but now its in my head. Sooooo....


I just took advantage of the recent sale to "upgrade" to the BP-9060's with the free CS9060. After giving them a test run, I am a bit disappointed. Despite having outstanding clarity and a wide soundstage, the BP-9060's don't have the low-range "oomph" that the 2002TL's do. They don't seem to fill the room as well, even with the bass knob cranked to the max. Could partially be due to the 10" woofer vs the 12" on the 2002TL's. I thought the 9060's were comparable to the 2002TL's but it seems like the 9080's are the modern equivalent. I already have 4 in-ceiling Atmos speakers (DefTech of course), so paying extra for the 9080's with the included A90's seems like overkill (side question - are the height modules on the 9080's removable or are they integrated? Perhaps I could sell them separately?). I do have a 60-day return window for the 9060's, so looking for options.


I have always loved the wide and uniform low range that the 2002TL's have provided and never had the need for a sub. Guess I would consider one to pair with the 9060's. Unfortunately I just had my room redone so positioning and running new wiring for a sub would be a pain. What would you all recommend? Would like to make a quick decision to take advantage of any Black Friday deals...


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