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Can you not just manually set the crossover to something you prefer? Those are only 3.5" mids so I wouldn't expect much bass or low-mid out of them... Def Tech's specs say 50 Hz so I wouldn't be surprised if their low frequency roll-off point was much more like 100 Hz or even higher. The Audyssey might also be a bit confounded by the dipole design as well.

You can lower the crossover, yes. However the advice generally given is that it's ok to raise it, but not to lower it as Audyssey won't EQ anything below the original crossover point. I know that Def Tech can be...putting it nicely..."generous" with their frequency range specs, but 200Hz vs 50Hz seems like a bigger disparity than I would expect. Therefore I was concerned that something might be off with these particular speakers, moreso given that the Atmos modules (single 4" mid driver) are set at 150Hz.


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I agree with the rest of the folks. The spec sheet for these recommends a 100hz crossover which I've found acceptable yet a slight bump up (as in 120hz)does not hurt either. Normally the bipole speakers will through off the distance measurements yet my novice opinion is that it shouldn't mess with the cross over settings. Personally I'd just set them to 100hz and see what you like as your ears do not here the same as the set-up mic . Let us know how it works out.

Thanks for the personal experience. I tried them at 120Hz and they sound just fine. More experienced ears would probably tell me that I'm creating some horrendous mess due to the missing EQ between 200Hz and 120Hz but oh well. If I can't hear it then it doesn't exist
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Wow interesting, finally a review. That was pretty eye opening. I still am not sure how they'll do in a home theater setting but as we go I'm sure they'll be reviews that cover that. I'm not interested to hear them. Maybe I'll go to Best buy to take a listen. Great post, thanks Falconfan71. Good find man.

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Change your mind much lol.
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Change your mind much lol.
Well I don't know about that. I know I'm not going to buy them because I already have a 5.1 Studio monitor system but I wouldn't mind hearing them. That was a good review, want to see many more though.

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Change your mind much lol.


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So ALtlOff since you helped me put the kef debate to bed..... I?m back on the idea of swapping out my promonitor 1000 rear surrounds (5.1 ) for BP6B for a couple extra hundred bucks .... by the sounds of your last answer I think I you were on board.... but just kinda confirming .... I?m nickel and diming myself so jus wanna make sure I?m spending my money wisely ... thanks for any help
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Well I don't know about that. I know I'm not going to buy them because I already have a 5.1 Studio monitor system but I wouldn't mind hearing them. That was a good review, want to see many more though.

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Since you are really into speakers and even higher end stuff like PSA have you investigated any of the setups from DIY Soundgroup? Those seem like the king of all speakers and they are somewhat affordable but diy.
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So ALtlOff since you helped me put the kef debate to bed..... I?m back on the idea of swapping out my promonitor 1000 rear surrounds (5.1 ) for BP6B for a couple extra hundred bucks .... by the sounds of your last answer I think I you were on board.... but just kinda confirming .... I?m nickel and diming myself so jus wanna make sure I?m spending my money wisely ... thanks for any help
Is buying used an option for you?
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What are your fronts and center? I’d imagine you want to stick with the 5.25 driver. Used dt for the most part are very affordable and worth every penny. I just sold my Bp30s for $375 and it pained me to do so. Bpx for wall mount or for towers bp8. People are practically giving the bp8s away. Ok so I saw your original post and you have a mix up front. That opens all kind of options for you. It really depends on how into this hobby you are and if you care to match all the drivers which you can do for cheap.

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Bp10bs and clr2002
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New to def tech .... so still familiarizing myself with the products and series
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New to def tech .... so still familiarizing myself with the products and series
Ok here is what I’d probably do. Sell the clr2002 on eBay and get a used clr2000, that’s a perfect match to your Bp10s and will blend better with them. You will lose very little money on this swap. Clr2000s sell for under $150.
For surrounds you have a few good options. I’m thinking on the cheaper side unless you tell me differently. The sm 450, bpx, bpvx, bp10, bp8. The bpvx are the most expensive at around 4-$600. Bpx is smaller driver but great speaker. With those combinations you would have a great system and done pretty cheaply too.

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I got my homework cut out for me lol... I purchased my system new on Black Friday so don?t wanna take a hit ....dealers willing to swap out 1000s for bp6 cause I made some noise bout why he didn?t offer them first to me for a couple hundred more as that seems like the better deal ?
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Since you are really into speakers and even higher end stuff like PSA have you investigated any of the setups from DIY Soundgroup? Those seem like the king of all speakers and they are somewhat affordable but diy.
Yeah actually I've been checking out diy speakers. The volts and the fusion speakers too. In the future maybe but I really do love these Def Techs. I have really fallen in love with them all over again. I also stepped up to 4k with the Sony 55X900E and I'm very happy with that. So I have toys to keep me occupied.

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I got my homework cut out for me lol... I purchased my system new on Black Friday so don?t wanna take a hit ....dealers willing to swap out 1000s for bp6 cause I made some noise bout why he didn?t offer them first to me for a couple hundred more as that seems like the better deal ?
Was the clr2002 new also? I tried that many years ago with my Bp30s and while it is a good center I was really never that happy with how it blended with my mains. The clr2000 is an upgrade over the clr2002. The 1000s and bp6s are the lower tier dt speakers but it all depends on what you want.
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Yeah actually I've been checking out diy speakers. The volts and the fusion speakers too. In the future maybe but I really do love these Def Techs. I have really fallen in love with them all over again. I also stepped up to 4k with the Sony 55X900E and I'm very happy with that. So I have toys to keep me occupied.

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You still have room on those CC? I thought they were maxed out lol. Expensive hobby that’s for sure but you only live once. My wife is bothered by all the speakers I’ve been buying lately. She has no idea when it was all said and done and after I sold my Bp30s I actually didn’t lose any money at all. But maybe some Crowsons are in my future and they are $$$$.
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Yes I bought everything new as a package ... it is my entry level start up ..... but I can definitely predict the future and see updrades lol....but cash is a big factor
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So ALtlOff since you helped me put the kef debate to bed..... I?m back on the idea of swapping out my promonitor 1000 rear surrounds (5.1 ) for BP6B for a couple extra hundred bucks .... by the sounds of your last answer I think I you were on board.... but just kinda confirming .... I?m nickel and diming myself so jus wanna make sure I?m spending my money wisely ... thanks for any help
As @keeper mentioned, look used first, you should be able to find used BP10's for $300 or less, and BP8's or BP6's for $250 or less.
Here's what I would look for as an upgrade to what you have.
For surrounds: (in order of my personal preference towers and bookshelves)
BP10's (esp if they are the non-b's, this would give you the chance to see if you can hear any difference between them and the b's, and choose which you like best for the Fronts)
BP8's
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SM450
CLR2002 (this could be either a pair of CLR2002, or better yet, a CLR2000 to swap as your Center and a single CLR2002 to go with your current one for surrounds)
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PM1000 (put this in here for reference)
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Upgrade your Fronts and move the BP10's back.
BP30
BP20

I didn't list any Supertowers in order to keep this upgrade at or below $500.00

Those would be my suggestions.

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Yes I bought everything new as a package ... it is my entry level start up ..... but I can definitely predict the future and see updrades lol....but cash is a big factor
Completely understood. Altioff provided a few more good suggestions that I left off my list.
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Thank you very much guys ..... I?m up in Canada so it?s a little pricier ..... I can pick up another pair of Bp10b for 700 ( more then I want to spend on rears ) .... BP6B for 500 ....I?m already into the pm1000s for 300..... I kinda thought that surrounds didn?t do a whole lot ? How does music ( spotify ) sound on surround as opposed to stereo ?
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Thought I better explain .... started with a 3.1 system .... forgot how nice it was to have a sound system... so went back and picked up pm1000 for rear surrounds but haven?t had a chance to listen to them or surrounds period ...as I headed outta town for work
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Thought I better explain .... started with a 3.1 system .... forgot how nice it was to have a sound system... so went back and picked up pm1000 for rear surrounds but haven?t had a chance to listen to them or surrounds period ...as I headed outta town for work
As far as the music goes, you're the only one who can answer that.
As far as your surrounds, don't get me wrong, the PM1000 are very capable for their size (this is why the slim options weren't that great of an idea) and if you're not used to surround sound, you'll most likely be quite impressed.
But if you can return them and get something from my list, they should be an improvement, esp from the CLR's and up, but it's in no way something you'd "have" to do, to get good sound.
Let's put it this way, you'd be going from a good speaker to a better one, NOT a bad speaker to a good one.

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Reporting back after owning the 9060s and 9060cs for 2 days


All I can say is that I'm very pleased and more so impressed in how these handle movies/music.


I know that I'm in the dawn of breaking these in so they will only get better.


Settings wise, I set the towers and center to small an set the x-over to 40hz(towers) and 80hz(center)


To me that's how they blend perfectly with my JBL power subs.... I'll keep testing and making tweaks in the future.
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You can lower the crossover, yes. However the advice generally given is that it's ok to raise it, but not to lower it as Audyssey won't EQ anything below the original crossover point. I know that Def Tech can be...putting it nicely..."generous" with their frequency range specs, but 200Hz vs 50Hz seems like a bigger disparity than I would expect. Therefore I was concerned that something might be off with these particular speakers, moreso given that the Atmos modules (single 4" mid driver) are set at 150Hz.





Thanks for the personal experience. I tried them at 120Hz and they sound just fine. More experienced ears would probably tell me that I'm creating some horrendous mess due to the missing EQ between 200Hz and 120Hz but oh well. If I can't hear it then it doesn't exist
You're fine. IMO Audyssey is good but overrated a bit as an end-all-be-all settings authority and your surrounds aren't usually getting much content in that area, and if they are your 3.5" speakers are pretty limited anyway. If you're happier with a lower crossover (wouldn't go below 120 or 100 Hz) then that's what matters.

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Got my Christmas presents early - all set for .4 Atmos . Only challenge now is to find a handyman who can fish speaker wires through the attic.
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Does anyone know the crossover points for the BP9040. I asked a tech support rep and he said they cant give that info out.
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Does anyone know the crossover points for the BP9040. I asked a tech support rep and he said they cant give that info out.


Run your room correction and see what the crossover is set to. I imagine those are usually gonna be around 80-100hz.


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Does anyone know the crossover points for the BP9040. I asked a tech support rep and he said they cant give that info out.
I'm confused on what your asking, and I think the DefTech rep may have been also.

Are you asking what receiver crossover point to set?
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Are you asking the internal crossover points of the speaker? (I understand DefTech maybe not wanting to tell you this.)

For the receiver crossover point, you can either check it with the receivers room correction, Room EQ Wizard or simply set it by ear. (Because of the bi-pole design and powered sub, your room and placement will play into this)

For the speakers internal crossover points, it will take some work, some disconnecting of drivers, REW and a good calibrated Mic.

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Does anyone know the crossover points for the BP9040. I asked a tech support rep and he said they cant give that info out[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif[/IMG].
I'm confused on what your asking, and I think the DefTech rep may have been also.

Are you asking what receiver crossover point to set?
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Are you asking the internal crossover points of the speaker? (I understand DefTech maybe not wanting to tell you this.)

For the receiver crossover point, you can either check it with the receivers room correction, Room EQ Wizard or simply set it by ear. (Because of the bi-pole design and powered sub, your room and placement will play into this)

For the speakers internal crossover points, it will take some work, some disconnecting of drivers, REW and a good calibrated Mic.
I was looking for the crossover inside the towers. Sorry for the confusion
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