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I know, right? I was definitely surprised. I remember when I had the Pioneer VSX-90 and dual VTF3.5’s the graph looked horrible. I have better, more even bass now with the towers and one sub with the Denon than I had with the Pioneer and dual VTF3.5’s. I’m wondering what I can do to make it better but I’m thinking maybe I should just leave it alone.
If that graph was unsmoothed. I would leave it alone, crack a beer, turn it up and smile.
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Now you getting me pissed off too lol. Damn amp cost me $165.
165 for some awful amp Def Tech buys for 50 bucks or even less. I will never forgive them.

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They just got a respectful, but pointed and angry email from me. Let's see if they even bother to respond.

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That's a very good lookin' graph you have there. Impressive results without using REW to get there.


Thanks.. I thought so too! I’ve seen a lot worse on here and I’ve seen worse when I had the Pioneer AVR. If I could get that little dip up a little around 17-18hz I’ll be even more happy!


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Thanks.. I thought so too! I’ve seen a lot worse on here and I’ve seen worse when I had the Pioneer AVR. If I could get that little dip up a little around 17-18hz I’ll be even more happy!
At some point there comes diminishing returns for effort and $/results. For an untreated living room that exceptional and as good as anyone could hope for. Well done Sir.

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At some point there comes diminishing returns for effort and $/results. For an untreated living room that exceptional and as good as anyone could hope for. Well done Sir.


Yea.. I have an open space with no wall treatments and no curtains with hardwood/laminate floors on a concrete slab. I can’t wait to see what this setup sounds like in my next house. 🤨


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Thanks.. I thought so too! I’ve seen a lot worse on here and I’ve seen worse when I had the Pioneer AVR. If I could get that little dip up a little around 17-18hz I’ll be even more happy!


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Me too! lol


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If you can swing the extra cash I’d go with the BP9040 over the BP9020. Those have the 4.5” drivers vs the 3.5” in the 9020. Also, go with the CS9060 if possible.. if not I’d go with the CS9040 over the PC2000 just because of aesthetics (matches the towers) and I like the bigger box design over the ProCenter design.


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The question came down to this for me: Was there a $400.00 + difference in sound between the BP9020's and BP9040's for my living room? The answer was clearly "no". Besides if i didn't like the BP9020's after setting them up i could always upgrade to the BP9040's within 30 days. I knew the BP9020's were a better fit (size wise) for my living room so i gave them a try.

After a few weeks now, i can honestly say the BP9020's are a perfect fit size wise and sound wise for my room. Add the A90 atmos modules and the CS9040 center and the front sound stage is pretty impressive even at low to moderate listening levels. I am very impressed with the BP9020's and there sound stage. They sound much larger then you would ever think they could!

So alot of it will be determine by how much space (room size) your trying to fill, How loud you like it and aesthetics.

As for the center speakers. Again if you have room for the box style speaker go with the CS9040 over the Pro center 2000, although both speakers will be a huge improvement for you and will match well with either towers.


What ever you decide on, your receiver is going to play a important roll in how your system will perform. With the different size speakers you plan on using, be sure your receiver can set crossovers independently for each speaker and that it has good bass management..
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They call it LFE + Mains in the Denon's.

Thanks, I seen that setting. Didn't know if that's what was considered double bass on the AVR-X3400H? It does add more bass when i set the towers to large and click this on. I didn't like it.

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I had them on these (without the plate), used some adhesive.

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Hey all, just joined. I am a noob beyond noobs. I built a man cave in my basement back in 2016 for watching movies mostly. I have a 75" sony for the TV. The movie sound is insane but I am struggling when listening to music. Its great don't get me wrong but just does not sound as good as I hoped. I set everything up and since I don't have any skills I am sure I did something wrong. Any tips on set-up would be appreciated. Here is the list of equipment, I will make a youtube vid and post the room later today. Any help on how to optimize this would be greatly appreciated!!

Receiver: Yahaha Rx-A1060
Subwoofer- Deftech Supercube 4000
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I had them on these (without the plate), used some adhesive.

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Thanks.

Another question... how many of you guys are using the Atmos modules? Are they worth it? From all the information I have gathered, it seems like the ceiling mount speakers are a way to go but I don't have the skills (or patience ) to do that. So looking for alternatives.

Also, is Atmos really worth it? Currently have 5.1 setup and thinking about doing either 7.1 (to rear Bic Acoustech speakers) or going for Atmos. My room is 16x13x9, completely closed off.
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Hey all, just joined. I am a noob beyond noobs. I built a man cave in my basement back in 2016 for watching movies mostly. I have a 75" sony for the TV. The movie sound is insane but I am struggling when listening to music. Its great don't get me wrong but just does not sound as good as I hoped. I set everything up and since I don't have any skills I am sure I did something wrong. Any tips on set-up would be appreciated. Here is the list of equipment, I will make a youtube vid and post the room later today. Any help on how to optimize this would be greatly appreciated!!

Receiver: Yahaha Rx-A1060
Subwoofer- Deftech Supercube 4000
Floor speakers- Deftech BP9060
Center- Deftech CS 9040
Rears- Deftech- Promonitor 800

Based upon the information provided, I would recommend returning the SuperCube 4000 if you can. The powered woofers in your 9060's are more capable than the 8" in the SC4000.


While I'm a fan of Def Tech's towers, their subs perform poorly in comparison to others costing half as much.


What is it you find lacking with music? What integration steps have you taken? What settings are you using to listen to music in your AVR? With this information it might be possible to improve the sound you are currently getting, but the SuperCube is clearly a weak link in your system.
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Hi all. I was hoping to get some advice from Def Tech owners/experts about potential speaker upgrades. I haven't purchased speakers in many years. I am currently using Def Tech BP10B's as my front L+R speakers. But unfortunately, my home theater room does not really allow for ideal placement of these bi-polar speakers. They are fairly close to the back wall and only about 2 ft from the corners. Since I've read that bi-polar speakers really need room to breathe in order to achieve the best results, I am pretty sure that my room is not great for these types of speakers.

So I was thinking about changing to standard speakers. Ideally, I would like to stick with Def Tech since all of my other speakers are Def Tech, including my center which is a CLR 2300. I see that they released some new bookshelf speakers - the Demand Series. Has anyone listened to these or have any opinions on them? I was thinking about maybe trying the D11's as a replacement to my BP10B's. Would this be an overall "upgrade"? I'm sure speaker technology has improved in the 18 years since I purchased the BP10B's, but going from these towers to modern bookshelves concerns me. Note: I do have a sub - an SVS SB12-NSD. Does anyone have any other non-bi-polar recommendations for upgrades for my BP10s?

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The way I've always understood the setup options were as follows (movies):

No External Sub
(1) Speaker-wire + LFE cable: run the speakers as Large with sub set to "on/yes". The full range fronts signal will be played and distributed within the speaker, and the LFE channel will go directly to the built-in woofer.
(2) Speaker-wire + LFE cable: run the speakers as Small and set the cross-over at 80hz or less
Note: If you have no external sub, you should absolutely use the LFE connection otherwise you lose the .1 LFE channel. It seems option 1 is preferred since the speakers will distribute the full range signal internally between the tweeter/mid/woofer more cleanly, without any potential overlap with the AVR bass management roll-offs. It shouldn't make too much of a difference, however, since it's the same signal being played by the same speakers.

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(1) Speaker-wire + LFE cable (with y-splitter if necessary): run the speakers as Large with sub set to "on/yes". The LFE channel will go to both your towers' built-in sub + your external standalone sub. You will need to blend the two together carefully, and there's potential issues if your external sub is way better like a 15" ID sub. However, it can fill out potential nulls and have a more complete sound in some cases.
(2) Speaker-wire ONLY (and of course plugged in with power chord still): set speakers to Small and cross-over at 80hz or less, and direct all low frequencies to your sub which will also handle the LFE channel.
(3) Speaker-wire ONLY (and of course plugged in with power chord still): set speakers to Large/Full, but enable LFE/sub so your external sub can play the LFE channels only.

Did I get everything? For me, the best results were external sub and Option 2.
I have no separate sub, just the ones in my 8060's. I too am using method 1. I turned Extra Bass (Yamaha Receiver) off so it doesn't create the "double bass" problem.
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Subwoofer- Deftech Supercube 4000

Floor speakers- Deftech BP9060

Center- Deftech CS 9040

Rears- Deftech- Promonitor 800


Rich, I agree with @derekmoore that the SC4000 is the weak link here. How long have you had it and can you return it? Then, let’s get some more information...


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Hi all. I was hoping to get some advice from Def Tech owners/experts about potential speaker upgrades. I haven't purchased speakers in many years. I am currently using Def Tech BP10B's as my front L+R speakers. But unfortunately, my home theater room does not really allow for ideal placement of these bi-polar speakers. They are fairly close to the back wall and only about 2 ft from the corners. Since I've read that bi-polar speakers really need room to breathe in order to achieve the best results, I am pretty sure that my room is not great for these types of speakers.



So I was thinking about changing to standard speakers. Ideally, I would like to stick with Def Tech since all of my other speakers are Def Tech, including my center which is a CLR 2300. I see that they released some new bookshelf speakers - the Demand Series. Has anyone listened to these or have any opinions on them? I was thinking about maybe trying the D11's as a replacement to my BP10B's. Would this be an overall "upgrade"? I'm sure speaker technology has improved in the 18 years since I purchased the BP10B's, but going from these towers to modern bookshelves concerns me. Note: I do have a sub - an SVS SB12-NSD. Does anyone have any other non-bi-polar recommendations for upgrades for my BP10s?



Thanks.

I went from Studio Monitor 45’s to the BP8080’s. I have them only about 10 inches or so away from the back wall, which is not ideal I know, but they sound really good. There are a lot of happy 9000 series owners also on here. Are you sure you want to abort bi-polars?


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I went from Studio Monitor 45’s to the BP8080’s. I have them only about 10 inches or so away from the back wall, which is not ideal I know, but they sound really good. There are a lot of happy 9000 series owners also on here. Are you sure you want to abort bi-polars?
Actually, I'm not really sure I want to abandon my BP10B's

They do still sound pretty good to me, but they are just so old. These speakers last forever. I actually still have a pair of DR7 towers that I purchased in 1994 that still sound pretty good. I guess I am just getting the upgrade itch. And since I haven't auditioned speakers in so long, I just really wanted something "new". But only if it is an improvement.

I am still curious about the D11's. I would love to find a place I could actually hear them. And since there are so few reviews out there of them, I would love to see if anyone here has any opinions about them.
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Actually, I'm not really sure I want to abandon my BP10B's



They do still sound pretty good to me, but they are just so old. These speakers last forever. I actually still have a pair of DR7 towers that I purchased in 1994 that still sound pretty good. I guess I am just getting the upgrade itch. And since I haven't auditioned speakers in so long, I just really wanted something "new". But only if it is an improvement.



I am still curious about the D11's. I would love to find a place I could actually hear them. And since there are so few reviews out there of them, I would love to see if anyone here has any opinions about them.

Honestly, before I spent $1,000 on a pair of bookshelves with single 6.5” drivers (D11) I’d be tempted to try out some SVS Prime Towers for $1,000. Each tower has (2) 6.5” woofers, a 4.5” midrange driver, and 1” tweeter. Or find a nice used set of newer towers.


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Hi all. I was hoping to get some advice from Def Tech owners/experts about potential speaker upgrades. I haven't purchased speakers in many years. I am currently using Def Tech BP10B's as my front L+R speakers. But unfortunately, my home theater room does not really allow for ideal placement of these bi-polar speakers. They are fairly close to the back wall and only about 2 ft from the corners. Since I've read that bi-polar speakers really need room to breathe in order to achieve the best results, I am pretty sure that my room is not great for these types of speakers.

So I was thinking about changing to standard speakers. Ideally, I would like to stick with Def Tech since all of my other speakers are Def Tech, including my center which is a CLR 2300. I see that they released some new bookshelf speakers - the Demand Series. Has anyone listened to these or have any opinions on them? I was thinking about maybe trying the D11's as a replacement to my BP10B's. Would this be an overall "upgrade"? I'm sure speaker technology has improved in the 18 years since I purchased the BP10B's, but going from these towers to modern bookshelves concerns me. Note: I do have a sub - an SVS SB12-NSD. Does anyone have any other non-bi-polar recommendations for upgrades for my BP10s?

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What's your budget for this upgrade? If you like the legacy Def Tech's you may want to audition Sandy Gross's latest invention - the Golden Ear brand. Their Titan series have built in subs but are not bipolar design.

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What's your budget for this upgrade? If you like the legacy Def Tech's you may want to audition Sandy Gross's latest invention - the Golden Ear brand. Their Titan series have built in subs but are not bipolar design.
I was trying to do an upgrade for about $1000, which is why I was thinking that sticking with Def Tech would be the best option. I already have a Def Tech center channel, and didn't want to mismatch the mains. I know that is not much money for a pair of decent main speakers. I was thinking I would replace the bi-polar design due to my space restrictions and maybe get a decent upgrade in quality considering that my speakers are pretty old. I assumed modern speakers at $1000 would be an upgrade over almost 20 year old speakers of a similar price range.

I will take a look at the Golden Ear brand that you suggested. I have also considered SVS, since I've heard so many good things about them. Would switching speaker manufacturers force me to also swap out my center? I'm trying to avoid that to keep initial costs down.

Thanks all for the suggestions.
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I would like to add that i went round and round between the BP9020's and BP9040's before buying. Then went to Best buy Magnolia and did some side by side comparison with music and movie content. Spent a good 45 minutes with the doors closed. I was concerned the BP9020's would have to work hard to keep up with the BP9040's. Truth of the matter is anything below 80db listening levels they both sound very simular. For music my brother and i actually prefered the BP9020's over the BP9040's. For movies the BP9040's had more bass with both sets of speakers set the same and the volume at the same level. But i knew Best buy had them set up with speaker wire only ( no LFE) as large so of course the BP9040's would have more bass with everything being equal.

The question came down to this for me: Was there a $400.00 + difference in sound between the BP9020's and BP9040's for my living room? The answer was clearly "no". Besides if i didn't like the BP9020's after setting them up i could always upgrade to the BP9040's within 30 days. I knew the BP9020's were a better fit (size wise) for my living room so i gave them a try.

After a few weeks now, i can honestly say the BP9020's are a perfect fit size wise and sound wise for my room. Add the A90 atmos modules and the CS9040 center and the front sound stage is pretty impressive even at low to moderate listening levels. I am very impressed with the BP9020's and there sound stage. They sound much larger then you would ever think they could!

So alot of it will be determine by how much space (room size) your trying to fill, How loud you like it and aesthetics.

As for the center speakers. Again if you have room for the box style speaker go with the CS9040 over the Pro center 2000, although both speakers will be a huge improvement for you and will match well with either towers.


What ever you decide on, your receiver is going to play a important roll in how your system will perform. With the different size speakers you plan on using, be sure your receiver can set crossovers independently for each speaker and that it has good bass management..
Thanks for this! I actually ended up doing just as you suggested yesterday going to the magnolia room and was there for nearly 2.5 hours. I am very glad I did. I actually ended up going with 2 Bowers & Wilkins - 600 Series 683 S2 towers and a HTM62 S2 center. The rep let me really go to town switching to different movies and scenes along the line of what we're normally watching at home -- demoing with Arrival was particularly illuminating in the comparison. I realized with the type of content we watch I much preferred the sound I was getting from those B&Ws than the 9020's or 40's.

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Thanks for this! I actually ended up doing just as you suggested yesterday going to the magnolia room and was there for nearly 2.5 hours. I am very glad I did. I actually ended up going with 2 Bowers & Wilkins - 600 Series 683 S2 towers and a HTM62 S2 center. The rep let me really go to town switching to different movies and scenes along the line of what we're normally watching at home -- demoing with Arrival was particularly illuminating in the comparison. I realized with the type of content we watch I much preferred the sound I was getting from those B&Ws than the 9020's or 40's.

I don’t see 683 on their site but I see the 684. It’s your money and I hope you’re happy with them. What are gonna do for bass?


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I don’t see 683 on their site but I see the 684. It’s your money and I hope you’re happy with them. What are gonna do for bass?


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Here are the 683's http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/683.html

Right now I've got the the old ProSub 600 in place -- I'm going to get into some testing this weekend with my current def tech sub and satellites as the rest of my setup with the new towers and center. Initial testing (granted it was at 1 in the morning after setup and wiring) was pretty awesome -- I need to really be able to dig in and start playing with calibration to see if further upgrades are warranted.
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Based upon the information provided, I would recommend returning the SuperCube 4000 if you can. The powered woofers in your 9060's are more capable than the 8" in the SC4000.


While I'm a fan of Def Tech's towers, their subs perform poorly in comparison to others costing half as much.


What is it you find lacking with music? What integration steps have you taken? What settings are you using to listen to music in your AVR? With this information it might be possible to improve the sound you are currently getting, but the SuperCube is clearly a weak link in your system.
Here is the room and set-up. Thanks for taking a look. To me the center channel is the weak link. If I don't keep the gain really low the bass sent to it will muffle the speaker like it is blown. The bass is overpowering so I have the bass knobs on the towers turned almost completely down. Treble is good and midrange seems to be what is lacking. It is just soooo much bass lol.

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Ok, here is the video of my room

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Ok, here is the video of my room
You have a really nice setup there. I am by no means an expert and I'm sure other people on this forum will have a lot of input for you, but there are a few things that I can definitely recommend based on my experience.

Listening to music by streaming it to your receiver over bluetooth is pretty bad quality. You will definitely notice an increase in fidelity if you stream directly from a service (like Spotify) through your receiver. I know that Yamaha supports many services like Spotify, Tidal, Pandora, etc. If you use any of those streaming services to send music directly to the receiver, the sound quality will be much improved. Obviously, disc-based audio will be better, but direct streaming is a significant improvement over bluetooth.

Also, it seems that your subwoofer crossover frequency is set a bit high. I keep mine around 80Hz, and I think your front speakers are capable of much lower frequencies. I would recommend going lower than your current settings.

I also generally listen to music in simple 2ch stereo without any surround processing, but that is just my preference. So I would have my Yamaha in "Straight" mode. Some people also use Pure Direct mode for music, but that takes out the bass management which I tend to like for music.

As far as too much bass, maybe your sub volume is too high?

Anyway, good luck. I hope you get everything sounding great.
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