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From my observations dt went more for profit by minimizing size and weight. My 3000s and 7000s are absolutely huge and heavy for even two people. They are built to last as many people still have bp2000s in their system. My advice for you is to try and listen to a speaker with the 6.5 driver. 2000’s, 3000, and 7000s. I had some of their speakers with the 5” driver and while they are good the 6.5 is better.
Keeper I have a friend who runs the 7000's and the 3000 center and they are fantastic,spacious, authority, and clarity and that's what I get with my 8060's and 7006's just not as Grand a scale, but I got none of that from the 9080's
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Keeper I have a friend who runs the 7000's and the 3000 center and they are fantastic,spacious, authority, and clarity and that's what I get with my 8060's and 7006's just not as Grand a scale, but I got none of that from the 9080's
Yeah I don’t know. I’ve only heard them once and they didn’t impress me all that much. Plenty of good deals in the used market for older dt speakers.
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I have heard the BP9080’s a handful of times at BB. I thought they sounded pretty good and certainly better than my little 9020’s, but not nearly as good as the BP 30’s I just picked up IMO.
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Yeah I don’t know. I’ve only heard them once and they didn’t impress me all that much. Plenty of good deals in the used market for older dt speakers.
I'm with you there man, I also listened to quite a few subs yesterday, I don't get the SVS hype.🤔
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I'm with you there man, I also listened to quite a few subs yesterday, I don't get the SVS hype.🤔
Svs is good but you can do better for the $. I have a PSA 1801 I like. Might go diy one of these days.
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Svs is good but you can do better for the $. I have a PSA 1801 I like. Might go diy one of these days.
I've thought about that too,I built tons of enclosures in my car audio competition days🤓

The last shop I was at is a Golden Ear dealer and I listened to some Triton's, and I heard the clarity and depth again that I hear from the 7 and even 8 series BP speakers, the 9000 series imo sounds clouded and has a manufactured sound,alsmot a dull tinny sound. That's why I brought up the Sandy Gross question,I notice a difference.
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From my observations dt went more for profit by minimizing size and weight. My 3000s and 7000s are absolutely huge and heavy for even two people. They are built to last as many people still have bp2000s in their system. My advice for you is to try and listen to a speaker with the 6.5 driver. 2000’s, 3000, and 7000s. I had some of their speakers with the 5” driver and while they are good the 6.5 is better.
Interesting, I came here to ask how the BP7002's compare to the BP9080's because I had thought about upgrading.

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Interesting, I came here to ask how the BP7002's compare to the BP9080's because I had thought about upgrading.
I had the BP7002s and they were amazing. Great clarity, the tweeter was very nice I thought. Powerful speakers for sure.

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I've thought about that too,I built tons of enclosures in my car audio competition days🤓

The last shop I was at is a Golden Ear dealer and I listened to some Triton's, and I heard the clarity and depth again that I hear from the 7 and even 8 series BP speakers, the 9000 series imo sounds clouded and has a manufactured sound,alsmot a dull tinny sound. That's why I brought up the Sandy Gross question,I notice a difference.
Have you heard the demand speakers? Not many people talk about them.
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Interesting, I came here to ask how the BP7002's compare to the BP9080's because I had thought about upgrading.
I never heArd the 7002s. I do know you can get a pair on the used market for under $700.
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Have you heard the demand speakers? Not many people talk about them.
Yeah I don't get it. There is no buzz about them. On Crutchfield there is only 1 or 2 reviews and they have been out for a while now.

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Have you heard the demand speakers? Not many people talk about them.
No I haven't but I will take a look.Thanks
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Yeah I don't get it. There is no buzz about them. On Crutchfield there is only 1 or 2 reviews and they have been out for a while now.

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Best used market for def tech I've seen in a while is Dallas and Houston, there is a pair up in Tulsa right now. And yeah hetfield I've heard them and imo they sound great.
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I had the BP7002s and they were amazing. Great clarity, the tweeter was very nice I thought. Powerful speakers for sure.

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Thanks, I have those now and agree - how do they compare to the newer 9080’s?
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I have never heard the 7000 series but the reason they probably sound better is they have the same 3 drivers on the front as well as the back.They also played at the same level all around.

The 8000 and 9000 series loose a mid driver on the rear and the drivers are 6 DB down on the back compared to the front.

I have owned the 8060 towers and now the 9060's.I can say they are close in performance but I'd give the edge to the 9060's.They have a tighter louder bass response and the highs seem cleaner.

The 9060 towers sound great through an AVR with speaker wire only but in my journey I've gone from a pioneer elite to a marantz 1607 slim on my towers and was never really happy.

I then began looking at separates.I run my towers strictly 2 channel so I ended up getting an emotiva PT-100 pre amp and a crown XLS 1002 power amp.Without going into a ton of detail I am now getting the sound from my towers I've been looking for.

Crystal clear highs and authoritave bass.I run LFE to my towers and have a 125hz high pass set on my crown.

If you are not impressed with the 8000 or 9000 series I'm 99% sure its either a placement or settings issue.These towers need a lot of time with placement and setup but when you get it right you WILL be impressed.

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I have never heard the 7000 series but the reason they probably sound better is they have the same 3 drivers on the front as well as the back.They also played at the same level all around.

The 8000 and 9000 series loose a mid driver on the rear and the drivers are 6 DB down on the back compared to the front.

I have owned the 8060 towers and now the 9060's.I can say they are close in performance but I'd give the edge to the 9060's.They have a tighter louder bass response and the highs seem cleaner.

The 9060 towers sound great through an AVR with speaker wire only but in my journey I've gone from a pioneer elite to a marantz 1607 slim on my towers and was never really happy.

I then began looking at separates.I run my towers strictly 2 channel so I ended up getting an emotiva PT-100 pre amp and a crown XLS 1002 power amp.Without going into a ton of detail I am now getting the sound from my towers I've been looking for.

Crystal clear highs and authoritave bass.I run LFE to my towers and have a 125hz high pass set on my crown.

If you are not impressed with the 8000 or 9000 series I'm 99% sure its either a placement or settings issue.These towers need a lot of time with placement and setup but when you get it right you WILL be impressed.

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Thanks for that feedback, very helpful. I'm still running a 94txh Elite which is 980 watts total and always felt my system was under-driven; maybe I start with a new AVR. Never considered the pre-amp/power amp route. I'm still happy with the sound of the 7002s, just thought maybe the 9080s would be a marked improvement after a decade.

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I have heard the BP9080’s a handful of times at BB. I thought they sounded pretty good and certainly better than my little 9020’s, but not nearly as good as the BP 30’s I just picked up IMO.
Yeah those 30s are something else. I had them for many years in my theater. No complaints but after many years I wanted to try the supertowers. The 30s had to be the best bargain in ht speakers for many years. I paid full msrp many years ago and then acquired a nice set of used 30s. You really got a great deal on them. Do you like your clr3000?
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I have never heard the 7000 series but the reason they probably sound better is they have the same 3 drivers on the front as well as the back.They also played at the same level all around.

The 8000 and 9000 series loose a mid driver on the rear and the drivers are 6 DB down on the back compared to the front.

I have owned the 8060 towers and now the 9060's.I can say they are close in performance but I'd give the edge to the 9060's.They have a tighter louder bass response and the highs seem cleaner.

The 9060 towers sound great through an AVR with speaker wire only but in my journey I've gone from a pioneer elite to a marantz 1607 slim on my towers and was never really happy.

I then began looking at separates.I run my towers strictly 2 channel so I ended up getting an emotiva PT-100 pre amp and a crown XLS 1002 power amp.Without going into a ton of detail I am now getting the sound from my towers I've been looking for.

Crystal clear highs and authoritave bass.I run LFE to my towers and have a 125hz high pass set on my crown.

If you are not impressed with the 8000 or 9000 series I'm 99% sure its either a placement or settings issue.These towers need a lot of time with placement and setup but when you get it right you WILL be impressed.

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That is good to hear on the 9060's and I've been toying with the idea of separates,I do 80% music alot of it being 5 chan stereo.

And it has to be dealer placement and setting related on the 9080's I have listened to,the reviews on them are for the most part positive.
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Yeah those 30s are something else. I had them for many years in my theater. No complaints but after many years I wanted to try the supertowers. The 30s had to be the best bargain in ht speakers for many years. I paid full msrp many years ago and then acquired a nice set of used 30s. You really got a great deal on them. Do you like your clr3000?
I love it! It sounds a ton better and handles close to reference volume much better than the CS9040. Big surprise there. Still trying to figure out what the best way to run It and the 30’s is. I originally had all my bed layer speakers set to Large, but there was some oomph missing from my sub so I set everything to small and the oomph was back so may just stick with that. Maybe you have some recommendations since you had them for so long? Although my hands are tied a bit with my AVR(Pioneer Elite SC95) because of the lack of freedom you have in speaker setup. I can’t individually set the crossover and speaker size. I want a new receiver and I’m trying to hold out for an Emotiva RMC-1, but I may jump ship to the new Denon 8500 instead.
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I love it! It sounds a ton better and handles close to reference volume much better than the CS9040. Big surprise there. Still trying to figure out what the best way to run It and the 30’s is. I originally had all my bed layer speakers set to Large, but there was some oomph missing from my sub so I set everything to small and the oomph was back so may just stick with that. Maybe you have some recommendations since you had them for so long? Although my hands are tied a bit with my AVR(Pioneer Elite SC95) because of the lack of freedom you have in speaker setup. I can’t individually set the crossover and speaker size. I want a new receiver and I’m trying to hold out for an Emotiva RMC-1, but I may jump ship to the new Denon 8500 instead.
I always set my Bp30s at small and 80. I’d probably experiment with the clr3000 set to large and maybe something like 40 but it sounds like your avr can’t do that.
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I always set my Bp30s at small and 80. I’d probably experiment with the clr3000 set to large and maybe something like 40 but it sounds like your avr can’t do that.
The only way to set any other speaker to large is if you set the mains to large. It’s a bit of a bummer, but it all still sounds pretty awesome in my little room. Now I need 6.5” drivers in the back and on the sides and I’ll be set! 🙂
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The only way to set any other speaker to large is if you set the mains to large. It’s a bit of a bummer, but it all still sounds pretty awesome in my little room. Now I need 6.5” drivers in the back and on the sides and I’ll be set! 🙂
Small w/ 40Hz is so similar to large, it may give you the best of both worlds.
If nof, just change the crossover incrementally to get it the best you can.

As far as the other speakers, the 6.5" driver models are:
CLR2000's
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The only way to set any other speaker to large is if you set the mains to large. It’s a bit of a bummer, but it all still sounds pretty awesome in my little room. Now I need 6.5” drivers in the back and on the sides and I’ll be set! 🙂
When I had my Bp30s I used bpx for surrounds and rears and they sounded fine. Bpvx are better and match perfectly though.
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I have the following setup

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My rears seem to be going out. What would be a good replacement? Can I also get new drivers?

I would like replace center with CLR 3000 but no luck finding one.
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My rears seem to be going out. What would be a good replacement? Can I also get new drivers?

I would like replace center with CLR 3000 but no luck finding one.
You may be able to get replacements but call dt to find out. Bpvx would be better and match your 2000s. Also, the clr2000 is a nice speaker and would also match your 2000s in case you don’t find a clr3000. Nice system by the way. Also, for rears you have lots of options. Since you use the bp7002 for surrounds you probably should keep the 6.5 driver up front and 5.25 driver surrounds and back. My recommendation in that case would be bpx, clr2002s. I used to mix the drivers until I went all 6.5. They sound good together but I always kept them separate front/ back.

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Have you heard the demand speakers? Not many people talk about them.
Listened to all 3 versions at a Best Buy when I was grabbing my BP9020's, was very underwhelmed by them especially for how much they cost.

The SM series are much better IMO, DT should've stuck with them rather than trying to fix what wasn't broken, well at least for the SM45's and SM65's. I love my SM45's, best $200 I ever spent, I might need to grab another pair before they disappear.

Too bad I can't find any SM65's, those things are fantastic.
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Have you heard the demand speakers? Not many people talk about them.
Listened to all 3 versions at a Best Buy when I was grabbing my BP9020's, was very underwhelmed by them especially for how much they cost.

The SM series are much better IMO, DT should've stuck with them rather than trying to fix what wasn't broken, well at least for the SM45's and SM65's. I love my SM45's, best $200 I ever spent, I might need to grab another pair before they disappear.

Too bad I can't find any SM65's, those things are fantastic.
Maybe demand wasn’t the best name for this series of speakers. Still wishing they would come out with an anniversary 6.5 driver series. Update all speakers in that line including bpvx. Now that I can afford them I’d wait in line for them.
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My rears seem to be going out. What would be a good replacement? Can I also get new drivers?

I would like replace center with CLR 3000 but no luck finding one.
You shouldn't have any trouble finding the 5.25" drivers from DefTech to repair you're BPX's, but if not, I'd look for another set used, unless you wanted to upgrade and search for BPVX or BPVX/P's.
While SM350's would also match up perfectly with the 5.25's in your 7002's, I'm afraid the change to a mono-pole may not be appealing to you after having bi-poles for so long.

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I'm mostly a 2 channel music guy, but all this talk of upgrading surrounds is causing my upgraditis to flair up. The same guy selling the CLR2002 is selling a pair of BP-2X also. Since I'm agreeing to downsize the CLR2000 to the 2002, I figure I have some negotiation leverage to upgrade our surrounds if it would be a significant improvement over my current PM1000's. I have to position my surrounds very close to my MLP (left and right of my couch) instead of the recommended spacing and elevation. What difference in sound could I expect from the BP's?

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You may be able to get replacements but call dt to find out. Bpvx would be better and match your 2000s. Also, the clr2000 is a nice speaker and would also match your 2000s in case you don’t find a clr3000. Nice system by the way. Also, for rears you have lots of options. Since you use the bp7002 for surrounds you probably should keep the 6.5 driver up front and 5.25 driver surrounds and back. My recommendation in that case would be bpx, clr2002s. I used to mix the drivers until I went all 6.5. They sound good together but I always kept them separate front/ back.
+1 on calling Def Tech. They will likely send you what you need for free or next to it.

5.1: Power - Denon 4308ci, Fronts - Def Tech BP9040's, Center - Def Tech CLR 2000, Surrounds - Def Tech PM1000's, Sub's - Rythmik E15HP x2, Display - Panasonic TC-55AS530U, TT - Rega Planar 2 w/ Dynavector 10x5
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