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I think you're right I'll keep it simple. If I go with the SR9040s or 9080s on the wall behind my couch, where should I mount them fro maximum surround effect?

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I have them setup on the sides, facing the listening position. They recommend 6' high (or about 3' above listening position with normal couch) but I think that was more with the previous standards for 5.1/7.1 listening where surrounds were more diffused and blended sounds.

With Atmos and DTS:X, it's generally recommended that you keep the base 5.1/7.1 on equal horizontal layer to better differentiate between height and base. I have them on 36" stands (the ones that come with the Demand D7 speakers).
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I have them setup on the sides, facing the listening position. They recommend 6' high (or about 3' above listening position with normal couch) but that was more with the previous standards for 5.7/7.1 listening where surrounds were more diffused and blended sounds.

With Atmos and DTS:X, it's generally recommended that you keep the base 5.1/7.1 on equal horizontal layer to better differentiate between height and base. I have them on 36" stands (the ones that come with the Demand D7 speakers).
Great thanks. From the diagram you provided it looks like they can be set up both as rear surrounds or side surrounds. Would there be any benefit from getting an additional pair of SR9080s and using four of them total, two on the back wall above the couch as rears and two on the side walls as sides? Or would that be overkill for my space?
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Great thanks. From the diagram you provided it looks like they can be set up both as rear surrounds or side surrounds. Would there be any benefit from getting an additional pair of SR9080s and using four of them total, two on the back wall above the couch as rears and two on the side walls as sides? Or would that be overkill for my space?
I would always say it's never overkill

But in reality, it probably is for your setup or a normal living room setup. You can always add them later if you feel you need more surround. I have 5.1.4 Atmost setup in a normal/small living room and don't feel like i'm missing anything; fully enveloped in sound. If I had a bigger place or an actual dedicated theater room and speakers more spread out, I would feel the urge to go 7.1.4. I think it's because of their bipolar nature, the sr9040/9080s push sound in front and behind you already...

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I would always say it's never overkill

But in reality, it probably is for your setup or a normal living room setup. You can always add them later if you feel you need more surround. I have 5.1.4 Atmost setup in a normal/small living room and don't feel like i'm missing anything; fully enveloped in sound. If I had a bigger place and speakers more spread out, I might feel the urge to go 7.1.4. I think it's because of their bipolar nature, the sr9040/9080s push sound in front and behind you already...
Got you. one last question: if, instead of using the two extra SR9080s as sides I would still monut them up high to the sides and use them as a second set of Atmos heights? So I would have the Atmos modules from the BP9080s and then the SRs complimenting those.

Would that work?

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Got you. one last question: if, instead of using the two extra SR9080s as sides I would still monut them up high to the sides and use them as a second set of Atmos heights? So I would have the Atmos modules from the BP9080s and then the SRs complimenting those.

Would that work?

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That should work, provided they aren't too wide or far off from the surrounds. Ideally you want at or within the same "zone" of the horizontal base layer.

Would the mounted surrounds be set as Top Middle, Top Rear, or Rear Height? Your front towers would be set to Front Height or Top Front, not sure how they recommend the A90's.

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That should work, provided they aren't too wide or far off from the surrounds. Ideally you want at or within the same "zone" of the horizontal base layer.

Would the mounted surrounds be set as Top Middle, Top Rear, or Rear Height? Your front towers would be set to Front Height or Top Front, not sure how they recommend the A90's.
I guess I would set the BP9080s as fronts, their Atmos modules as top heights, the first set of SR9080s as rear surrounds and the second set as top rears.
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I guess I would set the BP9080s as fronts, their Atmos modules as top heights, the first set of SR9080s as rear surrounds and the second set as top rears.
Bipole speakers are generally not recommended for Atmos/height effects. You'd probably be better off with a monopole speaker for Atmos. You could consider the ProMonitors if you want to keep it all DefTech as they have the same tweeter/woofer design as the 9000 series (those would also be an option for the surrounds depending on your preference). DefTech also makes in-ceiling speakers if you want to go that route.

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Bipole speakers are generally not recommended for Atmos/height effects. You'd probably be better off with a monopole speaker for Atmos. You could consider the ProMonitors if you want to keep it all DefTech as they have the same tweeter/woofer design as the 9000 series (those would also be an option for the surrounds depending on your preference). DefTech also makes in-ceiling speakers if you want to go that route.
Thanks. I think I'll keep it simple. BP9080 + CS9080 fronts, SR9080 rears for now. Later on I might add a pair of BP9020s for surrounds. And if I move and can do in ceilings one day of course i will.
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Thanks. I think I'll keep it simple. BP9080 + CS9080 fronts, SR9080 rears for now. Later on I might add a pair of BP9020s for surrounds. And if I move and can do in ceilings one day of course i will.
Ok so another question: through some happy accident I'm ending up with a pair of both SR9080s and some SR9040s.

I could use the 9080s and sell the 9040s, but the curious part of me is wondering, can I use both in my space? As a reminder I'm installing BP9080s/CS9080 fronts, and I have the couch against my wall.

Just wanna see if there's any benefit in utilizing both surround pairs or not in my situation.

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Ok so another question: through some happy accident I'm ending up with a pair of both SR9080s and some SR9040s.

I could use the 9080s and sell the 9040s, but the curious part of me is wondering, can I use both in my space? As a reminder I'm installing BP9080s/CS9080 fronts, and I have the couch against my wall.

Just wanna see if there's any benefit in utilizing both surround pairs or not in my situation.

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Having your primary listening position against a back wall is a challenge. Not just for surrounds, but especially for a flat low frequency response.


Since you have both it wont hurt to try, but I'd be very skeptical that you will enjoy running a 7.1 with both so close to you.


I do not run atmos as 90% of my listening is for music, but I did run 5.1 and 7.1 for a while. When running 7 channels, I had PM1000's as side surrounds and PM800's for rears. In my case I had to mount the PM800's high and at uneven distances behind me. After much experimentation, I determined the 6/7 channels were not adding much. So I sold them and "downgraded" back to 5.1. I do not feel I'm missing anything on the occasions I do watch a movie with a dynamic sound track.


Of course I am missing a bunch, but I was not getting it with the added rear channels due to my space circumstances anyhow. So I didn't, and still don't, know what I was missing. Ignorance is bliss at times.


It sounds to me like you might be in a similar situation given your constraints. I'm actually considering removing my PM1000's as rears and going 3.1 because the rears have to be on stands, very nearfield, on each side of the couch. Consequently, the sweet spot is very small and sitting on either end of the couch is too close to one speaker or the other. This could be an ideal case for BP surrounds. At least some others have suggested this would be a good application of them. I don't know from personal experience, but while I would like to try some BP surrounds, I'm just as apt to sell the PM1000's and dial back further to 3.1.


Given my set up, there is little drop off from 5.1 to 3.1 with the experimentation I've done. YMMV of course.


In your situation, I'd be more concerned about the low frequencies having nulls due to the couch on the back wall. Can you move it forward a foot or two?

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Thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I can move the couch just a smidge but not much. I think you're right I'll go for simple old 5.1.2 and call it a day. Guess I'm overthinking things too much
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Thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I can move the couch just a smidge but not much. I think you're right I'll go for simple old 5.1.2 and call it a day. Guess I'm overthinking things too much

It never hertz to try.

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It never hertz to try.
Hehe see what you did there
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Hey guys, I just placed the order for the BP9080x towers. Here in India everything is expensive, the towers alone are $5000. Luckily, I’ve had family traveling from America to India and I’ve sourced the rest of the DefTech speakers from there.

So far this is my equipment for a 7.1.4 set up

Marantz 8012 receiver
Old McIntosh sub
CS9080 center
2x SR9080 for surrounds
2x SR9040 for rear left and right
4x Micca 8 C for Atmos

I haven’t got to set up yet and will do that next month once my new place is ready. Looking forward to it and I’ll need help from you guys with how this LFE works.

Stoked!
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Hi everyone

finally installed my surround setup. Very happy with the sound and everything, except one thing:

on one of my BP9080s, I get the dreaded pop sound when the subwoofers wake up from sleep when starting a movie.

It only happens on one of them, and I searched the thread and saw a couple of other people have experienced this, but found no solution.

Before i start calling Def Tech, I wanted to check if anyone had ever solved this one way or another.

Thanks!
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Hi everyone

finally installed my surround setup. Very happy with the sound and everything, except one thing:

on one of my BP9080s, I get the dreaded pop sound when the subwoofers wake up from sleep when starting a movie.

It only happens on one of them, and I searched the thread and saw a couple of other people have experienced this, but found no solution.

Before i start calling Def Tech, I wanted to check if anyone had ever solved this one way or another.

Thanks!
I had the same popping noise accompanied by the light not coming on, on one of my 9020’s in my bedroom. Ended up calling Def Tech and they sent me a replacement amp. It solved both problems.

Hope this helps.
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I had the same popping noise accompanied by the light not coming on, on one of my 9020’s in my bedroom. Ended up calling Def Tech and they sent me a replacement amp. It solved both problems.

Hope this helps.
Ok thanks for the info. Is the amp easy to replace by yourself?
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Ok thanks for the info. Is the amp easy to replace by yourself?
I didn’t find it overly difficult. Just make sure you remember what’s plugged in to what. I ended up removing the old one then running to dinner and when I came back to finish it I forgot what went where and it took me a bit to figure it out. Lol.
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I didn’t find it overly difficult. Just make sure you remember what’s plugged in to what. I ended up removing the old one then running to dinner and when I came back to finish it I forgot what went where and it took me a bit to figure it out. Lol.
Got you. What about the fabric cover? Isn't that difficult to remove/put back?
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Got you. What about the fabric cover? Isn't that difficult to remove/put back?
Nah. It’s pretty easy.
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Nah. It’s pretty easy.
Thanks I'll get in touch with def tech right away.
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finally installed my surround setup. Very happy with the sound and everything, except one thing:



on one of my BP9080s, I get the dreaded pop sound when the subwoofers wake up from sleep when starting a movie.



It only happens on one of them, and I searched the thread and saw a couple of other people have experienced this, but found no solution.



Before i start calling Def Tech, I wanted to check if anyone had ever solved this one way or another.



Thanks!
For me, the popping sound happened only when I had the LED light off for some reason. When I had it on, it didn't pop. No idea if it's coincidence.

Anyway, I like having the light on because i know when my woofer isn't active. It started going out recently and I called DT. They shipped a new amp.

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For me, the popping sound happened only when I had the LED light off for some reason. When I had it on, it didn't pop. No idea if it's coincidence.

Anyway, I like having the light on because i know when my woofer isn't active. It started going out recently and I called DT. They shipped a new amp.
Good info thanks. I have the lights on so that isn't the cause. I'll talk to Def Tech see what they say...
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I have eight ProMonitor 80 speakers and 16 ProMonitor 60 speakers and have lost several of the Definitive Technology logos that snap into the speaker grills.


I checked with Definitive Technology and they no have them due to age, technological advances or business decisions.


Does anyone know where I might obtain a few?


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I scored two BPVX (man they are huge) and most importantly CLR 3000. However one of the end caps of CLR 3000 is moving slightly. Anybody knows if the end caps are removable and how to do it?
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The end caps are absolutely removable - just pull them out. That's how you undo the sock. They will shift a bit but if it feels loose just push it back in.
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Yep they’re monsters! I have four of them as surrounds and backs along with a CLR 3000 and BP-2000tl’s up front. You’re gonna love em.
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Yep they’re monsters! I have four of them as surrounds and backs along with a CLR 3000 and BP-2000tl’s up front. You’re gonna love em.
I am in the apartment style (one floor) condo. The wife doesn't even like PM600 on stands as surrounds in the family room. Would probably have to sale the PBVX. The CLR 3000 is too big (coming from Procenter 1000 on top of TV. As of now I got it with no 1/8" to spare into entertainment center in spare 11x13 bedroom. This thing creates unbelievable sound pressure in such small room, I can feel deep man voices in my chest. The're SM 45's and Prosub 1000 in the room.
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