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Had a great experience with Chet. He mailed me a new amp for my 7004 and after a quick swap my powered sub is back up and running.

Now I have to order one for the other 7004 because there is clearly a difference.

I guess after 10 years of them being enjoyed I wore out the amps.

For 90 bucks I really cant complain if it gets more years of life out of these wonderful speakers.
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Has anyone done a subwoofer upgrade in a BP2000? The 15s in there really roll off at 30 hz pretty hard. Seems like it would be pretty straight forward to put in something a bit more robust...

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Ive got a CLR 2500 center (5.25 drivers) and BP2000 Towers (6.5 drivers). I don't have any problems with the sound. It all blends well. That being said... one day I do plan to find a CLR 3000 center!

I have had a 2500 that has been paired with my BP7001s for many years. I decided to upgrade to the CLR 3000 once I located a 3000 in good condition (I also learned there are two versions of the CLR 3000 and landed a good condition of the 3000 that I was looking for). Before I decided to sell my 2500, just for kicks I decided to run the 3000 and 2500 in parallel with the center channel signal being split but the speakers amplified separately so as to not mess with the impedance. So I have an old receiver amplifying my CLR 2500 and atmos speakers and my main AVR amplifying my BP7001s and CLR 3000. I enjoyed the side by side center channel arrangement so much I just decided to keep it permanent.

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here are pics of the two versions of the CLR 3000 in case anyone needs some evidence.






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The clr2500's make excellent Atmos speakers...there's lots of low end frequencies in the Atmos channels. They do an amazing job pulling those frequencies out. I used to use 4 of them in my theater..
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here are pics of the two versions of the CLR 3000 in case anyone needs some evidence.





The bottom is the newer CLR with upgraded drivers that match the BP7000/01s. The previous model matches the BP3000s.
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Has anyone done a subwoofer upgrade in a BP2000? The 15s in there really roll off at 30 hz pretty hard. Seems like it would be pretty straight forward to put in something a bit more robust...
Probably not a good idea.
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Has anyone done a subwoofer upgrade in a BP2000? The 15s in there really roll off at 30 hz pretty hard. Seems like it would be pretty straight forward to put in something a bit more robust...
I have a pair of the 9080 towers and I would recommend using that money and buy a separate subwoofer. I ran the 9080 full range and they are NOT a true subwoofer. I use 2 JL Audio F113 subs and there is no comparison. End of story! If you want true LOW end use as good subwoofer as you can afford. That way you can place it in your room where it can be used to your advantage.
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Probably not a good idea.
What matters most here is making sure whatever driver you use is compatible with the on board amp. I'm sure a call to Def Tech support would provide the answer you need.


My guess is, it will be not easy to find a compatible driver that will be much of an upgrade. Unless the Dayton UL15 would work with that amp. But that I do not know. I'd call Chet.

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Had a great experience with Chet. He mailed me a new amp for my 7004 and after a quick swap my powered sub is back up and running.

Now I have to order one for the other 7004 because there is clearly a difference.

I guess after 10 years of them being enjoyed I wore out the amps.

For 90 bucks I really cant complain if it gets more years of life out of these wonderful speakers.





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Anyone know what the internal crossover is between the Tweeter and Mid on the 9060 towers?

I'm experimenting with the MRC on/off that Audyssey recommends.

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Anyone know what the internal crossover is between the Tweeter and Mid on the 9060 towers?

I'm experimenting with the MRC on/off that Audyssey recommends.

No sorry. This sounds like a question for Chet. Please post the answer you get.

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Hello,

I just got my CLR 3000 Center channel. Thank you to WOKNROX for a great deal on an impeccably kept piece of equipment. It is a beautiful monster! It is replacing my Mythos 9 and wow what a difference. The sound is deeper, fuller, with more depth and dialogue is crisp and clear at all volumes.

I am still playing around with the sub woofer settings (I am not using the LFE) so if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to balance it with my HSU 15" sub and the rest of my system I would appreciate some input.

Also what is the deal with bi-wiring? If I run two wires from the AVR to the center channel and remove one of the jumpers and replace it with wires how does that change the sound?

Thanks
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I just got my CLR 3000 Center channel. Thank you to WOKNROX for a great deal on an impeccably kept piece of equipment. It is a beautiful monster! It is replacing my Mythos 9 and wow what a difference. The sound is deeper, fuller, with more depth and dialogue is crisp and clear at all volumes.



I am still playing around with the sub woofer settings (I am not using the LFE) so if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to balance it with my HSU 15" sub and the rest of my system I would appreciate some input.



Also what is the deal with bi-wiring? If I run two wires from the AVR to the center channel and remove one of the jumpers and replace it with wires how does that change the sound?



Thanks

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I also have the HSU vtf15, and I run my towers as small with 80hz crossover. I prefer the bass management that way for a variety of reasons. Large is also good to try out (I do that for music) and send only LFE to subwoofer (not to towers).
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Hello,

I just got my CLR 3000 Center channel. Thank you to WOKNROX for a great deal on an impeccably kept piece of equipment. It is a beautiful monster! It is replacing my Mythos 9 and wow what a difference. The sound is deeper, fuller, with more depth and dialogue is crisp and clear at all volumes.

I am still playing around with the sub woofer settings (I am not using the LFE) so if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to balance it with my HSU 15" sub and the rest of my system I would appreciate some input.

Also what is the deal with bi-wiring? If I run two wires from the AVR to the center channel and remove one of the jumpers and replace it with wires how does that change the sound?

Thanks
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In my experience with my 3000, as the crossover isn't a 'brick wall' for the bass frequencies but rather the start of the rolloff I crossed it at 60 or so and played with the sub amp gain on the back to tune to taste. Crossing it over also ensures that you're sending proper information to your overall sub and that whatever you want out of your center is for 'extra' oomph.

I personally wouldn't bother with bi-wiring. I'd be surprised if you heard an audible difference.
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^^^^^^

Ditto with Bi wiring. I went thru that phase with my two channel system when I had Martin logan electrostatic speakers. Center channels ARE NOT designed to replicate low end. Concentrate on clear dialogue and "natural sounding" voices. The subwoofer is specifically designed to reproduce low end! I also used a 60HZ crossover on my center.
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Hello,

I just got my CLR 3000 Center channel. Thank you to WOKNROX for a great deal on an impeccably kept piece of equipment. It is a beautiful monster! It is replacing my Mythos 9 and wow what a difference. The sound is deeper, fuller, with more depth and dialogue is crisp and clear at all volumes.

I am still playing around with the sub woofer settings (I am not using the LFE) so if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to balance it with my HSU 15" sub and the rest of my system I would appreciate some input.

Also what is the deal with bi-wiring? If I run two wires from the AVR to the center channel and remove one of the jumpers and replace it with wires how does that change the sound?

Thanks
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I'm glad to hear the it arrived safe and sound and that you are happy with it. That truly is a beautiful speaker both sounding and condition.
As for set up I'd cross it over at 60hz and set the knob for the woofer at 10:30-11ish like you have it.
From there you'll just need to play around with it to fine tune to your liking.

It was a pleasure dealing with you you have my # so please let me know if you have any questions or need anything else in the future.

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Hey Def Tech Owners!

Just wanted to stop by and give a piece of advice to any of you who own the BP towers. In my case, the BP2000TLs.

I previously had them with the built-in subwoofers facing inward. I swapped the left and right speakers so now the two subwoofers are facing outward.

BUT the biggest difference I made, as was suggested by RayGuy on these forums, is I moved them inward, to the left and right of the TV at a 0 degree angle, versus cramped up in the two corners at a 45 degree angle. Holy smokes batman- when people say these need to breathe, I will never question that ever again. I had no idea how true of a statement that was. They sound night and day better than before. For reference, here is what my room looks like and their new positions to the left and right of the TV:



So when people say these towers need to BREATHE, believe it.

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Have a question for fellow Definitive owners.

I have had a combo of Mythos STS towers, Ten center, Gem XL surrounds and a Rythmik sub in a 5.1 setup for quite a while.

About to do a full 4k tv/receiver upgrade, and was thinking about upgrading to Atmos at the same time. I can't install ceiling mounted speakers so I was wondering if anyone has up-firing speakers paired with their STS setup that they like. I thought about a set of basic Gems but they aren't shaped to be laid down facing upward.
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I'm looking for up to three Definitive Technology UIW BPZ/A speakers (the bigger version of the BP/A that has the 6.5" drivers). These were made from early 2000s until maybe around 2014 when they were clearanced out. Anyone have some to sell, or is anyone considering an upgrade to something else and would be willing to sell theirs? I've scoured Google, craigslist, eBay, and I have had no luck finding them.

I currently have a 6.1.2 system that uses 2 BP2000s, 1 C/L/R 2000, and 5 BPZ/A speakers (FHL, FHR, SL, SR, and SB) and I am looking to upgrade to a 15.2.6 system using the Denon AVR-8500H and would like to use more BPZ/A speakers for the additional speaker positions. Unfortunately, the cutout size of the BPZ/A is 7.3125" x 13.625" and that is larger than the flange of any other bipolar speaker that Definitive Technology currently sells (UIW RSS II, UIW RSS III, DI 5.5BPS). So changing out the speakers to a different DT bipolar speaker is not an option without lots of patch and paint work. I could always change out the BPZ/As to the DI 6.5 LCR speakers, but I love the way the Definitive Technology bipolar speakers make the soundfield sound so huge the room disappears. My room is 15' deep by 22' wide and has 12' ceilings. I am installing UIW RLS II for the SL, SR, SBL, and SBR, and would like to use BPZ/A speakers for FHL, FHR, TML, TMR, RHL, RHR, CH, and TS speaker positions: my existing 5 BPZ/A are already in position for FHL, FHR, RHL, RHR, and TS, so I would be adding 3 BPZ/A speakers for TML, TMR, and CH.

Does anyone have any leads on where I might find some UIW BPZ/A speakers? Or does anyone have any suggestions for changing out speakers that would work with my existing cutout sizes?

I am also looking for any opinions on replacing my BPZ/A bipolar speakers in any of those speaker positions with the DI 6.5 LCR speakers instead (i.e. do you think I would like it better with DT DI 6.5LCR directional speakers for the six Dolby Atmos speaker positions and/or the Auro-3D TS and CH speakers)?

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Hi, I have bp2000tl front L/R and using dedicated sub polk psw505 on my set up. I need help with audyssey xt32 auto set up, I like to use build in sub and dedicated sub on HT and built in sub only when listen to stereo music. I ran twice first without power in my build in sub and second with power in but the result still the same front L/R SMALL and crossover at 150hz. My receiver is denon avrx4000, TIA
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Hi, I have bp2000tl front L/R and using dedicated sub polk psw505 on my set up. I need help with audyssey xt32 auto set up, I like to use build in sub and dedicated sub on HT and built in sub only when listen to stereo music. I ran twice first without power in my build in sub and second with power in but the result still the same front L/R SMALL and crossover at 150hz. My receiver is denon avrx4000, TIA
Need to keep it plugged in. If it still registers as 150hz when plugged in, where is your dial knob set at on the back of towers? If it's too low, it might not be activating the woofer enough...I had that issue so I had to buy attenuators so I can turn it higher.

Does your AVR allow you to use separate settings for 2 channel? Mine adjusts automatically to "Large" so my separate subwoofer doesn't get used.
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Need to keep it plugged in. If it still registers as 150hz when plugged in, where is your dial knob set at on the back of towers? If it's too low, it might not be activating the woofer enough...I had that issue so I had to buy attenuators so I can turn it higher.

Does your AVR allow you to use separate settings for 2 channel? Mine adjusts automatically to "Large" so my separate subwoofer doesn't get used.
Thanks yes I set the dial knob at number 2 position maybe that is caused. I'm trying right now with dial knob all the way up. It is solved the problem, thanks again man.
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Hey guys, I have a question. I think the internal amp on one of my bp2000tl's is going bad. When I have the tower plugged in, I noticed the subwoofer continuously making a thumping noise. It is not very loud but loud enough to be heard in quiet scenes. It's just a steady "thump thump thump thump thump".... maybe 1.5 thumps per second. The loudness of the thumping is unaffected by turning the volume up or down, whether it is on the back of the tower or from the AVR dial. It also does not matter if I completely unplug the inputs after the thumping starts, it is there to stay.

Does anybody know what this could be or how I could test to figure out how to diagnose this? Right now I just have the right tower unpowered (unplugged) so I do not have to hear the thumping.

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Hey guys, I have a question. I think the internal amp on one of my bp2000tl's is going bad. When I have the tower plugged in, I noticed the subwoofer continuously making a thumping noise. It is not very loud but loud enough to be heard in quiet scenes. It's just a steady "thump thump thump thump thump".... maybe 1.5 thumps per second. The loudness of the thumping is unaffected by turning the volume up or down, whether it is on the back of the tower or from the AVR dial. It also does not matter if I completely unplug the inputs after the thumping starts, it is there to stay.

Does anybody know what this could be or how I could test to figure out how to diagnose this? Right now I just have the right tower unpowered (unplugged) so I do not have to hear the thumping.

Thanks in advance!
Sure sounds like an issue with the amp. I'd call Def Tech. They will know and be able to provide the solution.

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Hello, quick question. I sold my two sb-1000 subs and will be without subs for a few months. I re-configured audyssey and it is setting my front SM-55’s as large and full band, along with my center channel. Should I change this and set them to small and place the crossover at something like 40-50? No subs for the meantime.
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cs9060 vs cs9080?

Hi guys,

Got my theater room set-up. 17 X 21 X 9. Running Dual SVS SB16 Subs, 2 Def Tech BP9060 towers, CS9060 center, 2 DI 6.5LCR Rears, 4 DI 5.5BPS Surrounds and 4 Sonance Atmos speakers. The issue I am having is that the center seems to be lacking relative to everything else. I have adjusted all the receiver settings but still no help. Would stepping up to the cs9080 help this issue?

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Sure sounds like an issue with the amp. I'd call Def Tech. They will know and be able to provide the solution.

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Got my theater room set-up. 17 X 21 X 9. Running Dual SVS SB16 Subs, 2 Def Tech BP9060 towers, CS9060 center, 2 DI 6.5LCR Rears, 4 DI 5.5BPS Surrounds and 4 Sonance Atmos speakers. The issue I am having is that the center seems to be lacking relative to everything else. I have adjusted all the receiver settings but still no help. Would stepping up to the cs9080 help this issue?

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You have the correct center to match the rest of your system since it has the same size mids as your towers (4.5"). What do you mean by lacking? Does it just not get loud enough?

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You have the correct center to match the rest of your system since it has the same size mids as your towers (4.5"). What do you mean by lacking? Does it just not get loud enough?
Yes, The voice's just seem hard to hear/thin and not as full as the rest of the system. When I adjust the output it sounds a bit harsh. Is the subs overpowering the room? Ive already disabled the subs on the towers. I didn't know if the larger mids in the 9080 would help?
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