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Thank you for the feedback. Much appreciated. I was thinking that having adjustable subs would be helpful in this regard.

My only other question regarding this would be wether or not the bipolar nature of the speaker will be effected by the the lack of a sidewall on one side. I know the spacious imaging is due to backfiring speakers. Without some of that sidewall reinforcement I’m hoping I’m not loosing that ‘into space’ so to speak.

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Don't worry about not having that corner. The back wall is really what's important. My 8060's are on the long wall of my open floorplan living/dining room. The FR has about 3 feet to the nearest side wall, and the FL has about 25. They still fill up the room.
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Don't worry about not having that corner. The back wall is really what's important. My 8060's are on the long wall of my open floorplan living/dining room. The FR has about 3 feet to the nearest side wall, and the FL has about 25. They still fill up the room.
Thank you! That’s what I had hoped to hear. Looks like we have a similar room configuration.

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Just bumping my post. Just curious if def techs are ok in a scenario where the left front speaker has corner to play into and the right front speaker has only a back wall and no sidewall to play into. Anyone with experience who can comment would be appreciated.
I have a similar situation with my right front corner loaded. The bass gain knob does help to balance them out.


Sound stage is huge and awesome! So issues on that front.
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Just joined the DT club
3.0.2 system. (3.2.2 if you count the subs in the speakers)

What sub(s) do you guys use? Did you stick with DT? Also anyone have wireless surrounds and if show how well does it work?
I recommend avoiding DT subs. As stated, much better bang for the buck can be had from the ID sub players, Hsu, Rythmik, PSA are a few stand outs. I chose to go with two sealed Rythmiks as tight music is my top priority.


As an example, the SuperCube 8000 list for 1499 on Crutchfield right now. For about the same price you could get an FV15HP from Rythimk that would kill the SC8000 in extension, SPL, low distortion and flexibility of integration. It's not even remotely close.


I have no experience with wireless surrounds sorry.
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Just joined the DT club
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What sub(s) do you guys use? Did you stick with DT? Also anyone have wireless surrounds and if show how well does it work?
Duplicate post from above. Sorry.
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I recommend avoiding DT subs. As stated, much better bang for the buck can be had from the ID sub players, Hsu, Rythmik, PSA are a few stand outs. I chose to go with two sealed Rythmiks as tight music is my top priority.


As an example, the SuperCube 8000 list for 1499 on Crutchfield right now. For about the same price you could get an FV15HP from Rythimk that would kill the SC8000 in extension, SPL, low distortion and flexibility of integration. It's not even remotely close.


I have no experience with wireless surrounds sorry.
Yeah been hearling good thinks about the SVS Sub and Rythmik has caught my eye. Thanks for the advice. ill look at HSU and PSA also.
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Yeah been hearling good thinks about the SVS Sub and Rythmik has caught my eye. Thanks for the advice. ill look at HSU and PSA also.




Do yourself a huge favor and take a look at not only the PSA Official site you stop on over to the AVS PSA Sub forum as well as these folks are truly some of the most helpful on this site... Good luck. BTW Tom Vodhanel (the master mind behind PSA is the the "V" of SVS.
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I recommend avoiding DT subs. As stated, much better bang for the buck can be had from the ID sub players, Hsu, Rythmik, PSA are a few stand outs. I chose to go with two sealed Rythmiks as tight music is my top priority.


As an example, the SuperCube 8000 list for 1499 on Crutchfield right now. For about the same price you could get an FV15HP from Rythimk that would kill the SC8000 in extension, SPL, low distortion and flexibility of integration. It's not even remotely close.


I have no experience with wireless surrounds sorry.
I completely agree on the DT advice given here...

For that same money he could pick up 2 HSU VTF-MK5-HP's and have complete control of that room...
Plus it'll give home tons of flexibility with Sealed, 1 small port, 1 big port or 2 port for all kinds of setups (movies or music) with different extension needs.
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Two VTF 3 MK5's for ~$1500/1600 vs one SC8000.....hummm….would not take me long to think on that choice.


With a single one at half the price, but double the sound quality, that's a 4x improvement in my book.
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Definitely two subwoofers!!!

If you use two subs it will help smooth out the response in your room (the larger the room the better). Not necessarily more bass but tighter more controlled bass. Move them around the room for best location. I didn't like the Def Tech subs when I auditioned them, especially for the price they are placed at!
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Would these be appropriate for Atmos ceiling speakers? The part that worries me is the idea that they don't sound like they're coming from the ceiling. Isn't that the point of Atmos?

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Has anyone with the BP series towers, has your crossover ever failed? I had 1 driver replaced, put it back now the rest of the drivers dont work? My amp and subwoofer still work, just the all driver and tweeters.

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Has anyone with the BP series towers, has your crossover ever failed? I had 1 driver replaced, put it back now the rest of the drivers dont work? My amp and subwoofer still work, just the all driver and tweeters.

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What speaker exactly, I'm curious.
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What speaker exactly, I'm curious.
Bp8060, I called Def Tech up and they are sending me all new drivers and tweeters but wondering if it's the crossover that fried them or if that's even a possibility.

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Would these be appropriate for Atmos ceiling speakers? The part that worries me is the idea that they don't sound like they're coming from the ceiling. Isn't that the point of Atmos?

https://www.definitivetechnology.com...n=gmail.com#QA
Thise would be great Atmos speakers... very expensive but would work good.

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Has anyone with the BP series towers, has your crossover ever failed? I had 1 driver replaced, put it back now the rest of the drivers dont work? My amp and subwoofer still work, just the all driver and tweeters.

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Have to checked each drive & tweeters individually to see if they work on their own.?
Hooked them one at a time to a speaker wire from your reciever/amplifier....?

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Have to checked each drive & tweeters individually to see if they work on their own.?

Hooked them one at a time to a speaker wire from your reciever/amplifier....?
I was just doing that, all the drivers have the same sound really low cracking sound coming off them followed by popping. I want to test the crossover to make sure it wasn't the culprit but not sure how to go about it.

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Bp8060, I called Def Tech up and they are sending me all new drivers and tweeters but wondering if it's the crossover that fried them or if that's even a possibility.

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Oh wow that's nuts. How everything works out well. Next they should just send you new speakers.
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Oh wow that's nuts. How everything works out well. Next they should just send you new speakers.
Thankfully I still warranty under these

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Thise would be great Atmos speakers... very expensive but would work good.


Not too bad here

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Would these be appropriate for Atmos ceiling speakers? The part that worries me is the idea that they don't sound like they're coming from the ceiling. Isn't that the point of Atmos?

https://www.definitivetechnology.com...n=gmail.com#QA
Standard 6” or 8” down firing speakers is all you need. Add something like the Dynabox as an enclosure (backbox) to prevent sound transference to the floor above and/or because they appear to improve the sound.

The purpose of the one you posted seems more like a way to deal with unusual installation circumstances or an in ceiling install that sonically appears as a Front LRC speaker configuration. I agree with you, atmos is height...it’s not trying to appear like the sound is in your face.

Hope I’m reading this right in terms of your needs. Also, I just installed 4 monitor audio ceiling speakers according to Dolby specs.

Addendum: I just wanted to mention that the pinpointy in your face sound messes with the more “diffused height channel mix used to interact with other main speakers to actually make things pinpointy sounding” (to borrow a phrase). You just want something that goes below the 80hz typical crossover to the sub.

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Standard 6” or 8” down firing speakers is all you need. Add something like the Dynabox as an enclosure (backbox) to prevent sound transference to the floor above and/or because they appear to improve the sound.



The purpose of the one you posted seems more like a way to deal with unusual installation circumstances or an in ceiling install that sonically appears as a Front LRC speaker configuration. I agree with you, atmos is height...it’s not trying to appear like the sound is in your face.



Hope I’m reading this right in terms of your needs. Also, I just installed 4 monitor audio ceiling speakers according to Dolby specs.



Addendum: I just wanted to mention that the pinpointy in your face sound messes with the more “diffused height channel mix used to interact with other main speakers to actually make things pinpointy sounding” (to borrow a phrase). You just want something that goes below the 80hz typical crossover to the sub.
That’s helpful. Thank you! If I were to install Def Tech UIW RLS II for surround and rears, do you think it’s crucial I match brands on height speakers? If so, is there a Def Tech in ceiling down firing speaker that would best tonally match that?
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That’s helpful. Thank you! If I were to install Def Tech UIW RLS II for surround and rears, do you think it’s crucial I match brands on height speakers? If so, is there a Def Tech in ceiling down firing speaker that would best tonally match that?

Sure, use the DI6.5R or DI8R....
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Anyone own the Definitive Technology - SuperCube II 8" 1250-Watt Powered Subwoofer? I see on market place they being sold for under 3 bills. Only caught my eye due to the 14Hz - 200Hz range. Wondering it its worth the chance vs a new sub.


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Anyone own the Definitive Technology - SuperCube II 8" 1250-Watt Powered Subwoofer? I see on market place they being sold for under 3 bills. Only caught my eye due to the 14Hz - 200Hz range. Wondering it its worth the chance vs a new sub.


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Avoid and apply your money elsewhere right from the start.


While I don't have direct experience with that model, I did have the SC4000 for a bit which is very similar with an 8" driver and supposed 1200 watt amp, which I suspect is a peak rating not RMS. The FR rating is not a F3 point for an 8" woofer. It is less capable than the 10" drivers in your 9060's. I know the 8" drivers in my 9040's start to roll off around 32htz or so. So I suspect that would be closer to the real F3 point on this sub as well. Not that you couldn't do it, but this will complicate things with Audussey as it will want to EQ to the F3 point of the weakest sub, which would be the SCII vs the drivers in your 9060's.


The SC4000 was very bloomy in my experience and required constant adjusting of the volume & EQ settings (thank goodness for the remote cuz it needed it) due to some frequencies being bloated and others dropping off. Every source/content needed adjusting.


Up your budget and look into the entry level Hsu products or Monolith 10 when on sale. Then you can add a second one down the road as funds allow.
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As far as placement Atmos height speaker placement

You place them in positions 6 and 7 (both left and right) with this link it’s easy to see why the first in ceiling speakers you mentioned aren’t the right type based on this placement.
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You guys asking about subs. Here is some advice. I own 2 PSA1811 which work well in my room. I built a 15” ported sub for behind my seat. Building this model was extremely easy. All the cuts were made at Home Depot. You could probably build 4 of these and power them for about the same you would pay for one quality sub. As I said it was very easy and it sounds great. Below is the thread if anyone is interested.
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Hi all, I need advice for Def-tech UIW75 in wall speaker for center channel purpose placement. My tv is mounted over fire place, do you think is okay to install that speaker above tv? TIA
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Anyone using a Wireless setup on surrounds with there system? If so how did you do it and more importantly how does it sound?
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^ No. Not for surrounds, but I did just implement a wireless zone two pair of speakers running off of my main system.


I used this: https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/OAW4.html


It claims to send a signal 70ft with a direct line of site, which I would assume any surround speakers would have.


In my case, I'm sending the signal about 35-45' but it is going through one wall plus a wall of cabinets. Signal is mostly solid with occasional temporary interference. With a direct line of site I'm sure this would not be an issue.


I'm sure any latency issues could be resolved with adding some additional distance to the front stage calibrated distance settings if needed. Now that I think of it, Auddyssey, or any other room correction, should handle the distance (time) settings for you. Just re-run your room correction after setting up the wireless surrounds and all should be good with time alignment.
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