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I'm done helping as you don't seem to want to listen. Good luck.

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that was the same video i saw to try and understand how to set up my 9060s. i used option 3 at first (LFE with speakers set to large and the double bass off), but i found it to be too rich. i ended up going with #1 and retaining my energy RL-S10 powered sub for the time being (rythmik FTV15 is arriving tomorrow).

i think #1 is a more full sounding setup crossed over at 80hz and set to large.

honestly, the advice you’ve given isnt wrong imho....try not to get frustrated. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink it......keep giving out great advice.


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will admit to being a newbie to this
all that I have done is to run the auto setup many years ago.
My room is about 28' long by 13' wide.
It is also fairly open, as one end of the room leads to a hall way, and the other ends has an opening into the kitchen area.
It is not ideal by any means.
It was my assumption that by using the BP7004's that I would experience more bass than just the sub.
Adding the 7004's to the rear, I thought that I would get some bass from all 4 of the 7004's + the sub - kind of "surround" bass
I understand that with the 80 hz crossover that anything below that would be directed to the bass only.
Sadly, my old Pioneer receive does not allow different crossover for each speaker, as the newer ones do.
It appears that I just made a bad decision going with the 7004's or maybe I am just expecting too much
I have no doubt that a newer receiver would help address the desired affect that I seek, but I am just trying to get the most out of what I have.


maybe someone could recommend a website to download some bass demo's that I could use for testing
That's a pretty big space to fill. Keep in mind under about 80htz or so bass waves are omnidirectional, so they naturally seem like they surround you. The key is getting a flat but rising response as you go down in frequency.

I dont think you made a bad decision with the 7004's, you just discovered your next upgrade.

Although rather than a new receiver you could get a mini dsp 2x4hd to handle crossovers and eq. That's only $200 vs a new AVR and far more powerful EQ.

IMO, the best bet for you would be to spend $100 on a UMIK and learn REW to see what is going on. You can certainly try turning off the sub and just run the 7004's large. This will let you know what you can get out of them. It might sound like more bass at times. I'd bet what you'll really be getting is some big peaks with big nulls at various frequencies as the bass waves cancel each other out. I'm sure this is contributing to your impressions. But if you do this, you'll know what you get. Then you can move on to pursing good bass instead of "more bass".
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I got 4 SR9080s that I am planning to use as surrounds & rear surrounds...what are some of the ways I can mount them?

Has anybody used any speaker mounts for these? or did you just hang them by a screw with the keyhole that is on the back of the speaker?

Many of the speaker mounts that are in the market are not suitable for these speakers is what I thought...as they cannot be used with screw like fitting on the mounts or the ones that come for rectangular speakers which hold them on the side....Please correct me if I am wrong...or if I am missing anything.

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I have decided to go with Deftec for my living room HT remodel. I am currently trying to decide between several of their offerings and have a few questions. For background, these will be placed in wall behind a 100-120" AT projector screen (haven't decided how big to go yet). The room is roughly 13x13 with the couch on the back wall and screen on the front. There is no option for room rearrangement. I am not overly concerned with the loss of low end on these as the will be in a dual sub system. The speakers I am trying to decide on are for the front 3, and are between the following:

DI 5.5LCR
DI 6.5LCR
UIW RLS III

My main questions are as follows:

1. How would you rate the sound quality of these 3, from best to worst? Is it as simple as going by the price? Not sure the addition of bass radiators in the RLS III would make a huge difference here.

2. Is the difference in quality of sound from stepping up to the 6.5LCR, or the RLS III worth the cost? Currently, I can get the 5.5LCR for around half of the 6.5LCR, and the RLS III are about $75 more than the 6.5LCR. Budget is not a huge concern, but I am more of a "value minded" person. I don't mind spending the money if the payoff is worth it, but don't want to overspend if I get 95% performace for 50% cost.

3. These will primarily be used for Movie/TV, very little music. Will all of these be sufficient for filling a room of this size without having to crank the AVR to 11?

As for the surrounds, due to the layout of the room and not having space behind the couch (about 6" from wall) or a side wall on one side due to a hallway, I am forced into having the surrounds on the back wall. I will be going with bipoles and am deciding between DI 5.5BPS, UIW RSS II, and UIW RSS III. I feel like this decision will be made after finalizing the fronts. If I go with the DI series, I plan to stick with it for the surrounds. If I get a UIW series, I will stick with those. Unless there is an opinion that one is significanlty better than another?

For the 4 atmos, it is between the DI 5.5R, DI 6.5R, and DI 8R. I was not even considering the 8R's, but for some reason they are about half the cost of the other 2?

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For the 4 atmos, it is between the DI 5.5R, DI 6.5R, and DI 8R. I was not even considering the 8R's, but for some reason they are about half the cost of the other 2?

Any opinions are welcome!
I’m new to a Atmos setup but bought The DI 8R for my four Atmos speakers based on recommendations and specs. I originally wanted the DI 6.5R but the savings on the 8Rs was to good to pass up. I would suggest inquiring about the bipoles for the rear speakers with an Atmos setup on the Atmos forum. I think I read where bipoles don’t work well in a Atmos system.
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I have decided to go with Deftec for my living room HT remodel. I am currently trying to decide between several of their offerings and have a few questions. For background, these will be placed in wall behind a 100-120" AT projector screen (haven't decided how big to go yet). The room is roughly 13x13 with the couch on the back wall and screen on the front. There is no option for room rearrangement. I am not overly concerned with the loss of low end on these as the will be in a dual sub system. The speakers I am trying to decide on are for the front 3, and are between the following:

DI 5.5LCR
DI 6.5LCR
UIW RLS III

My main questions are as follows:

1. How would you rate the sound quality of these 3, from best to worst? Is it as simple as going by the price? Not sure the addition of bass radiators in the RLS III would make a huge difference here.

2. Is the difference in quality of sound from stepping up to the 6.5LCR, or the RLS III worth the cost? Currently, I can get the 5.5LCR for around half of the 6.5LCR, and the RLS III are about $75 more than the 6.5LCR. Budget is not a huge concern, but I am more of a "value minded" person. I don't mind spending the money if the payoff is worth it, but don't want to overspend if I get 95% performace for 50% cost.

3. These will primarily be used for Movie/TV, very little music. Will all of these be sufficient for filling a room of this size without having to crank the AVR to 11?

As for the surrounds, due to the layout of the room and not having space behind the couch (about 6" from wall) or a side wall on one side due to a hallway, I am forced into having the surrounds on the back wall. I will be going with bipoles and am deciding between DI 5.5BPS, UIW RSS II, and UIW RSS III. I feel like this decision will be made after finalizing the fronts. If I go with the DI series, I plan to stick with it for the surrounds. If I get a UIW series, I will stick with those. Unless there is an opinion that one is significanlty better than another?

For the 4 atmos, it is between the DI 5.5R, DI 6.5R, and DI 8R. I was not even considering the 8R's, but for some reason they are about half the cost of the other 2?

Any opinions are welcome!
For the Atmos speakers in ceiling, definitely go for the DI 8Rs if you can. They will provide a more robust sound and will allow you to cross them at 80-100hz with headroom and volume.
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I’m new to a Atmos setup but bought The DI 8R for my four Atmos speakers based on recommendations and specs. I originally wanted the DI 6.5R but the savings on the 8Rs was to good to pass up. I would suggest inquiring about the bipoles for the rear speakers with an Atmos setup on the Atmos forum. I think I read where bipoles don’t work well in a Atmos system.
Bipolar speakers definitely work well with Atmos setups...it's dipoles you want to stay away from.
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For the Atmos speakers in ceiling, definitely go for the DI 8Rs if you can. They will provide a more robust sound and will allow you to cross them at 80-100hz with headroom and volume.
Any thoughts on the fronts?
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So as I sit here trying to decide which AVR to get for my newly finished basement, I have a question about center channels. The BP7001sc pair that I just purchased also includes a CLR 2002 center. I am seriously considering trying to upgrade to a CLR 3000 but was looking for advice from someone who may have these towers and has possibly used one or both of these centers with them. I know that matching the 6.5” drivers is important but would I really be missing out on a lot if I ran with the 2002? I have a CS-8060HD upstairs that sounds good in a smaller room but I highly doubt that will give me better results than the 2002. The CLR 3000 seems like it should be what I should go for on paper but I’d like to hear from someone with experience with some or all of these speakers. What do you think? My basement media room is 16’ wide and 24’ deep for reference. Thanks!
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Sorry, I don't have first hand experience with those particular ones.
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So as I sit here trying to decide which AVR to get for my newly finished basement, I have a question about center channels. The BP7001sc pair that I just purchased also includes a CLR 2002 center. I am seriously considering trying to upgrade to a CLR 3000 but was looking for advice from someone who may have these towers and has possibly used one or both of these centers with them. I know that matching the 6.5” drivers is important but would I really be missing out on a lot if I ran with the 2002? I have a CS-8060HD upstairs that sounds good in a smaller room but I highly doubt that will give me better results than the 2002. The CLR 3000 seems like it should be what I should go for on paper but I’d like to hear from someone with experience with some or all of these speakers. What do you think? My basement media room is 16’ wide and 24’ deep for reference. Thanks!
Hello, I had the clr2002, 2000, and 3000. The 3000 and 2000 would be better. I use the bp7000. More robust sound with the centers I mentioned. Since you have nice speakers I would definitely get one of those centers. And while the 2002 is very nice the other two are better.
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Hello, I had the clr2002, 2000, and 3000. The 3000 and 2000 would be better. I use the bp7000. More robust sound with the centers I mentioned. Since you have nice speakers I would definitely get one of those centers. And while the 2002 is very nice the other two are better.
Thanks! I’ve been reading more about it and decided to get the 3000. I’m buying one of yosh7’s from here on the forums. I’ll compare my cs8060hd with the clr 2002 and keep the better of the two in my living room setup while selling the other.

Ok, back to receiver hunting.
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I had the Def Tech 2300 and really liked it as my center. I’ve replaced it with a Speakercraft Monitor 3 center. The Speakercraft works better in my media console. The Def Tech became a WAF sub replacement when my Infinity sub died. I imagine the extra punch from the 3000 in your system will sound great. These centers sound wonderful across the sound spectrum.


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Thanks! I’ve been reading more about it and decided to get the 3000. I’m buying one of yosh7’s from here on the forums. I’ll compare my cs8060hd with the clr 2002 and keep the better of the two in my living room setup while selling the other.

Ok, back to receiver hunting.
I used to own the 2002 and 3000, and the 3000 was hands-down better. You will be pleased.
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I got 4 SR9080s that I am planning to use as surrounds & rear surrounds...what are some of the ways I can mount them?

Has anybody used any speaker mounts for these? or did you just hang them by a screw with the keyhole that is on the back of the speaker?

Many of the speaker mounts that are in the market are not suitable for these speakers is what I thought...as they cannot be used with screw like fitting on the mounts or the ones that come for rectangular speakers which hold them on the side....Please correct me if I am wrong...or if I am missing anything.

Thanks in advance!

I’m using the SR9080s for surrounds and rear surrounds. They’re mounted on the wall by someone I hired. Hope this helps


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Morning y’all. Something is bothering me n I’m seeking help or advice. The circuit board from my BP9080x tower has gone bad n needs to be replaced - stated by a DT tech support.

After sending them proof of purchase, I was told the seller isn’t an authorized dealer. My jaw dropped. I called DT tech support right after n spoke to a different person. All he could do was send my claim up to escalation n have to wait 48 hours for answer. Worst case I’d have to pay for the part which costs $350 + shipping.

My question is wouldn’t my serial# tell them where the tower was sold from? The seller who sold me the towers said they got it from Magnolia Best Buy which is an authorized dealer and that the warranty would be honored. It was brand new n less then three years since I purchased it.

Is there anyone I could talk to over at Def Tec? Or yet is there anyone that’s a member on this forum that works there?

Just like many of you guys, I’ve spent a good amount of money to have DT speakers and have seen people on here able to get there stuff covered under warranty when it’s out of warranty. Just frustrating....Thx n appreciate any input

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I wonder if the BP9000 line is getting replaced soon because I work @ Best Buy & it shows the out of stock date for these models is going to be sometime in May which means none of the stores will be getting anymore in.

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I am shopping around for a (Primarily) Home Theater 5.4.4 Speaker System to match up with my JVC NX7 Native 4K Projector and a 11.5' Wide (150" Diag.) Screen.

I have a 18' x 16' HT room, and I sit about 15' from the screen/speakers.

The Definitive Speakers are On a Sale everywhere that expires tonight, probably because they may be replaced soon.

What do you guys think about a Speaker System comprised of the following:

(2) FRONT - Definitive Technology BP-9080X
Dolby Atmos® enabled bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(1) CENTER - Definitive Technology CS-9080
Center channel speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(2) REAR - Definitive Technology BP-9040
Bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(2) REAR ATMOS Definitive Technology A90
Dolby Atmos® enabled speaker modules for compatible Definitive Technology powered tower speakers

I read that the BP-9080X's do not have pinpoint L-R imaging because of the Bipolar Design as opposed to Direct Radiating Speakers.

Any timely comments greatly appreciated.

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I am shopping around for a (Primarily) Home Theater 5.4.4 Speaker System to match up with my JVC NX7 Native 4K Projector and a 11.5' Wide (150" Diag.) Screen.

I have a 18' x 16' HT room, and I sit about 15' from the screen/speakers.

The Definitive Speakers are On a Sale everywhere that expires tonight, probably because they may be replaced soon.

What do you guys think about a Speaker System comprised of the following:

(2) FRONT - Definitive Technology BP-9080X
Dolby Atmos® enabled bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(1) CENTER - Definitive Technology CS-9080
Center channel speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(2) REAR - Definitive Technology BP-9040
Bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(2) REAR ATMOS Definitive Technology A90
Dolby Atmos® enabled speaker modules for compatible Definitive Technology powered tower speakers

I read that the BP-9080X's do not have pinpoint L-R imaging because of the Bipolar Design as opposed to Direct Radiating Speakers.

Any timely comments greatly appreciated.
I think you will be happy, especially if you can get sale prices.

The imaging is perfectly fine for movies especially if you can space them out properly. I prefer the bipolar nature since I'm 99% movies and the soundstage sounds great and the sound blends with the room.
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I think you will be happy, especially if you can get sale prices.

The imaging is perfectly fine for movies especially if you can space them out properly. I prefer the bipolar nature since I'm 99% movies and the soundstage sounds great and the sound blends with the room.
I can space them out, but I am concerned that the BP-9080X's/BP-9060X's do not have pinpoint L-R imaging because of the Bipolar Design as opposed to Direct Radiating Speakers.

I will mainly watch/listen to movies.

Even at the sale prices, buying a system of this nature would be a big comitment.

Do you have a 5.1.4 or higher system with the BP-9080X's/BP-9060X's?

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I am shopping around for a (Primarily) Home Theater 5.4.4 Speaker System to match up with my JVC NX7 Native 4K Projector and a 11.5' Wide (150" Diag.) Screen.

I have a 18' x 16' HT room, and I sit about 15' from the screen/speakers.

The Definitive Speakers are On a Sale everywhere that expires tonight, probably because they may be replaced soon.

What do you guys think about a Speaker System comprised of the following:

(2) FRONT - Definitive Technology BP-9080X
Dolby Atmos® enabled bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(1) CENTER - Definitive Technology CS-9080
Center channel speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(2) REAR - Definitive Technology BP-9040
Bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer
(2) REAR ATMOS Definitive Technology A90
Dolby Atmos® enabled speaker modules for compatible Definitive Technology powered tower speakers

I read that the BP-9080X's do not have pinpoint L-R imaging because of the Bipolar Design as opposed to Direct Radiating Speakers.

Any timely comments greatly appreciated.
BUMP

Am I better off with Definitive SR-9080 Bipolar surround speaker as my Rear/Surround Speakers or (2)REAR - Definitive Technology BP-9040 or BP-9060 Bipolar floor-standing speaker with built-in powered subwoofer and (2) REAR ATMOS Definitive Technology A90 Dolby Atmos® enabled speaker modules for compatible Definitive Technology powered tower speakers?

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I can space them out, but I am concerned that the BP-9080X's/BP-9060X's do not have pinpoint L-R imaging because of the Bipolar Design as opposed to Direct Radiating Speakers.

I will mainly watch/listen to movies.

Even at the sale prices, buying a system of this nature would be a big comitment.

Do you have a 5.1.4 or higher system with the BP-9080X's/BP-9060X's?
I have the 9060s towers and 9060 center (and SR9080s for surround), set up in a 5.2.4 configuration with DI 8R's in the ceiling and dual SVS PB4000s (as of today). To me, the imaging is perfectly fine and even great. The rears firing drivers are at a reduced level and all it does is spread the sound around, but your ears easily pick up the direct firing sound and can distinguish between the reflections.

Check out this review below. They touch up on the imaging aspect a little bit.

https://www.audioholics.com/surround...y-atmos-review

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I have the 9060s towers and 9060 center (and SR9080s for surround), set up in a 5.2.4 configuration with DI 8R's in the ceiling and dual SVS PB4000s (as of today). To me, the imaging is perfectly fine and even great. The rears firing drivers are at a reduced level and all it does is spread the sound around, but your ears easily pick up the direct firing sound and can distinguish between the reflections.

Check out this review below. They touch up on the imaging aspect a little bit.

https://www.audioholics.com/surround...y-atmos-review
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another BP7004 issue...………


I replaced the amplifier, but I still get nothing
I found that if I push in on the subwoofer then I get a good response...…...let off nothing
Is this a sign that the sub woofer itself is defective?

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another BP7004 issue...………


I replaced the amplifier, but I still get nothing
I found that if I push in on the subwoofer then I get a good response...…...let off nothing
Is this a sign that the sub woofer itself is defective?

sounds like the voice coil on the woofer is fried.

same thing happened to woofers when i was into car audio years ago. push on it and it would jump then nothing.

i would contact DT again. they may be able to ship you out a new woofer.


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For all my fellow BP7004, 7006, 7002 ownwers I just got off the phone with Def tech to try and get a new amp.

My last order for one was in May of 2019 and Chet sold me one for $90. It made my 7004 hammer again.

Well i need a new amp for my other 7004 so i called DT. Chet no longer works there and.....

Now they want 200 bucks for one.

Needless to say i hung up and am gonna try a couple different places that sell them before i allow myself to pay double.

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another BP7004 issue...………


I replaced the amplifier, but I still get nothing
I found that if I push in on the subwoofer then I get a good response...…...let off nothing
Is this a sign that the sub woofer itself is defective?
where did you get your new amp from?

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I picked up a pair of BP6 towers at Goodwill for 7 bucks a piece and while one works perfectly, the tweeters on the other do not output any sound. Any troubleshooting advice? I tried hooking up another speaker to the input for the tweeters that aren't working and got no sound. Should I order replacement tweeters or do I take a look at the crossover that is attached to the speaker mounts on the bottom of the tower itself? Since I have less than $15 invested in both of them I don't mind spending money monkeying around with them. I do seem to enjoy their sound in an Atmos setup compared to my PSB Image S5 dipoles I was origjnally using and want to putz around with the DefTechs before committing to going down the ol' rabbit hole and buying new towers for surrounds. Thanks for any advice!
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