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The good news is you have lots of options since you have the miniDSP. Normally I would encourage just going the simple route; cross at 80htz and let the HSU's handle everything under. Make no mistake, the will play everything under 100 htz, or more, better than the 10" in the DT towers.

But with that miniDSP, you have the option of trying to use the 10" powered woofers in the DT's as mid bass modules.

I would never even suggested attempt this without the Umik and REW but it should be worth trying if you are up for putting in the work. If you are willing to try, you still might find crossing everything at 80htz better.

Of most importance is finding where the ox blends the two together the best in your room.

Going the midbass module/MBM approach, you would start by setting LFE and crossover in the AVR to 120htz. In the miniDSP split the LFE signal at 40htz, then 50, 60 with a HPF to the DT's and LPF to the HSU's. You will likely want to use the steepest roll off slopes the HSU and your miniDSP allow in this configuration. Experiment, measure, repeat. One thing in particular you might have to experiment with is your room correction. My guess is you might want to unplug the LFE connection to the DT's when running it but I'm not sure on this so I'd attempt it both ways and measure. You also might need to experiment with the crossover in the AVR (non LFE channels). Keeping LFE at 120htz, I'd bring down the xo on the rest of the system and check results as you go.

It will be a lot of work but might yield in some great mid bass punch with lots of headroom at all frequencies. Or it could be a null riddled mess. I can almost guaranty you'll have a null riddled mess if you attempt to have the DT's and HSU's over lapping.

For these reasons, I'd make sure you start with the simplest approach first, 80htz across the board with all LFE going to HSU's only. This will allow you to see, and hear, what your baseline is and get your HSU placement right.

After that, experimenting with the more complicated configuration might reveal it is more effort than the results are worth.

Thanks for the response! You've given me a lot to think about. I am a newcomer to miniDSP & REW. I'm willing to put in the time to figure it out properly and get the best out of my equipment and space. I'm a teacher who has a lot of time on my hands after delivering my virtual physics lessons and grading/giving feedback on assignments, so I am looking forward to something challenging. I'm unsure how to go about the mid-bass module option in terms of REW and miniDSP. Would I run them all on one input and align and EQ the HSU's and DefTech's together as one or would I need to align and EQ the HSU's and then separately (on input 2?) align and EQ the DefTech's? I should probably dig around in the REW/miniDSP forums to see what I can find out. Like I said, I am coming into REW and miniDSP blind other than watching an excellent video on youtube from Home Theater Gurus. I appreciate the guidance.

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I have a similar set up, but with BP8060's and the exact subs, 1 up front and 1 to the rear. ( in the opposite corners)

Now I did run cables to all sub locations, however I set the DT's to 80Hz and I'm sending all the LFE to the HSU's...honestly, it sounds incredible. There is so much low extension, and tremendous impact you feel it in the chest and rumbling in the seat. I can't imagine it sounding much better.
Now with that being said, I never did try with all 4 subs connected to LFE, as I haven't run REW and I am not that experienced with it, so I would need to learn it.


Interested to hear what your thoughts are if you decided to run all 4 via LFE.

Thanks! I haven't been wowed by the dual HSU's which tells me I have a lot of work to do in my basement theater room, hence picking up the miniDSP. I cannot wait to get to experience these speakers the way they are meant to be.

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Thanks for the response! You've given me a lot to think about. I am a newcomer to miniDSP & REW. I'm willing to put in the time to figure it out properly and get the best out of my equipment and space. I'm a teacher who has a lot of time on my hands after delivering my virtual physics lessons and grading/giving feedback on assignments, so I am looking forward to something challenging. I'm unsure how to go about the mid-bass module option in terms of REW and miniDSP. Would I run them all on one input and align and EQ the HSU's and DefTech's together as one or would I need to align and EQ the HSU's and then separately (on input 2?) align and EQ the DefTech's? I should probably dig around in the REW/miniDSP forums to see what I can find out. Like I said, I am coming into REW and miniDSP blind other than watching an excellent video on youtube from Home Theater Gurus. I appreciate the guidance.
While you can try to run the DT woofers w/ the HSU's you are not likely to get good results. Most likely a bunch of peeks and nulls. This might sound loud and authoritative at certain times, but it will not sound clean and detailed.

Start by using REW to help you find the best locations for the HSU's. Have you printed out Austin Jerry's REW Guide? If not that's step one. Just focus on getting the HSu's right first with an 80htz xo on everything else.

Then you start to experiment with sending the LEF to the DT woofers. When that time comes, you can send just a single LFE to the 2x4HD. If you have two Sub outs on the AVR, you can use both but it's probably not necessary. On the output side of the 2x4HD you will run one of them split out to the DT Woofers and they will get the same High Pass Filter applied so they DO NOT OVER LAP YOUR HSU's. You will apply a Low Pass Filter to the HSU's at the same frequency you created the HPF for the DT woofers. The other outputs on the 2x4HD you will use to send a signal to the HSU's. Whether you use two different outputs or split off of just one will be determined by the HSU's physical distance to your listening position. If they are the same distance, you can use just one out put and split it. If they are different, you will use two different outputs to set separate distances for timing purposes.

There are many guides and knowledgeable people in the Audio Theory Set UP Forum that can help you with your quest.
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While you can try to run the DT woofers w/ the HSU's you are not likely to get good results. Most likely a bunch of peeks and nulls. The might sound loud and authoritative at certain time, but it will not sound clean and detailed.

Start by using REW to help you find the best locations for the HSU's. Have you printed out Austin Jerry's REW Guide? If not that's step one. Just focus on getting the HSu's right first with an 80htz xo on everything else.

Then you start to experiment with sending the LEF to the DT woofers. When that time comes, you can send just a single LFE to the 2x4HD. If you have two Sub outs on the AVR, you can use both but it's probably not necessary. On the output side of the 2x4HD you will run one of them split out to the DT Woofers and they will get the same High Pass Filter applied so they DO NOT OVER LAP YOUR HSU's. You will apply a Low Pass Filter to the HSU's at the same frequency you created the HPF for the DT woofers. The other outputs on the 2x4HD you will use to send a signal to the HSU's. Whether you use two different outputs or split off of just one will be determined by the HSU's physical distance to your listening position. If they are the same distance, you can use just one out put and split it. If they are different, you will use two different outputs to set separate distances for timing purposes.

There are many guides and knowledgeable people in the Audio Theory Set UP Forum that can help you with your quest.

Thanks a lot, brother! I appreciate it.

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Thanks a lot, brother! I appreciate it.
Good luck in the rabbit hole. It's deep in there.

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Let know what you guys think. I’ve been listening to music in 2.2 virtual as of recently instead of standard stereo.



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It says "Video Unavailable"

Yikes , that’s odd. I’ll look into it.


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Didn't work for me. Says Video Unavailable.
It works from the link. Don't click on the graphic.

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It works from the link. Don't click on the graphic.
Thanks. I just discovered some new music thanks to your post.
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Super dumb question. I am replacing my ProMount 80's and have two sets of ProMount 90's which is a slightly different design. On the Pro80's it didn't matter which side was up or down because it was identical. However on the ProMount 90's I have they are slightly angled... is there a right or wrong way for these to be facing? IE: Should they angle up or down? I tried both was just resting on the wall and I can't see if there is a difference. Either way I am angling the speakers downwards but I just want to make sure I install them correctly. IE: The adjustment bolt would be on top or on the bottom but not sure which is recommended?

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^ the orientation should not matter. So long as you can position the speaker with the angle you want, and hit a stud, you'll be fine.

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I thought I’d pop in and say “Hi!”

I’m loving these Canton Chrono 509.2 towers and 505.2 center!



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^ very nice FF. I like the clean look you achieved. I'm sure you WAF appreciates it as well.

Can you make some comparisons to your old BP8080's now that you've got some time on them?
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Try pulling your center channel forward so it's at least 1/4" over the cabinet edge. Worst case, try it flush if you don't like the look. The way you have it may potentially cause bouncing soundwaves.

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^ very nice FF. I like the clean look you achieved. I'm sure you WAF appreciates it as well.

Can you make some comparisons to your old BP8080's now that you've got some time on them?

Yea, I’m quite happy with the sound and the appearance. The sound quality (clarity & detail) is definitely better than the BP8080’s. I can hear sounds & instruments I couldn’t hear with the 8080’s. But, I don’t have that extra bass and mid bass I had but I’m fine with that.


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Try pulling your center channel forward so it's at least 1/4" over the cabinet edge. Worst case, try it flush if you don't like the look. The way you have it may potentially cause bouncing soundwaves.

Ya think that inch to inch and a half is gonna make that much difference?


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Yea, I’m quite happy with the sound and the appearance. The sound quality (clarity & detail) is definitely better than the BP8080’s. I can hear sounds & instruments I couldn’t hear with the 8080’s. But, I don’t have that extra bass and mid bass I had but I’m fine with that.


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That's why you need another Hsu!

You can sell it to the Mrs. You just opened up space and reduced wires after all.

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It probably will, but if you dont have any issues now.....

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You have nothing to lose, but maybe. It acts like a first reflection bouncing right back into your direct sound. Might sound a hair clearer if you avoid it
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Thoughts on the 8040 center compared to the PC2000? I’ve recently upgraded my system to a 5.1.4 from 5.1. Not liking the sound from the PC2000. Anybody switch from the a PC2000 to the 8040? Or maybe the 8060 center? My other speakers are SM55, SC6000, DI 6.5S for surround and DI 18R for Atmos. The 8040 are cheap since being closed out.
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I’ll have to try that with my SM55s. Sound good.
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Has anyone tried this speaker cable? Has a very high strand count & multiple sub cores. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...d-b31d6b1bfbee

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I’ll have to try that with my SM55s. Sound good.

Thanks man, let me know how it goes. Snarky Puppy has a ton of great songs.


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Has anyone tried this speaker cable? Has a very high strand count & multiple sub cores. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...d-b31d6b1bfbee

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make your own. it’s cheaper and you’ll get better quality.


KnuKonceptz Kord Kable 12 Gauge Copper Speaker Wire - 50 Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006VP97DE..._DQzZEbHVFBA1E

i use this stuff. it’s fantastic. actually replaced the surround runs that were here when we bought the house with this stuff. stuff is awesome.

and i use these

Mediabridge Ultra Series Fast-Lock 45° Spade Plugs - 6 Pair Per Package - (Part# SPC-ST2-6) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L83C376..._sSzZEbT030NNA

and these

Mediabridge Banana Plugs - Corrosion-Resistant 24K Gold-Plated Connectors - 6 Pair/12 Banana Plugs (Part# SPC-BP2-6) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JFC9ALE..._0SzZEb3DP83GS

there are many turorials on youtube about how to make your own speaker cables. i would save your money on buying premade ones and venture into making ones yourself...it’ll be more satisfying, trust me.

besides, 8g with that short of a length is a complete waste.


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Thoughts on the 8040 center compared to the PC2000? I’ve recently upgraded my system to a 5.1.4 from 5.1. Not liking the sound from the PC2000. Anybody switch from the a PC2000 to the 8040? Or maybe the 8060 center? My other speakers are SM55, SC6000, DI 6.5S for surround and DI 18R for Atmos. The 8040 are cheap since being closed out.
Since no respose to my post above, picked up a Def Tech 9040 center channel speakers to try. Wow is all I can say. No comparison, huge improvement over the PC2000. And I haven’t even run Audyssey. Makes me wonder how the 9060 center would sound with my system.

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