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post #54811 of 55779 Old 06-06-2016, 09:03 AM
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Call Klipsch.
And start talking to your kids about your speakers and electronics. Show them the speakers up close and tell them what they do. Let them know they can't be touched and are delicate. That they are Daddy's speakers.
I did that with my kids from as soon as they could walk. Never had an issue. When other kids were over, my kids would walk them over and give the same speech. lol
I miss hearing my kids tell other kids that these are my dads speakers, we do not touch these. lol
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I think you should just put a tiny bandaid on that mid! lol And that hole looks like it's from the tip of a knife, not a pen. Hope it was a pen. Your speakers could have been way worse. Time to put the grilles on.

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Call Klipsch.
And start talking to your kids about your speakers and electronics. Show them the speakers up close and tell them what they do. Let them know they can't be touched and are delicate. That they are Daddy's speakers.
I did that with my kids from as soon as they could walk. Never had an issue. When other kids were over, my kids would walk them over and give the same speech. lol
I miss hearing my kids tell other kids that these are my dads speakers, we do not touch these. lol
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I think you should just put a tiny bandaid on that mid! lol And that hole looks like it's from the tip of a knife, not a pen. Hope it was a pen. Your speakers could have been way worse. Time to put the grilles on.
Honestly, that was what I was thinking too..... hahaha! I mean, it's no laughing matter, but the thought of that scene in "Pet Sematary" sprang to mind where the little kid came back from the dead with an exacto knife or whatever.

In any case, like Iron Maiden said, you should have warned the munchkin to stay away from the speakers as soon as he's able to understand....... kids can be unruly at times because it's in their nature to explore things and the boundaries of their limit, but usually if you are adamant and keep drilling the kid that speakers are a "No No", they usually try to avoid it like a plague.
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Call Klipsch.
And start talking to your kids about your speakers and electronics. Show them the speakers up close and tell them what they do. Let them know they can't be touched and are delicate. That they are Daddy's speakers.
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In any case, like Iron Maiden said, you should have warned the munchkin to stay away from the speakers as soon as he's able to understand....... kids can be unruly at times because it's in their nature to explore things and the boundaries of their limit, but usually if you are adamant and keep drilling the kid that speakers are a "No No", they usually try to avoid it like a plague.
Guys, I can assure you I did exactly that. The thing is, it turns out every kid is different. My first daughter would never have even entertained the thought of removing the grill on one of my speakers. My son is much less sensitive to stern warnings, and still quite a bit young to understand how critical my speakers are to my well-being

The most ironic thing is that I found out about the issue while answering questions from my son about what every button or part of the setup does. That's when I noticed the grille logo was bottom-up and I decided to replace it in its correct orientation.

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And that hole looks like it's from the tip of a knife, not a pen. Hope it was a pen. Your speakers could have been way worse. Time to put the grilles on.
Well for one, the grilles WERE on. And considering how my son is, we keep knives in hard to reach places. It was probably a sharpened pencil or a fine-tipped ballpoint pen which are literally everywhere in our house.

Yes, all things considered, since the speaker still works, it could have been worse...

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Neutro, i would just put a small piece of scotch tape over the hole in the mid driver, maybe 1 or 2 layers thick. That would at least smooth over the hole to minimize any acoustic effects. Perhaps use the frosted type to try to match the color a bit. I think thats the best besides finding a new module.

For the dented tweeter, you could try super gluing the end of a toothpick (pointing straight into the dent) to the center of the dented section, the pulling straight out. Once it pulls out, twist the toothpick or turn it to the side to break if off the glue. Since the glue is clear, it shouldnt be too noticeable afterward.

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I've used a vacuum cleaner with a small attachment on it to suck onto the cone and then pull the dent out. Hot glue is another way. Small dab on a stick or something. Then pull it out. Many ways to do it.
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Hi guys, it's been a long time since I posted here. I lurk a bit but have much less time for AVSForum browsing at work or at home with two kids now.

Speaking of kids... see attachement. My 2.5-yo son attacked my RC-LCR with a pen during a business trip. The result is one perforated mid driver, and a dented tweeter. If the woofers have been attacked, the kevlar resisted

The immediate result of this is that the resale value of my whole 5.0 setup just took a dive. However the speaker still produces plenty of sound. I have not yet taken FR measurements or re-calibrated; I guess the damage cannot be only cosmetic. What can I expect in terms of performance? Is the busted mid basically non-efficient at this point?

I've already managed to un-dent a tweeter using adhesive tape; it hasn't worked so far on this one but I'll try again tonight. But the mid is definitely beyond repairs. I know Fry's in the US still sometimes carry the RC-LCR but they don't ship it. I guess I could make a deal with a good samaritan and try to have one shipped all the way across the continent, but one has to balance the usefulness of this vs the cost.

I've contacted Gentech (Energy's distributor in Canada) to know if they have mids+tweeter modules in stock for repairs, but so far I got no reply. Does anybody here managed such a repair? If so, where did you get the module?

Thanks for any hint -- even though I'm basically prepared to live with that and think about the next setup...
You could try calling the number for Klipsch and ask if they have what you need for replacements. ( I know your in Canada ) If they have them I am sure they would be willing to ship even if its on your dime. I called in for a warranty issue to Klipsch last summer so I know there are or at least then were handling all the Energy warranty replacement and at that time they still had stock for the RC -Series stuff and the newest V-Series stuff.

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RC-50 or RC-70 for sale or trade for B & W 603 S3 or 603 S2???

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did someone say they have some RC-50 or RC-70 for sale???
i would be interested.....can pay cash or maybe swap some B & W 604 S3 and/or B & W 603 S2.....
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So I'm getting ready to setup both my basement Entertainment center, and my Record player room. Currently remodeling house.

I have the following;


Yamah RX-V477
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1 pair CB20
1 CC5 Center
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Prior to the recent events, I had my CB10's hooked up to my Sansui G4500 & SR5090 turn table, and they sounded great. In a search for better sound, I scored a pair of CB20's, to replace the CB10's for my record player, but I think I'm going to go the other way for home theater viewing- CB20 LR, cc5 center


My questions


A.) Should I use the CB20s + CB5 or for my home theater, or use the CB10s + CC5?


B.) Are there any decent energy surrounds to couple with this setup, or should I not waste my time looking? I like the idea of having all the speakers matching, but I'm not opposed to mixing it up. I've seen take 2's and take 5's going for under $60 for the pair, I just don't know that I should even waste my time. Thoughts? opinions?
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So I'm getting ready to setup both my basement Entertainment center, and my Record player room.
I understand you want two different rooms or setups, but you realize that you can have your cake and eat it too if you have a single setup with CB-20 fronts, CB-10 surrounds, CC-5 center and your turntable hooked to the same (they'd play on the CB-20s).

If I had to choose though, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't miss the CB-20s in the entertainment setup if the CB-10s are used with a sub. Then again, by themselves the CB-20 without a sub would be a bit lacking in bass for record playing.

As for whether there are matching surrounds, not sure if they can still be found but the CB-5 are the smallest bookshelves (same drivers as the CC-5) and are easier to mount on a wall or ceiling than the CB-10. In Canada though, CB-10 were typically easier to find and at about the same price as the CB-5.

The CC-5 sure could be upgraded to the CC-10 which has the same drivers as the CB-10 though.

I've never compared the Connoisseur line to the Takes so I can't comment on those, sorry.

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What do you guys prefer while listening to a music? Direct, stereo, or pure direct?

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What do you guys prefer while listening to a music? Direct, stereo, or pure direct?
Stereo (room-corrected) with bass management so 2.1, although, *gasp*, I also enjoy all-channel stereo and some of the other extended stereo modes!

My main setup is in an acoustically challenging room so room correction really improves things. And it's always great when my subs are involved, although the RC-70s by themselves have amazing bass down to 40 Hz.

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Hi all - complete newb here. I'm building a home theater (movies only) and am looking for a decent 5.1 setup. Have an opportunity on cl to buy a setup comprising an Onkyo tx-sr706 and four Energy c-100s mated to a c-c50s and esw8 sub. Is this a good first time setup for a small room? Is $250 a good price? Thanks!
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Hi all - complete newb here. I'm building a home theater (movies only) and am looking for a decent 5.1 setup. Have an opportunity on cl to buy a setup comprising an Onkyo tx-sr706 and four Energy c-100s mated to a c-c50s and esw8 sub. Is this a good first time setup for a small room? Is $250 a good price? Thanks!
If that's what budget allows, it's a great start. Go for it.

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Thanks! I can probably spend more if I need to but was definitely trying to stay under $400ish for now.
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Save up for a better subwoofer, it'll make a huge improvement.

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Encore system owners, I set up an old encore system last week and the center has a noticeably different tone that the other 2 front speakers. Almost like its in the bathroom. I have a Yamaha 473 receiver running the system and after running the room correction software, the center got a little better but the sound is still off. I searched quite a bit and couldn't find many complaints about the center.
What are my steps of checking if any of the center components are damaged? I assumed if something was blown it would sound terrible, not just off.
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...the center has a noticeably different tone that the other 2 front speakers. Almost like its in the bathroom.
If they sound muffled, there is a chance the tweeter is not working. Or, it could be an overall level issue (is it set much quieter than the other speakers?).

Try to listen to center-heavy content (e.g. movie with plenty of dialogue); if you can switch from surround to stereo and see if the problem is lack of highs.

Wouldn't hurt to check connexions but in the case of the Encore they're pretty basic. One on my RC-70s, the plate linking the lower and upper binding posts was loose and I had no highs; but this doesn't apply here I guess.

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If they sound muffled, there is a chance the tweeter is not working. Or, it could be an overall level issue (is it set much quieter than the other speakers?).

Try to listen to center-heavy content (e.g. movie with plenty of dialogue); if you can switch from surround to stereo and see if the problem is lack of highs.

Wouldn't hurt to check connexions but in the case of the Encore they're pretty basic. One on my RC-70s, the plate linking the lower and upper binding posts was loose and I had no highs; but this doesn't apply here I guess.
The receiver set up the center slightly lower level wise to the fronts but the sound coming from the center is definitely louder. I assumed that's the way it should be. Even the beeps when using the roku sounded different (something I've heard for years). I'll start with the center connections and go from there.
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I have one RC-6C in ceiling speaker for sale, brand new in box. I recently purchased it off of eBay to use as a VOG for an Auro setup. I just purchased an RC-8C that I will be using instead. PM me if you are interested
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If they sound muffled, there is a chance the tweeter is not working. Or, it could be an overall level issue (is it set much quieter than the other speakers?).
Ugh, i swapped the tweeters tonight and the center's tweeter was blown. It sounds great now! Thanks for the heads up.

Anyone have an extra encore tweeter laying around
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Anyone have an extra encore tweeter laying around
It will be much easier to simply buy a new matching center channel. Encore speakers come on eBay fairly regularly and it shouldn't be hard to pick one up for under $100. A bit more expensive than buying the tweeter alone but that's probably not even an option as I doubt the parts are still out there unless you get lucky.

I see a few CC's on eBay right now, although most are outrageously overpriced. You could also buy a single Encore satellite and use it for parts and just swap the tweeter.
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Speaking of parts, I managed to contact Klipsch Group about the RC-LCR mids+tweeter module. They gave me the part numbers but they can't ship to Canada as Gentec International is the sole authorized distributor of Energy products in Canada. I re-contacted Gentec and with the part numbers they actually could list me stock and prices for the module, tweeter alone and mid alone.

The whole module is CAD 179, probably excluding taxes and shipping, and is not in stock with no ETA.

The tweeter and mid are both about CAD 50 (+tx & shipping). The tweeter is not in stock, with an ETA of 4-6 weeks after ordering, while the mid is in stock.

Since it looks like I can probably un-dent the tweeter, just ordering the in-stock mid looks like the best option. The only thing is that I have no idea how difficult replacing a mid is on the RC-LCR. Has anyone here done this before? If anybody has hints, they'd be welcome.

(Another thing I could do, I guess, is to try and order the part(s) from Klipsch Group and have them delivered during an upcoming 2-week business trip in the US. I may have a better price this way, although I'm not sure if Klipsch would accept my Canadian credit card).
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Speaking of parts, I managed to contact Klipsch Group about the RC-LCR mids+tweeter module. They gave me the part numbers but they can't ship to Canada as Gentec International is the sole authorized distributor of Energy products in Canada. I re-contacted Gentec and with the part numbers they actually could list me stock and prices for the module, tweeter alone and mid alone.

The whole module is CAD 179, probably excluding taxes and shipping, and is not in stock with no ETA.

The tweeter and mid are both about CAD 50 (+tx & shipping). The tweeter is not in stock, with an ETA of 4-6 weeks after ordering, while the mid is in stock.

Since it looks like I can probably un-dent the tweeter, just ordering the in-stock mid looks like the best option. The only thing is that I have no idea how difficult replacing a mid is on the RC-LCR. Has anyone here done this before? If anybody has hints, they'd be welcome.

(Another thing I could do, I guess, is to try and order the part(s) from Klipsch Group and have them delivered during an upcoming 2-week business trip in the US. I may have a better price this way, although I'm not sure if Klipsch would accept my Canadian credit card).
I have not changed a mid on the RCLCR but I have changed a mid on the RC-R before and its the same mid. After looking at the RCLCR, it looks like once you remove the six screws from the shinny plate the black plate underneath that should just pull off. Then it should be easy to pull the mid out and swap it out for a new one with just undoing the connectors. Glad to see Klipsch got you pointed in the right direction with parts numbers. I had to use them last year for tweeters. Also the tricky part was what size allen wrench to use. Mine were not metric and I couldn't get a good fit.I ended up using a pliers to get the screws out. Someone else in the U.S.A. on this thread last year had the same problem. I do think its a metric size driver though, that should be an easy one for you then being in Canada. I miss being in Canada, just had to say that

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After looking at the RCLCR, it looks like once you remove the six screws from the shinny plate the black plate underneath that should just pull off. Then it should be easy to pull the mid out and swap it out for a new one with just undoing the connectors.
Ok; I was wondering if the mid was somehow glued on the baffle. If it pulls off easily there is little downside to try the repair.

If other Canadians are wondering, the prices Gentec International gave me in CAD are very, very close to the value in USD given to me by Klipsch, so there seems to be no advantage in getting them shipped to the US, unless shipping fees from Gentec are very high (which remains to be seen).

I must also decide if I only repair the punctured mid, or if I jump on the occasion and replace the tweeter as well (only dented) and the other mid (very, very slight dent). None of these seem to affect sound that much; it would only be for aesthetics, resale value, and knowing I still have a pristine setup

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I see a few CC's on eBay right now, although most are outrageously overpriced. You could also buy a single Encore satellite and use it for parts and just swap the tweeter.

This will probably be my course of action. I only paid 100 bucks for the 5 speakers so I'd rather not spend a ton for the tweeter. The ebay centers are crazy priced. I'll find a cheaper one eventually.
I pulled the tweeter from one of the surrounds and put it in the center and have some takes for rears so I have time to find the right deal to use all encores.
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Ok; I was wondering if the mid was somehow glued on the baffle. If it pulls off easily there is little downside to try the repair.

If other Canadians are wondering, the prices Gentec International gave me in CAD are very, very close to the value in USD given to me by Klipsch, so there seems to be no advantage in getting them shipped to the US, unless shipping fees from Gentec are very high (which remains to be seen).

I must also decide if I only repair the punctured mid, or if I jump on the occasion and replace the tweeter as well (only dented) and the other mid (very, very slight dent). None of these seem to affect sound that much; it would only be for aesthetics, resale value, and knowing I still have a pristine setup
Since I don't have the proper wrench to take those screws out its just a guess from looking at the design. Since they sell the mids and tweeter seperatly for the RCLCR I Wouldn't think it would be glued to the baffle. Now with the RC-R they use the same mid but the baffle is attached. And if anyone wants to know the same mid with the attached baffle that is used for the RC-R is the same mid that is used for the newest Veritas version of that speaker. When I was living in Seattle area a few years ago I took a pair of RC-R's I had that had a bad mid in one of them to a guy that works on speakers ( cant remember who it was at the moment) He took measurements of the working mids I had and then took measurements with the replacement mid and from his point of view as well as Klipsch it was the same mid that is in the newest Veritas surround speaker.

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Proper wrench for the screws? What type of screws are they? Torx, Torx Plus, Torx Security (pin in center) or some other? They should all be available for short money at a Harbor Freight or similar place.

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hi.
did someone say they have some RC-50 or RC-70 for sale???
i would be interested.....can pay cash or maybe swap some B & W 604 S3 and/or B & W 603 S2.....
let me know.
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After a brief, and somewhat frustrating, experience with the ELAC Uni-Fi speakers I have returned to the Energy RC series speakers.

Thee is nothing "wrong" with the ELAC speakers, I just couldn't get them to cooperate with my listening room's acoustics.

The RC series, in my environment, outperforms the Uni-Fi series. I heard the Uni-Fi UB5 bookshelf speakers and the Debut F6 floorstanding speakers at AXPONA and they were both amazing.

I had the UF5 floorstanding speakers, the UB5 bookshelf speakers, and the UC5 center channel speaker. I just couldn't get them to cover the full spectrum of sound in my room the way the RC series did.

The ELAC speakers did have the edge on the details in the music, really wonderful. The RC seems, to me, a better balanced sound from top to bottom.

ELAC CS has been amazing and I'm grateful for all of their assistance.

I am not going to try and "upgrade" my speakers again. I'm happy with the RC series and I'm glad that some of them are back up and running again in my set up.
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