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post #7081 of 7158 Old 01-07-2019, 09:43 AM
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PSB updates the Alpha line. I'm glad to see they are continuing to work on speakers, not just headphones and subwoofers:


http://www.psbspeakers.com/articles/...eries-Speakers
I wonder how these will sound compared to the Imagine X line, which I think is a little pricier but has trickle down tech (e.g. 1" titanium tweeter) shared with the broader Imagine line.

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Psstt.....your in the wrong thread Stu
Don't worry, I'm not personally interested in the Alphas. Just curious as I had the Imagine X at one point for side surround and wides speakers.

Still trialing your JBL 708s, we'll see what transpires .

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I have trouble telling any PSB speakers apart from the upgraded lineups (i.e. a T45 sounds like a B15 with more bass response, but putting a set of X1T as the mains instead at one point with a T45 center and switching between center and no center for a voice quickly (easier to do with my old Yamaha) resulted in extremely difficult to differentiate response at least in the vocal range (and the X1T has the newer Titanium tweeter while the T45 uses the older, but same size Aluminum tweeter). In other words, PSB are so flat (most are rated +/-1 1dB across most of the range on-axis), they sound extremely similar even between various models (i.e. my X1T rear surrounds and CS500 rear heights sound nearly identical in tone/timbre to my B15s, S50 and T45s (T45 used L/C/R; S50 used as side height and B15s used front height, side surround and for front and rear wides; those all use the same drivers for both woofers and tweeters).

This is not a complaint. They SHOULD be flat/neutral and switching to B15s as side surrounds instead of the Def Tech BP2 bipolars definitely improved the sound match (and enabled me to fit a larger chair in the front right position as I no longer had to worry about front/back drivers being heard easily as I use the B15s mounted sideways on the side walls instead pointing towards the listening chairs in each row aisle between rows save the front wides which are toed in since it's in front of all rows). I was a bit worried the rear speakers wouldn't match the rest since they have the newer Titanium drivers, but they mesh just fine in practice. In fact, I'm thinking if I can't find replacement tweeters in the future (they are getting harder to find), I probably wouldn't hesitate to substitute the Titanium one in the older speakers instead of some 3rd party brand.

Thus, I would imagine the updated Alpha would still sound similar to the older Alpha which doesn't exactly sound alien compared to the Imagine line to begin with.

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I am really enjoying my Imagine B's and Imagine C in my 3.1 setup with an SVS pc12-nsd. I am looking at adding surrounds to get 5.1.... for those of you who have or have used these speakers what do you recommend for the surrounds? the Imagine S doesn't seem like a good value to me with how the speaker is designed. Would a 2nd set of B's be the best solution or would the mini's sound similar enough? What do people use for atmos speakers with the Imagine line since they do not have atmos modules or anything. Would mounting Imagine Mini's on the ceiling be the best bet?
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PSB actually does/did make in-ceiling and in-wall speakers (Google is your friend). The important part is matching midrange and tweeters as close as possible, although most PSBs have a very similar tone/timbre. Some of us have used the CS500 or CS1000 "outdoor" speakers "on ceiling" since they have a swivel mounting bracket (they are essentially an Imagine B in an outdoor box). CLICK "THEATER" in my signature to see how I used PSB speakers in my setup. I've got B15s on a bookshelf in front next to the ceiling, S50s high on the side wall in the middle and CS500s on the rear ceiling. I use X1T towers for rear surrounds (since it fits in the corner where other models don't) and more B15s for side and wide surrounds with T45s as mains (L/C/R). The X1T and CS500 have the same drivers more or less. The rest are the previous "aluminum" based drivers without the clay-filled woofers, but still sound pretty darn similar. I can't tell any tone/timbre variations as sounds move around the room.

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Speaking from just a 5.1 perspective for the time being, what do people think about the Imagine T towers compared to the B's? If I can get a good deal on the T's are they a good purchase? They generally run for about 3k a pair in Canada but I've seen them at 50% off for 1.5k. A pair of B's comes to 1k after tax. Would the T's be noticeably better for the extra money?
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Speaking from just a 5.1 perspective for the time being, what do people think about the Imagine T towers compared to the B's? If I can get a good deal on the T's are they a good purchase? They generally run for about 3k a pair in Canada but I've seen them at 50% off for 1.5k. A pair of B's comes to 1k after tax. Would the T's be noticeably better for the extra money?
My cousin has Imagine T's as mains, an Imagine C center speaker, and Imagine S surrounds. I can't say how they compare in his room to Imagine B, though they do present an amazing soundstage for music and some music can be run without his sub. I can't see that happening with Imagine B.

That's a great price on them even there, I'd jump on the deal.

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I don't know why you can't see that happening with Imagine B..... They sound exactly the same save the bass extension, IMO. I used B15s as mains for years. T45s just had more bass. It makes sense since they have the same exact drivers (save the extra woofer on the T45). Higher end PSB speakers are more about the cabinets than the sound, IMO. They're all pretty neutral sounding.

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I think he meant "some music can be run without his sub" as the part that he couldn't see happening with the Imagine B. Which I think you are agreeing with?
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After talking with the dealer I was able to get a pair of T's for $1400 so I went for it. They ship out tomorrow
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After talking with the dealer I was able to get a pair of T's for $1400 so I went for it. They ship out tomorrow
Nice! Congratulations!

Some folks (like me) appreciate the look of floorstanding speakers rather than stand mount with stands. Others appreciate being able to use different stands to alter the total look.

Sound of course is what most important, and I just like the larger speakers in many (not all) lines for what the larger cabinet brings to the table.

Let us know how you like them and if you have any issues.

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I am just wondering what peoples thoughts are on plugging the port holes on the T's?

I have been running them without either one plugged and I don't really see any reason why I would plug one or both of them.(They came with 1 port plug each)

Is this just something that is completely subjective to each individuals room/ears as to whether they would plug them? Like Is there any advantage or anything to doing it?
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Fellow PSB owner here... I'm using an older pair of Alpha B in my computer setup, with a 10" Velodyne sub under the desk. I chose the Alphas for this task because they're not bright, making them great fit for nearfield listening.

I am still looking for a better mini amp to drive them. Right now I'm using an Onkyo mini-receiver from a little executive stereo system.

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I was wondering about the same thing about plugging the rear port on my bookshelf b6 speakers love to hear some feedback on that subject.
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None of my speakers came with plugs. Just experiment and see what sounds best to you. They're provided just to give some flexibility in your setup.
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Rencently got the X2T set with imagine Center.

So far it's a major upgrade over my GoldenEar Supersats.

Have a PSA Sub on order also to complete.

Loving the sound of them. Soundstage seems so wide even in stereo it feels like 5.1
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PSB updates the Alpha line. I'm glad to see they are continuing to work on speakers, not just headphones and subwoofers:


http://www.psbspeakers.com/articles/...eries-Speakers



Here's some more info


PSB revamps their Alpha line up;

https://www.soundstageglobal.com/in...ces-2019-psb-revamps-20-year-old-alpha-series

And a review of the Alpha P3;

https://www.soundstagehifi.com/inde...ms-for-high-sound-quality-at-a-very-low-price

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Hello everyone!
I was wondering if you as more experienced PSB users could help me by giving your opinion on what I want to do with my setup.
So my HT space is a 3,4*5 meters living-room, MLP is a couch right next to the wall. I'm now using LCR PSB T and C, but because the couch is right next to the wall (and isn't really repositionable), there is no suitable space for the rears. So I was thinking of just hanging PSB CS1000 on the wall behind to act like rears. Do you think that'd be alright sound wise or is it better to use Imagine B or XB series placed on a shelf?
Hopefully, I made it somewhat understandable as my English leaves to be desired)
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A review of the new PSB Alpha P5 bookshelf speakers hit yesterday.


https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...peaker-review/

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Hi all,


I bought my PSB speakers back around 2004 , and they are the only component of my first HT system that is STILL use.


Image 6T Towers,
Image 9C Centre ,
Image 2B Surrounds


A) How would the more current PSB speakers sound compared to these ?


B) Is it worth the cost of getting new speakers , or would the improvements in sound , not be too noticeable ?



I still quite like the speakers , one of my only critiques would be, that the highs can be a bit harsh in certain instances.




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Based on owning the T45, B15, S50 from the same line and the CS500 (Imagine B in an outdoor shell) and the X1T, I'd say minimal differences and probably not worth an upgrade. PSB models sound more alike than not (towers have more bass, of course) and the really high end models are more about the furniture grade than the improved sound, IMO (I'm pretty sure I read that in an interview with Paul) so you're talking pretty diminishing returns. Most are already rated +/- 1dB over most of the range.

I tried mixing a T45 as a center with the X1T as mains when I was still using a 6.1 Yamaha AVR setup and I could almost instantly switch between Pro Logic and stereo with a partial mono recording with vocals (starts out with no instruments) and hell if I could hear a difference between the T45 with aluminum tweeters and the X1T with titanium tweeters and clay filled woofers, at least with the vocals (harder to compare stereo since the T45 was in the center, but the phantom center overlapped perfectly with just the vocals. Pink noise did sound slightly different, but only slight.

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Hey, could you give any piece of advice on a question from my previous post please?) ty
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Based on owning the T45, B15, S50 from the same line and the CS500 (Imagine B in an outdoor shell) and the X1T, I'd say minimal differences and probably not worth an upgrade. PSB models sound more alike than not (towers have more bass, of course) and the really high end models are more about the furniture grade than the improved sound, IMO (I'm pretty sure I read that in an interview with Paul) so you're talking pretty diminishing returns. Most are already rated +/- 1dB over most of the range.

I tried mixing a T45 as a center with the X1T as mains when I was still using a 6.1 Yamaha AVR setup and I could almost instantly switch between Pro Logic and stereo with a partial mono recording with vocals (starts out with no instruments) and hell if I could hear a difference between the T45 with aluminum tweeters and the X1T with titanium tweeters and clay filled woofers, at least with the vocals (harder to compare stereo since the T45 was in the center, but the phantom center overlapped perfectly with just the vocals. Pink noise did sound slightly different, but only slight.
Hey, could you give any piece of advice on a question from my previous post please?) ty
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Hello everyone!
I was wondering if you as more experienced PSB users could help me by giving your opinion on what I want to do with my setup.
So my HT space is a 3,4*5 meters living-room, MLP is a couch right next to the wall. I'm now using LCR PSB T and C, but because the couch is right next to the wall (and isn't really repositionable), there is no suitable space for the rears. So I was thinking of just hanging PSB CS1000 on the wall behind to act like rears. Do you think that'd be alright sound wise or is it better to use Imagine B or XB series placed on a shelf?
Hopefully, I made it somewhat understandable as my English leaves to be desired)
Thanks in advance.
Alex, if you put them on a shelf would they be at the sides? or behind?
Either speaker would be a good match, i myself would probably use the imagines on shelves at the sides. You wouldnt want them too high up. you want the soundstage to be about the same height.
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I personally wouldn't put them on a shelf. That's a better place for a height speaker in an Atmos/X type system. If you have side surrounds alongside the couch, that will contain the rear information and put it beside or just behind you at the proper height. Not all systems need to be 7.1 based. A couch against the wall (which I used to have at my old house) is more suited for a 5.1 based system. You can add the shelf speakers and use that as rear height/tops speakers in a 5.1.4 type system. I think you'd like those results better, but you can always try it and see if you like it.

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I personally wouldn't put them on a shelf. That's a better place for a height speaker in an Atmos/X type system. If you have side surrounds alongside the couch, that will contain the rear information and put it beside or just behind you at the proper height. Not all systems need to be 7.1 based. A couch against the wall (which I used to have at my old house) is more suited for a 5.1 based system. You can add the shelf speakers and use that as rear height/tops speakers in a 5.1.4 type system. I think you'd like those results better, but you can always try it and see if you like it.
his original post indicated he had LCR and was looking to place the surrounds. im assuming that means a 5.1 system. thats why i recommended shelves at the same level as his fronts. think we need more info on his setup.
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his original post indicated he had LCR and was looking to place the surrounds. im assuming that means a 5.1 system. thats why i recommended shelves at the same level as his fronts. think we need more info on his setup.
Ah, I was assuming since he said "rears" he meant 7.1. A shelf at front level could be heard with a couch there. Just above ear level would be OK, although I'd still try to aim for the sides more than right above the couch (too much chance of hot-spotting unless maybe he used bipolars or something like the Imagine S). He could always throw ceiling speakers up some day if he wanted to go to Atmos/X.

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Thank you for Your answers. I have system 3.1. I was thinking of setting the CX 1000 as a surround. I understood that it is the bad idea. I buy from my dealer new Synchrony Two B (same color as Imagine and small price) and install them on the surround.
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How do I properly aim in-ceiling tweeters(CS650)?

Hey guys, I recently had a PSB Imagine X 5.1 set installed with CS650's as my surrounds. I noticed that one of my surrounds has the 1" titanium tweeter angled toward the couch while the other was pointed straight down. I'd like to make sure both are angled toward the couch but I want to make sure that I'm doing it properly.

I see that there is a logo on the tweeter. I don't know if there is some kind of axis that I need to be mindful of when angling the tweeter as it has the ability to rotate as well as angle. Any advice would be appreciated.
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I recently purchased a set of used PSB Stratus Bronze speakers and I'm thrilled with my purchase!

I want to build a 5.1 system - what are your recommendations for subwoofer, center speaker and surrounds that would work well with the Stratus Bronze?

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