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Can't wait to place my behemoth rf7ii....lol
Look at that good looking HT room!!! I'm sure your RF-7II's are already shaking in boxes they can't wait to start dancing in that pretty room
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I know you guys buy/sell used gear here, but towers are usually pretty expensive and a pain in the ass to ship items like towers and ebay/amazon take a good chunk of commission. Are there a lot of local buyers on these forums for flipping Klipsch speakers when it's time for upgraditus? I know CL has a lot of lowballers when it comes to high-priced items.

And I was looking forward to my RC-52/RS-52 setup

Try CL and here first. You can always throw the center on ebay, put $35 for shipping cost, that's what it cost to ship mine ups. The towers will be tough cause of shipping if you go ebay. You'd be better finding a friend and getting a little cash, and maybe getting another guy into the hobby

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I know you guys buy/sell used gear here, but towers are usually pretty expensive and a pain in the ass to ship items like towers and ebay/amazon take a good chunk of commission. Are there a lot of local buyers on these forums for flipping Klipsch speakers when it's time for upgraditus? I know CL has a lot of lowballers when it comes to high-priced items.

And I was looking forward to my RC-52/RS-52 setup
Towers are much better to sell here or on CL local. eBay is terrible with their fees and shipping is expensive. On CL is a bunch of spams but very easy to recognize it. I sold some items on CL and some was not cheap and you can find there local good people and here even better on AVS is a lot of guys what you can trust even of you don't know them well.

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going to be awesome man, i cant wait until i can get started on my basement.
you are getting a lot of work done pretty quick!
you'll be listening soon
Evan and darkcrusader (anyone) look at this link and scroll down at some of these rooms and read the do's and don't when setting up a new HT room. I am sure you guys know all this but I thought it was a good read. http://www.audioholics.com/home-thea...ommon-mistakes Center speaker placement , subs and how they react to placement etc and the size of screen for where you set ratio. Where you set vs where your ears are to the mid drivers. There are some cool looking rooms in this link with different speakers that are NOT placed correctly. Both of you have rooms that are going to look and sound great. Enjoy guys and post up pic's as you build.
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Evan and darkcrusader (anyone) look at this link and scroll down at some of these rooms and read the do's and don't when setting up a new HT room. I am sure you guys know all this but I thought it was a good read. http://www.audioholics.com/home-thea...ommon-mistakes Center speaker placement , subs and how they react to placement etc and the size of screen for where you set ratio. Where you set vs where your ears are to the mid drivers. There are some cool looking rooms in this link with different speakers that are NOT placed correctly. Both of you have rooms that are going to look and sound great. Enjoy guys and post up pic's as you build.
That is a good reading what you find, going to read it all tonight always something new to learn
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Evan and darkcrusader (anyone) look at this link and scroll down at some of these rooms and read the do's and don't when setting up a new HT room. I am sure you guys know all this but I thought it was a good read. http://www.audioholics.com/home-thea...ommon-mistakes Center speaker placement , subs and how they react to placement etc and the size of screen for where you set ratio. Where you set vs where your ears are to the mid drivers. There are some cool looking rooms in this link with different speakers that are NOT placed correctly. Both of you have rooms that are going to look and sound great. Enjoy guys and post up pic's as you build.
thanks for the link, that was a good read.
i liked the picture with the tiny JBLs as mains in that big room.
i really want to get going on my basement.
i know for sure i am going to do a AT screen and a false wall for the front stage. The rest is unknown at this point lol
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Good read, learning is a never ending process. Thanks for the post.
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I'm cutting the lawn...
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It's Eric @ SD...
7/64 Cherry Combo Available...
Open box, scratch & dent...
Unbelievable deal...
Can't say no...
Order placed...
Joining the 7/64 club...
Arrived at Ref II end game...
Thanks Retro & Eric...
Waiting begins...
Congrats gene4ht, that is amazing, I'm glad you got it hard to say no to deal like that right? Waiting is not that bad, you still have your current system it is making all much easier. You will be very surprised how good system is. Add some pictures for sure !!!!
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Congrats gene4ht, that is amazing, I'm glad you got it hard to say no to deal like that right? Waiting is not that bad, you still have your current system it is making all much easier. You will be very surprised how good system is. Add some pictures for sure !!!!
Thanks! And I love surprises! I'll post pictures after setting up...thanks again!

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Thanks! And I love surprises! I'll post pictures after setting up...thanks again!
Glad I could help, looks like you will have now whole Reference II speaker line with your current set up

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I know we have moved on from the sub debate but what are the klipsch THX subs with the klipsch amp like in comparison to the other subs you have mentioned?

I have the bug to upgrade from the 15" once my RF7's arrive but I'm confused and not sure...

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So many people like to cross their speakers at 80hz and lower just because their speakers are capable. I always crossed at 80hz, but a few months ago raised my crossover to 100hz. I'll never go back. My speakers are so much more crisp and detailed. I get no localization what so ever from my subs. If you have a capable sub(s) let them do what they were designed to do and handle the bass. This also puts less strain on your receiver or amplifier because it doesn't have to work so hard. if you have your sub(s) next to your mains I urge you to try this out. Just my 2 cents.....
This is a blerb I pulled from Audioholics and just reinforces what I said before about the benefits of employing a higher crossover. Just stumbled upon it and thought I would share.

Also, removing 80 Hz and below from your LCRs enhances their power handling, reduces their mid-bass distortion by means of lower excursion (and less Amplitude Modulation, and (this is important) frees up more amplifier power to drive the main speakers. Let your subs do the heavy lifting. The Doppler Effect can best be illustrated by the sound of a train whistle as the train approaches; changing in pitch as the train goes by. This is due to the speed of sound plus the speed of the train changing to the speed of sound minus the speed of the train. A vigorously moving speaker cone reproducing low frequencies is subject to Doppler in the higher frequencies.

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Just an update. I watched Pacific Rim pretty loudly Wed night, and while things sound good, they seemed to sound on top of each other if that makes sense. I know originally it was recommended to me to try the fronts outside the subs, but last time I tried that with the 82ii's I was not pleased (also did not have an AVR with XT32).

So, I did this last night, and will do some testing this weekend:



I am also going to order a calibrated Umik-1 from cross spectrum and get REW. Not as much to calibrate on my own (because i'd need a PEQ), but to check behind audyssey and see how subwoofer/speaker changes affect results.
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This is a blerb I pulled from Audioholics and just reinforces what I said before about the benefits of employing a higher crossover. Just stumbled upon it and thought I would share.

Also, removing 80 Hz and below from your LCRs enhances their power handling, reduces their mid-bass distortion by means of lower excursion (and less Amplitude Modulation, and (this is important) frees up more amplifier power to drive the main speakers. Let your subs do the heavy lifting. The Doppler Effect can best be illustrated by the sound of a train whistle as the train approaches; changing in pitch as the train goes by. This is due to the speed of sound plus the speed of the train changing to the speed of sound minus the speed of the train. A vigorously moving speaker cone reproducing low frequencies is subject to Doppler in the higher frequencies.
I did try it (60hz on LCR) recently when I got the 64II setup and made a couple of observations:

Clarity was fine at loud volumes, but I think power amp helps here
It got the deep center sounds out of the subs (annoyance)
Overall oooomph, mainly on the center, seemed diminished


This tells me, while fixing getting the center sounds out of the subs, at least where I could tell they were coming from the subs, I just lost some center horsepower. So IMO, you take the lesser of two evils and that is running all at 80hz in my situation. After listening to loud 2 channel music, I have no doubt the 7II's can do 60hz all day long.

Maybe once I get REW I can jump off into this further where center at 80hz and fronts at 60hz is a better move.

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Just an update. I watched Pacific Rim pretty loudly Wed night, and while things sound good, they seemed to sound on top of each other if that makes sense. I know originally it was recommended to me to try the fronts outside the subs, but last time I tried that with the 82ii's I was not pleased (also did not have an AVR with XT32).

So, I did this last night, and will do some testing this weekend:



I am also going to order a calibrated Umik-1 from cross spectrum and get REW. Not as much to calibrate on my own (because i'd need a PEQ), but to check behind audyssey and see how subwoofer/speaker changes affect results.
Looks good. I'm thinking that will help the overlapping effect.
I'm going to see what I can do with REW and a umik also.
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I am guessing, while you do not want them too far apart, if you have them too close together it creates a mono effect vs a 2 channel (someone has said as much to me too).

With that configuration, the fronts are 10.5' apart and 10.3' from the MLP. I still have a slight toe in as well. Not exactly at the MLP, but more a spot a couple of feet behind it. I also wonder if the fronts too on of the 64II didnt help things.

Since I have to level adjust now after running XT32, the umik will be perfect, and I want to do more investigating on sub trim levels. I still think audyssey sets the sub too low.

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I was able to setup my speakers and run audyssey from my onkyo receiver. But I think the sound coming from my speakers are low on 60+ volume.

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^^^ Gadget I have a UMIK-1 on it's way to me. I can't wait to actually see what my speakers and subs are doing. They sound great to me, but that doesn't necessarily mean I am getting everything I can out of them.

P.S. your setup looks great. I think it looks better with the grills on. They seem to be less distracting, but at the same time you and everyone else know that those are some big speakers and subs underneath.
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Just an update. I watched Pacific Rim pretty loudly Wed night, and while things sound good, they seemed to sound on top of each other if that makes sense. I know originally it was recommended to me to try the fronts outside the subs, but last time I tried that with the 82ii's I was not pleased (also did not have an AVR with XT32).

So, I did this last night, and will do some testing this weekend:



I am also going to order a calibrated Umik-1 from cross spectrum and get REW. Not as much to calibrate on my own (because i'd need a PEQ), but to check behind audyssey and see how subwoofer/speaker changes affect results.
Looks great like this as well. Let me know how do you like this set up now, I'm thinking to move tower out as well, after I will get proper TV stand for RC-64II. I do have Umik home as well, it is just more paint in the ... to work with it and Mac. So I will try it again then I will have more free time to do so.
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^^^ Gadget I have a UMIK-1 on it's way to me. I can't wait to actually see what my speakers and subs are doing. They sound great to me, but that doesn't necessarily mean I am getting everything I can out of them.

P.S. your setup looks great. I think it looks better with the grills on. They seem to be less distracting, but at the same time you and everyone else know that those are some big speakers and subs underneath.
IMO, $100 plus some donation fee software to be able to see what audyssey is doing is money well spent! Especially when you consider HT costs. Maybe we can start a Klipsch waterfall thread LOL.

I do think it looks less gaudy with the covers on. Nudie pics are nice for the wow factor, but I have two bulldogs and leaving them unprotected is a no no. They manage to get slobber on my plasma screen as it is...
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IMO, $100 plus some donation fee software to be able to see what audyssey is doing is money well spent! Especially when you consider HT costs. Maybe we can start a Klipsch waterfall thread LOL.

I do think it looks less gaudy with the covers on. Nudie pics are nice for the wow factor, but I have two bulldogs and leaving them unprotected is a no no. They manage to get slobber on my plasma screen as it is...
money well spent for sure, i hope i can help MCACC out with REW and the UMIK-1.
XT32 does a much better job so you will have a good starting point for sure.

i have a german shepard and a boxer so i know how you feel on that lol

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IMO, $100 plus some donation fee software to be able to see what audyssey is doing is money well spent! Especially when you consider HT costs. Maybe we can start a Klipsch waterfall thread LOL.

I do think it looks less gaudy with the covers on. Nudie pics are nice for the wow factor, but I have two bulldogs and leaving them unprotected is a no no. They manage to get slobber on my plasma screen as it is...

I have a tan and white English bulldog and she likes to sleep with her back on my 82's, damn dog hair! Hey, but she is obviously a Klipsch lover
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I can have RF-7II without covers all day long. Our cat don't care at all and for our Yorkie jump that high is dream what never come truth
No he will be able to reach first woofer but he never care to jump on speakers, sofa or bed yes but no speakers or subs.

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I am guessing, while you do not want them too far apart, if you have them too close together it creates a mono effect vs a 2 channel (someone has said as much to me too).

With that configuration, the fronts are 10.5' apart and 10.3' from the MLP. I still have a slight toe in as well. Not exactly at the MLP, but more a spot a couple of feet behind it. I also wonder if the fronts too on of the 64II didnt help things.

Since I have to level adjust now after running XT32, the umik will be perfect, and I want to do more investigating on sub trim levels. I still think audyssey sets the sub too low.
Interesting that my 7's are also 10.5' apart and 10.3' from the MLP after XT32. I have my SB13 Ultra on the inside as well.
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Interesting that my 7's are also 10.5' apart and 10.3' from the MLP after XT32. I have my SB13 Ultra on the inside as well.
thats weird lol
exact same measurements.

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Thats pretty wild!

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RC-62II on the way.
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Thank you, enjoy it my friend now your front stage is set up for while. What are you going to do with your old speakers?

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Thank you, enjoy it my friend now your front stage is set up for while. What are you going to do with your old speakers?
I'm selling them. I think I already have a buyer for the kg 5.5s tomorrow
Haven't put the rc-25 up for sale yet.
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Welp, spreading them out fixed it! Got XT32 run, level matched everything and watched some DVR's.

Using CSI as an example for 5.1, the center sounds like it is coming from the screen. When the fronts are playing the same thing, they sound balanced, but when they aren't, you can tell where stuff is coming from. For example, at a police station, sirens were heard outside out of the front right while someone typing on a keyboard was clear as day out of the left.

When in stereo, if I stand at the MLP, it actually sounds like the sound is coming from the screen, not the left and right fronts. Perfectly balanced.
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