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How heavy a TV can you put on top of the Rp-450c
I have a 70 inch Sharp Elite 95lbs
Is it doable?
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How heavy a TV can you put on top of the Rp-450c
I have a 70 inch Sharp Elite 95lbs
Is it doable?
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Not a direct answer I know but I had an LG 50'' on my rc62ii and now have a Sony 55'' on my rc64ii. Most would advise against it, me I am not sure..

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I had a sony system for a while which was replaced by a Boss about 8 years ago. Recently I upgraded to RF Series. It was a game changer for me. Especially the dialogues (Dynamic Range) are clear. This is one thing I hate about Boss. Dialogues simply vanish in the air if my heater is running. You are going to RP. So it would be great compared to Sony. If you still have the Sony receiver(AVR) you can use them. I did that before buying my Denon. Receiver is good. Of course mine was very old system. No htmi at all. Just used co-axial cables but still produced amazing sound with RF-82s. You will not be disappointed.
ts my friends and it is not even a receiver- it is one of those horrible all in one mini systems with tuner, cd player and baby plastic speakers. Sad thing is he loves it.I have not heard rp series yet but I will be setting his system up for him and am looking forward to hearing both 2 ch music and movie performance.

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As of right now my set up is

2 280FA front
1 150CA center
1 115W subwoofer
2 250S for surround

Im planning on adding two more rear speakers, should I go with 2 more of 250 S or should I get tower speaker likes 280 or 260 F for it?
I like towers haha. 7.1 specs require monopoles for rear surrounds and atmos I believe require monopoles all around.

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Oh, I'm not sure if they're brighter. They do have a larger horn and larger woofer, so they'll likely be more sensitive and go deeper, even if the specs say otherwise. As far as brightness, that's something you have to test out yourself. The specs honestly don't tell you much about sound signature. You would need frequency response graph at the least to get a hint, and I don't think I've seen any produced for this line by reviewers.
I ended up going to y local BestBuy to exchange the R14M's for their "big Brother's" the R15M. The speakers look huge on my desk, they are as tall as the iMac itself on their stands. This ones have great bass, I love it. The highs, however are really overpowering, they literally went over to the other extreme compared to that of the R14M's. I just don't like how big they are, I feel they look awkward. I finally tried Klipsch and I think they are not for me, at least not while being so close.
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Belated, but thank you!

I touched base with Eric at Sound Distributors and placed my order. The prices were good enough that I went for a 7.2 system and receiver:

2 Klipsch RP-280F Tower Speakers
1 Klipsch RP-450c Center Speaker
2 Klipsch R-115SW Subwoofers
4 Klipsch RP-250S Surround Speakers
1 Denon AVR-X4200W Receiver

Should be shipping today, very excited to receive everything!
Wow! You will be in an entire new universe with this set vs a HTiB. You definitely need to post pics once they are setup.
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Power Sound Audio: 2 V3600i dual 18" subs; SVS: sub interconnects; Klipsch: 4 R-115SW subs, 5 RF-7 IIs (center, front mains & side surrounds), 6 RB-81 IIs (front wide, front height & rear surrounds); Belden: 10 AWG copper speaker wire; Sewell Direct: Deadbolt banana plugs; ATI Morris Kessler Signature amps: AT6005 & AT4006; Mogami Gold: interconnects; Marantz Pre-amp: AV8802A; Oppo: UDP-203; Roku Ultra; PS4; APC; Mid Atlantic: RCS-27U rack w/fans; Epson: 5040UBe projector; Elite: 125" AT screen.

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Hi guys,

New to the forum. Can someone please provide feedback, comments on powering the following Klipsch speakers:

Klipsch:
4 Klipsch R-115SW powered subwoofers
1 Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker
2 Klipsch RF-7 II front floorstanding speakers
2 Klipsch RF-7 II front wide floorstanding speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II front height surround speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II side surround speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II rear surround speakers

Option #1: I am considering using the two Emotiva XPA-2 300W RMS x 2 channels to power each pair of Klipsch RF-7 II which are rated at 250W RMS and one Emotiva XPA-7 200W RMS X 7 channels to power the Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker rated at 200W RMS and the six Klipsch RB-81 surrounds rated at 150W RMS. Are there any reference series amps from Emotiva that would be a good match for my speakers?

Option #2: Use two NAD Masters Series M22 amps 250W RMS X 2 channels ($3,000 each, $6,000 for both) and one NAD Masters Series M27 amp 180W RMS X 7 channels ($4,000)?

Can you recommend a better amp solution for these Klipsch speakers for a budget of $10,000 (amps only). Any help would be appreciated.

Power Sound Audio: 2 V3600i dual 18" subs; SVS: sub interconnects; Klipsch: 4 R-115SW subs, 5 RF-7 IIs (center, front mains & side surrounds), 6 RB-81 IIs (front wide, front height & rear surrounds); Belden: 10 AWG copper speaker wire; Sewell Direct: Deadbolt banana plugs; ATI Morris Kessler Signature amps: AT6005 & AT4006; Mogami Gold: interconnects; Marantz Pre-amp: AV8802A; Oppo: UDP-203; Roku Ultra; PS4; APC; Mid Atlantic: RCS-27U rack w/fans; Epson: 5040UBe projector; Elite: 125" AT screen.

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I ended up going to y local BestBuy to exchange the R14M's for their "big Brother's" the R15M. The speakers look huge on my desk, they are as tall as the iMac itself on their stands. This ones have great bass, I love it. The highs, however are really overpowering, they literally went over to the other extreme compared to that of the R14M's. I just don't like how big they are, I feel they look awkward. I finally tried Klipsch and I think they are not for me, at least not while being so close.
I'm confused; do you not like the size of the speakers or the sound? Your first few posts indicate you were upset that the R14M's weren't bright, and when advice was presented that you may get better highs from the 15's, you exchanged them. What exactly are you looking for in your speaker?

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I ended up going to my local BestBuy to exchange the R14M's for their "big Brother's" the R15M. The speakers look huge on my desk, they are as tall as the iMac itself on their stands.

This ones have great bass, I love it. The highs, however are really overpowering, they literally went over to the other extreme compared to that of the R14M's. I just don't like how big they are, I feel they look awkward. I finally tried Klipsch and I think they are not for me, at least not while being so close.
My Klipsch computer speakers have dual 12" woofers! Of course they aren't on my desktop, but they sound pretty good nearfield to me. What I'm trying to say is that bigger is better.

Remember when a 19" video monitor was huge? I strongly suggest you give yourself some time to get used to the look of the new speakers, it's all relative.

Let the speakers break in for a bit (they may not even need that), then dial them in to your taste using the computer's built-in EQ (my Win 7 has built-in EQ software). Remember that the room has a huge influence on how your speakers sound. Some room treatment might be in order. I have some sound deadening material behind my speakers, and I hung some towel-like material on the walls in my bedroom sized Mancave to deal with the reflective surfaces. It also makes a big difference if the door is open or closed, so do some experimenting, I think it will help.
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I'm confused; do you not like the size of the speakers or the sound? Your first few posts indicate you were upset that the R14M's weren't bright, and when advice was presented that you may get better highs from the 15's, you exchanged them. What exactly are you looking for in your speaker?
The speakers themselves are nice looking, the same cannot be said about their sound IMO. The R15M's are sitting on a pair of Audioengine D2 angled stands, so the horns are definitely ear level when compared to those of the more shorter R14M. I believe that's why they R15M's sounded way brighter. After a while I developed a headache something I have never experienced with any other speaker. Like I said, I tried it and it wasn't for me, that doesn't mean the are low quality. The settings on the receiver were set to straight right after running the Yamaha's ypao and even with that the sound was just not right for me.
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R-28F sounds find to me and I am no audiophile but enjoy good clean sound. I am looking for as close a timbre match for my center channel as possible. I am looking at a higher quality Klipsch center but afraid the RP-450C wont match up well based on what I have read about timbre matching. I know that the R-25C is the best match but I am looking for more out of my center than what the R-25C can offer...at least I think so.

The specs on the RP-450C

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 58-25kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 97dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 500Hz/1500Hz

The specs on the R-28F...

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 35Hz - 24kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible
LOW FREQUENCY EXTENSION 32Hz
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 1800Hz

If this requires a totally new post, let me know and will adjust accordingly...Thanks in advance!
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Option #1: I am considering using the two Emotiva XPA-2 300W RMS x 2 channels to power each pair of Klipsch RF-7 II which are rated at 250W RMS and one Emotiva XPA-7 200W RMS X 7 channels to power the Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker rated at 200W RMS and the six Klipsch RB-81 surrounds rated at 150W RMS. Are there any reference series amps from Emotiva that would be a good match for my speakers?
Really depends on the size of your room and desired average output levels.

Some would categorize this advice as blasphemous yet personally I would say the two XPA-2s is a bit excessive, in fact you maybe just fine using one XPA-5 to power your four RF-7IIs. Place the savings elsewhere.

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Hi guys,

New to the forum. Can someone please provide feedback, comments on powering the following Klipsch speakers:

Klipsch:
4 Klipsch R-115SW powered subwoofers
1 Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker
2 Klipsch RF-7 II front floorstanding speakers
2 Klipsch RF-7 II front wide floorstanding speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II front height surround speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II side surround speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II rear surround speakers

Option #1: I am considering using the two Emotiva XPA-2 300W RMS x 2 channels to power each pair of Klipsch RF-7 II which are rated at 250W RMS and one Emotiva XPA-7 200W RMS X 7 channels to power the Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker rated at 200W RMS and the six Klipsch RB-81 surrounds rated at 150W RMS. Are there any reference series amps from Emotiva that would be a good match for my speakers?

Option #2: Use two NAD Masters Series M22 amps 250W RMS X 2 channels ($3,000 each, $6,000 for both) and one NAD Masters Series M27 amp 180W RMS X 7 channels ($4,000)?

Can you recommend a better amp solution for these Klipsch speakers for a budget of $10,000 (amps only). Any help would be appreciated.
Ideally, you want the same power going to all of your speakers so you can get the level matched.

As far as amps go, I love ATI (ati-amp.com). American designed and built. Morris Kessler knows how to design amps. They are beasts. Shortly I will be going to a new AT2007 (200X7). My AT1505 (150X5) is still rocking after 15 years.
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Hey all,
This is my first post in AVSForums.
I am huge fan of Klipsch Reference Series. I don't know about other series in Klipsch as I have never auditioned them anywhere.
The first demo of Klipsch I had was RF 82s, about 3 yrs ago, since then wanted to get hold of them.
Since long I've been using Onkyo HTiB. Recently I started upgrading my HT system, started with buying Klipsch Reference Premiere series RP 280 Floorstanding.
Awesome performance !!!!
Next upgrade will be
Klipsch RP450C Center
Klipsch RS 250S Surrounds
Already placed order and waiting for the delivery of SVS PB 13 Ultra.
Everything powered with Denon X4000 AVR
Projector: Optoma HD141X projecting on a 100" instalock screen.
I am planning to place an order for the Center and surrounds today actually
That's all for now
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Hi guys,

New to the forum. Can someone please provide feedback, comments on powering the following Klipsch speakers:

Klipsch:
4 Klipsch R-115SW powered subwoofers
1 Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker
2 Klipsch RF-7 II front floorstanding speakers
2 Klipsch RF-7 II front wide floorstanding speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II front height surround speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II side surround speakers
2 Klipsch RB-81 II rear surround speakers

Option #1: I am considering using the two Emotiva XPA-2 300W RMS x 2 channels to power each pair of Klipsch RF-7 II which are rated at 250W RMS and one Emotiva XPA-7 200W RMS X 7 channels to power the Klipsch RC-64 II center speaker rated at 200W RMS and the six Klipsch RB-81 surrounds rated at 150W RMS. Are there any reference series amps from Emotiva that would be a good match for my speakers?

Option #2: Use two NAD Masters Series M22 amps 250W RMS X 2 channels ($3,000 each, $6,000 for both) and one NAD Masters Series M27 amp 180W RMS X 7 channels ($4,000)?

Can you recommend a better amp solution for these Klipsch speakers for a budget of $10,000 (amps only). Any help would be appreciated.
That is some nice gear you have there! I would use the 2nd pair rf7s as surrounds though and use rb81s as front wides.
I run a lower end NAD 275 on my rf83s and that is a good amp. The masters series is a dream at least at this stage for me. I don't think you would need all that power but those 7s would sure sing. Maybe Masters series on the 7s and emotiva on the 81s or if money is not an issue sure Masters all around.
What are you using as a pre/pro?
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My Klipsch computer speakers have dual 12" woofers! Of course they aren't on my desktop, but they sound pretty good nearfield to me. What I'm trying to say is that bigger is better.

Remember when a 19" video monitor was huge? I strongly suggest you give yourself some time to get used to the look of the new speakers, it's all relative.

Let the speakers break in for a bit (they may not even need that), then dial them in to your taste using the computer's built-in EQ (my Win 7 has built-in EQ software). Remember that the room has a huge influence on how your speakers sound. Some room treatment might be in order. I have some sound deadening material behind my speakers, and I hung some towel-like material on the walls in my bedroom sized Mancave to deal with the reflective surfaces. It also makes a big difference if the door is open or closed, so do some experimenting, I think it will help.
Triple 8'' woofers in my computer speakers lol or rather my pc has been incorporated into my system. Was originally going to keep separate but as I do not watch tv anymore I could not do without it.
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R-28F sounds find to me and I am no audiophile but enjoy good clean sound. I am looking for as close a timbre match for my center channel as possible. I am looking at a higher quality Klipsch center but afraid the RP-450C wont match up well based on what I have read about timbre matching. I know that the R-25C is the best match but I am looking for more out of my center than what the R-25C can offer...at least I think so.

The specs on the RP-450C

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 58-25kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 97dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 500Hz/1500Hz

The specs on the R-28F...

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 35Hz - 24kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible
LOW FREQUENCY EXTENSION 32Hz
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 1800Hz

If this requires a totally new post, let me know and will adjust accordingly...Thanks in advance!
In some cases the increased sound quality outweighs any timbre match issues. RP 450c should be fine or you could try to find a rc62ii. In the future you could buy the matching towers and have a kick ass surround setup.

(2)RF-83 (1)RC-64ii (2)RF-82ii (2)RC-62ii
(2)Exodus audio tempest-x 15" subs in 200l sealed enclosures
Onkyo 705 pre/pro and rear surrounds
DSPeaker Antimode 8033 sub eq Behringer EP4000 subs
NAD C275BEE mains
AMC 2N100-3 surrounds and center
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Hey all,
This is my first post in AVSForums.
I am huge fan of Klipsch Reference Series. I don't know about other series in Klipsch as I have never auditioned them anywhere.
The first demo of Klipsch I had was RF 82s, about 3 yrs ago, since then wanted to get hold of them.
Since long I've been using Onkyo HTiB. Recently I started upgrading my HT system, started with buying Klipsch Reference Premiere series RP 280 Floorstanding.
Awesome performance !!!!
Next upgrade will be
Klipsch RP450C Center
Klipsch RS 250S Surrounds
Already placed order and waiting for the delivery of SVS PB 13 Ultra.
Everything powered with Denon X4000 AVR
Projector: Optoma HD141X projecting on a 100" instalock screen.
I am planning to place an order for the Center and surrounds today actually
That's all for now
Cheers,
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Very nice setup you will have there. Please post pics and let us know how it all sounds!
I still have yet to hear rp speakers, very interested to hear the different horn.
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Onkyo 705 pre/pro and rear surrounds
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Very nice setup you will have there. Please post pics and let us know how it all sounds!

I still have yet to hear rp speakers, very interested to hear the different horn.

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I will post a different thread for my HT setup, I will share the link when I start a thread for my HT Room


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With all of these new Klipsch floor standers, like the RF7ii's - wow, being mentioned lately, I sheepishly mention my latest acquisition - a pair of R-15M's. I found them on Amazon while looking for another pair of the earlier version - the KB-15 - for ~$130, like the ones that started my K.-madness last February. No such deal on Amazon - but the newer R-15M's were $124 shipped free (Prime)! I am now wondering about their price, as after I reported them here at that price, they changed to $214 + s/h. No matter, as I had a pair here by Saturday - and at $124! They arrived in good shape, save a small puncture in the box. The two-for packaging had the grilles boxed within. I placed the grilles on using their press in posts to secure the grille. I like the magnetic posts of my recent RB-81ii's better, of course. Sadly, the larger bookshelf K.'s are all I have to A-B the R-15M's against, as I removed my NHT SuperOne 2.1's in order to connect the R-15M's. My 11' x 12' carpeted home office stereo has a pair of Onkyo's - a C-7030 CDP and TX-8020 stereo 50 Wpc receiver, which also has a BR disc player and the PC's sound card attached as well.


I've listened to my usual music - Bonnie Raitt, Paul Simon, Chicago, Marc Cohn, Dave Brubeck, Stan Getz, etc... probably 24+ hours on the R-15M's now. The larger RB81ii's are more sensitive and have more mids & highs, with a lower bass improvement, too. All was as expected - except for the R-15M's uncanny ability to reproduce highs - like cymbals and piano overtones - as if out of the darkness. They are very listenable speakers - without the subwoofer I have - a JBL SUB 550P. With it on and the RB-81ii's, I really enjoyed 'Master and Commander' (Russell Crowe) in my office recently! Music is great with either speaker - the R-15M's would need no apologies in a small system. They will shortly be taken to my upstairs hobby room, where they will replace a pair of KB-15's, which will become my rear speakers there. I should add that, at 67, I have a documented mid-frequency (3-4 kHz) deficit and an early (>11 kHz) roll-off - no doubt due to a life of loud noises. Add to that my tinnitus, ie, I always have something to listen to, and perhaps you'll understand my liking normally considered 'bright' speakers. The R-15M's were a great buy - and were still $124.95/pr as recently as yesterday at BB's site.
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I'm confused; do you not like the size of the speakers or the sound? Your first few posts indicate you were upset that the R14M's weren't bright, and when advice was presented that you may get better highs from the 15's, you exchanged them. What exactly are you looking for in your speaker?
The speakers themselves are nice looking, the same cannot be said about their sound IMO. The R15M's are sitting on a pair of Audioengine D2 angled stands, so the horns are definitely ear level when compared to those of the more shorter R14M. I believe that's why they R15M's sounded way brighter. After a while I developed a headache something I have never experienced with any other speaker. Like I said, I tried it and it wasn't for me, that doesn't mean the are low quality. The settings on the receiver were set to straight right after running the Yamaha's ypao and even with that the sound was just not right for me.
Hmm, you set the receiver to straight? Is that similar to direct? If so, that probably overrides YPAO, if I'm understanding what you're saying correctly.
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R-28F sounds find to me and I am no audiophile but enjoy good clean sound. I am looking for as close a timbre match for my center channel as possible. I am looking at a higher quality Klipsch center but afraid the RP-450C wont match up well based on what I have read about timbre matching. I know that the R-25C is the best match but I am looking for more out of my center than what the R-25C can offer...at least I think so.

The specs on the RP-450C

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 58-25kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 97dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 500Hz/1500Hz

The specs on the R-28F...

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 35Hz - 24kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK) 150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 Ohms Compatible
LOW FREQUENCY EXTENSION 32Hz
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 1800Hz

If this requires a totally new post, let me know and will adjust accordingly...Thanks in advance!
I faced the same dilemma with the R25C and R28F. I ended up finding a used Klipsch Academy, and it has served me well. I think youll be good with any Klipsch center that can keep up with your towers, including the 450c. The 450c may be a little more "laid back" than your towers, but likely not significantly so.
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ts my friends and it is not even a receiver- it is one of those horrible all in one mini systems with tuner, cd player and baby plastic speakers. Sad thing is he loves it.I have not heard rp series yet but I will be setting his system up for him and am looking forward to hearing both 2 ch music and movie performance.
Your friend going to love the new HT system what you have recommended. Get a decent receiver to power them up. Mostly these speakers produce enough bass. I myself don't have a sub.

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Hmm, you set the receiver to straight? Is that similar to direct? If so, that probably overrides YPAO, if I'm understanding what you're saying correctly.
My guess is no, not Direct Mode. It sounds like his YPAO set the EQ at flat, which would be straight across. This produced a sound he said was not right for him.

My suggestion still stands, he should fiddle with the EQ until it sounds good, or at least better to his ears. For nearfield I tend to run the bass a bit hot and roll of the top end just a tad, with maybe a small boost in the middle (bell curve skewed on the lower end).

The exact settings should be set by what his ears are telling him with his speakers in his room, which is different from mine, at a sound level at which he is comfortable.

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Really depends on the size of your room and desired average output levels.

Some would categorize this advice as blasphemous yet personally I would say the two XPA-2s is a bit excessive, in fact you maybe just fine using one XPA-5 to power your four RF-7IIs. Place the savings elsewhere.

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Thank you for the reply. The room is approx 20X20. I would at times like to reach concert levels. I just spoke with the Emotiva tech support and they said if I use the XPA-2 and XPA-7 with my Klipsch Reference Series II speakers there will be a buzzing and it can be heard up to 2 feet from the speakers.

Should I be concerned by this or is it normal regardless of what amp is used with these Klipsch speakers? For example, if I used the NAD Masters Series amps or some other brand will I hear the same buzzing?

Also, I have 11 speakers. Can you please clarify what amps you are recommending? Thanks.

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Ideally, you want the same power going to all of your speakers so you can get the level matched.

As far as amps go, I love ATI (ati-amp.com). American designed and built. Morris Kessler knows how to design amps. They are beasts. Shortly I will be going to a new AT2007 (200X7). My AT1505 (150X5) is still rocking after 15 years.
So, regarding the level matching. If I have two 2 channel amps that were 300W RMS powering the 2 pair of front towers and one 7 channel amp that is 200W RMS it would be an issue level matching the speakers? If I went with the NAD Masters series, the two 2 channel amps are only 250W RMS while the one 7 channel amp is 200W RMS. Does that eliminate the level matching issue?

I will research ATI amps as well. Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it.

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So, regarding the level matching. If I have two 2 channel amps that were 300W RMS powering the 2 pair of front towers and one 7 channel amp that is 200W RMS it would be an issue level matching the speakers? If I went with the NAD Masters series, the two 2 channel amps are only 250W RMS while the one 7 channel amp is 200W RMS. Does that eliminate the level matching issue?

I will research ATI amps as well. Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it.
Level-matching the speakers is basically having all of your speakers putting out the same dB's no matter what the volume is set to. Obviously, a more powerful amp will drown out an amp with less power. Can't do that with amps of different output power.
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That is some nice gear you have there! I would use the 2nd pair rf7s as surrounds though and use rb81s as front wides.
I run a lower end NAD 275 on my rf83s and that is a good amp. The masters series is a dream at least at this stage for me. I don't think you would need all that power but those 7s would sure sing. Maybe Masters series on the 7s and emotiva on the 81s or if money is not an issue sure Masters all around.
What are you using as a pre/pro?
So, you recommend moving one pair of the RF-7 II to the side surrounds? Can you please advise why (just so I can learn something new)? I thought at times I would be able to listen to music using both pair of RF-7 IIs in the front and front wide positions. Are there drawbacks to that option?

The NAD option is a dram for me too! I have been hooked on home theater for approx 30 years now. If I get the two masters amps for the 7s and the one masters amp for the other 7 speakers it falls within my budget. I would then get the matching pre-amp the following year.

Another question I was hoping you guys could advise me on is the Masters amps are class D and the Emotiva are class AB. Is the Masters series option I posted still better? One thing I can add is I just spoke with the Emotiva tech guys and they said if I use their amps I will hear a buzzinf on my Klipsch Reference Series II speakers because they have a high sensitivity. Will that be true for all amp brands? Is this a common issue for Klipsch owners or is it just with the Emotiva amps I listed?

Thanks for all the input guys.

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