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Do you go to the movie theater? Do you like how it sounds?
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Guiding you in the direction you want to go with the sound of a speaker is like telling you which car to buy. Or which country to live in. Or which girl to marry. We can't. This is the Klipsch thread and we're going to tell you Klipsch. However, that also depends on which electronics you are running. Also, take into account the room you are in. Too many variables to say what would sound good to you, on your system, in your room.
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Your Klipsch speakers while utilizing a horn do not utilize compression drivers.
Disclaimer: I don't profess to know 100% about all their offerings. That said, I don't know of them ever not using a compression driver in the mids/highs....that's sort of their deal.

What do you base your comment on?

I DID look up the specs on the speaker and it simply said 1" driver, it didn't state compression or not.

My guess is it is in fact a compression driver (and I'll admit it's more of an educated guess based on history and their typical design goals, than a statement of fact)
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Disclaimer: I don't profess to know 100% about all their offerings. That said, I don't know of them ever not using a compression driver in the mids/highs....that's sort of their deal.

What do you base your comment on?

I DID look up the specs on the speaker and it simply said 1" driver, it didn't state compression or not.

My guess is it is in fact a compression driver (and I'll admit it's more of an educated guess based on history and their typical design goals, than a statement of fact)
The only Klipsch speakers that use true compression drivers are the Heritage line. The rest- according to Klipsch use a "linear travel suspension" design. Not the same.

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Guiding you in the direction you want to go with the sound of a speaker is like telling you which car to buy. Or which country to live in. Or which girl to marry. We can't. This is the Klipsch thread and we're going to tell you Klipsch. However, that also depends on which electronics you are running. Also, take into account the room you are in. Too many variables to say what would sound good to you, on your system, in your room.
I'll also add in the fact that his ears are different than ours

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Small and try to play with cross 60hz may work even better. Do you have AVR with Audyssey or any other room correction?
I have a pioneer sc97. I ran the MCACC earlier and it gave me crossover at 100.
I tried 50 but I feel like when I decrease the crossover I have less "presence" in the movies!?

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The only Klipsch speakers that use true compression drivers are the Heritage line. The rest- according to Klipsch use a "linear travel suspension" design. Not the same.
Depends where you look. There are plenty of places where Klipsch refers to the RF-7II/RC-64II tweeter as a "compression driver" -- here and here are two examples.
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Disclaimer: I don't profess to know 100% about all their offerings. That said, I don't know of them ever not using a compression driver in the mids/highs....that's sort of their deal.

What do you base your comment on?

I DID look up the specs on the speaker and it simply said 1" driver, it didn't state compression or not.

My guess is it is in fact a compression driver (and I'll admit it's more of an educated guess based on history and their typical design goals, than a statement of fact)
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The only Klipsch speakers that use true compression drivers are the Heritage line. The rest- according to Klipsch use a "linear travel suspension" design. Not the same.
[quote=Schwa;44815313]Depends where you look. There are plenty of places where Klipsch refers to the RF-7II/RC-64II tweeter as a "compression driver" -- here and here are two examples.[/quote @itsmyforte can confirm all the flagship reference models ie rf7/rf83/rf7ii and their respective centers use compression drivers. The rest of the reference line while use a driver under compression, are not a true compression driver apparently. The same goes for the new premiere line, not true compression drivers. This guy designed the new premiere line I believe so I would suggest he knows what he is talking about.

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Does anyone know of a speaker brand/model that has the dynamic, aggressive sound of Klipsch but with a more traditional tweeter? I'm noticing I've grown accustomed to certain type of sound and I'm having a hard time deviating from it. With my Atlantic Tech's, there's a very detailed, clean, powerful sound to the upper frequencies. Bugs chirping, glass breaking, metal parts clanging together--they have a very forceful yet laser precise sound. With the Klipsches, it's like the upper registers of the sound are fuzzy, like some of the detail and impact of those frequencies are being lost. I'm not sure if it's a type of tweeter I'm looking for or if the ATs just have damn good ones. Even the 2200s I have elsewhere in the system shine and crackle with ambient information and those same sounds fade away with the Klipsches up front.
There is a few things here to consider.

1. It is entirely possible Klipsch is not for you. What speaker you like can be completely different to what speaker I like.
2. Your room plays a major part in the way a speaker sounds. A bad room can make a great speaker sound terrible.
3. The rp280f while a relatively nice speaker is really a mid level performer when compared to Klipsch's other offerings. RF7ii, P37f, Lascala, Klipschorn etc are all much better speakers made with better components and of course more expensive. Most of their older flagship models will still best this new line.
4. Are these speakers part of an HT rig or is this more for 2ch music? Klipsch are great for movies but their lower lines may not perform on music as well.

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I have a pioneer sc97. I ran the MCACC earlier and it gave me crossover at 100.
I tried 50 but I feel like when I decrease the crossover I have less "presence" in the movies!?
Use the auto cal results a as a starting point and adjust to your taste. Some here like a higher xover up around 120hz. I run 40hz on my speakers. None of us are wrong it is just what we prefer on our gear. The THX standard is 80hz. If you have good subs a higher xover will let them perform. If you have large speakers and power to drive them a lower xover will let them perform. Depends on your preference and your gear.

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somehow the quote dosn't want to work with me, but i want to thank Scars an Srappydue.

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I had a look at the outdoor speakers, they seem to be right for the job. I was a bit scared of the timbre not matching the Heresey's, but i guess there is no perfect solution to be found.
i was wondering though, isn't it possible to just screw a couple of Klipsch bookshelf spekers (R15M) to the ceiling and aim them at the mlp using brackets, or are the AW-650 outdoorspeakers just as good as the R15M?

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thanks for the compliment, right now it sounds a little bit thin, i am having a bit of trouble with the implementation of the subwoofers due to the lack of a room correction system. But i have heard my system play with a borrowd Anthem MRX310 as pre-amp and that has made a deep impression, so i know what i am getting in the near future .(still a month waiting ahead for the Anthem arrives)
i will take a look at the diy speakers, i haven't thought about these, but it might be a good solution.

it is still a difficult choice, but looking at all the atmos speaker treads i am not alone is guess
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There is a few things here to consider.

1. It is entirely possible Klipsch is not for you. What speaker you like can be completely different to what speaker I like.
2. Your room plays a major part in the way a speaker sounds. A bad room can make a great speaker sound terrible.
3. The rp280f while a relatively nice speaker is really a mid level performer when compared to Klipsch's other offerings. RF7ii, P37f, Lascala, Klipschorn etc are all much better speakers made with better components and of course more expensive. Most of their older flagship models will still best this new line.
4. Are these speakers part of an HT rig or is this more for 2ch music? Klipsch are great for movies but their lower lines may not perform on music as well.
It's quite possible that other offerings from Klipsch could give me more of what I'm looking for. I imagine the more expensive offerings would have a better tweeter afterall. I shouldn't really judge a midrange offering as the ideal representation of the Klipsch sound. However, I did notice that the first gen M&K 150 series goes for about $600 a speaker on eBay and even the newer version isn't $3,500 like I thought, that's a new, different model. The newer 150s are still in the $1,500 range. From everything I've read, the M&K speakers have everything I like about the AT 350 series and then some: spades of detail and clarity, laser sharp imaging, and dynamics for days. I think I'm setting my sights on those next.
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There is a few things here to consider.

1. It is entirely possible Klipsch is not for you. What speaker you like can be completely different to what speaker I like.
2. Your room plays a major part in the way a speaker sounds. A bad room can make a great speaker sound terrible.
3. The rp280f while a relatively nice speaker is really a mid level performer when compared to Klipsch's other offerings. RF7ii, P37f, Lascala, Klipschorn etc are all much better speakers made with better components and of course more expensive. Most of their older flagship models will still best this new line.
4. Are these speakers part of an HT rig or is this more for 2ch music? Klipsch are great for movies but their lower lines may not perform on music as well.
It's quite possible that other offerings from Klipsch could give me more of what I'm looking for. I imagine the more expensive offerings would have a better tweeter afterall. I shouldn't really judge a midrange offering as the ideal representation of the Klipsch sound. However, I did notice that the first gen M&K 150 series goes for about $600 a speaker on eBay and even the newer version isn't $3,500 like I thought, that's a new, different model. The newer 150s are still in the $1,500 range. From everything I've read, the M&K speakers have everything I like about the AT 350 series and then some: spades of detail and clarity, laser sharp imaging, and dynamics for days. I think I'm setting my sights on those next.
I wasn't thrilled with the highs in my first Klipsch RF setup, but it was the smaller RF-52, and RB-61 combo. I switched to the used market and found the Klipsch Legend line and love them. They use a Compression driver which I believe is 3" driver with a 1" throat. Try to find Klipsch KLF'S to audition in the used market. They are much bigger though, dual 10", 12", or 15" options. Center channel has same horn, with dual 8" woofers.
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What you may not be accustomed to is the power response that Klipsch speakers can offer. One way to put it is when many other speakers start compression (acoustically) the Klipsch speaker does not. The top end is usually where this is noticeable. It can give a tilted down frequency response which makes it seem like the tweeter is not as loud. This effect is in the absence of detectable distortion. Many Klipsch speakers continue to sing louder as they have an inherent headroom built into the horn section. This effect can seem like they are shouting at you, when in fact a non horn speaker would do the same thing if it didn't enter compression. The effect is also enhanced as the horn creates a much more focused sound. Other speakers spread out that energy into the room. Some may say a controlled directivity speaker is the only right way to reproduce sound, maybe, maybe not.

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Guys how different are R260 from old r26 and same 280 from old 28 in terms of sound quality. As there is about 30-40% price different in new and old series speakers. I have listened only new 280 and 260s but don't have idea of 26/28s.
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Guys how different are R260 from old r26 and same 280 from old 28 in terms of sound quality. As there is about 30-40% price different in new and old series speakers. I have listened only new 280 and 260s but don't have idea of 26/28s.
You are comparing 2 different lines of speakers. The R series is not as refined as the RP line. Think, Challenger with a V6 compared to one with a blown Hemi. Similar feel but ya know...

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Yup used can offer great speakers for less than new models. My rf83s cost less than my brand new rf82iis did and they blow them out of the water.
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You are comparing 2 different lines of speakers. The R series is not as refined as the RP line. Think, Challenger with a V6 compared to one with a blown Hemi. Similar feel but ya know...

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I understand the performance will be downgrade as they are different in terms of cone quality and build quality. But my point is are they better then Polk RtiA7? I am so confused and frustrated, i am thinking of buy pioneer fs22 and get overwith it. help guys
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I understand the performance will be downgrade as they are different in terms of cone quality and build quality. But my point is are they better then Polk RtiA7? I am so confused and frustrated, i am thinking of buy pioneer fs22 and get overwith it. help guys
Not one person can tell you what you will like. You need to check them out for yourself. I would however take any klipsch model over a modern polk speaker all day long.

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I understand the performance will be downgrade as they are different in terms of cone quality and build quality. But my point is are they better then Polk RtiA7? I am so confused and frustrated, i am thinking of buy pioneer fs22 and get overwith it. help guys
This is the Klipsch speaker section so you won't get much love for Polk or Pioneer. I will say the new RP line is getting great reviews and they're priced well. I'd say go for for the RP line

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Guiding you in the direction you want to go with the sound of a speaker is like telling you which car to buy. Or which country to live in. Or which girl to marry. We can't. This is the Klipsch thread and we're going to tell you Klipsch. However, that also depends on which electronics you are running. Also, take into account the room you are in. Too many variables to say what would sound good to you, on your system, in your room.
I didn't ask any of you to guess what speakers I'd like, I asked if any of you knew of a speaker with the aggressive, dynamic sound of klipsch yet with a more traditional tweeter. Not that vague of a question...
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Does anyone know of a speaker brand/model that has the dynamic, aggressive sound of Klipsch but with a more traditional tweeter? I'm noticing I've grown accustomed to certain type of sound and I'm having a hard time deviating from it. With my Atlantic Tech's, there's a very detailed, clean, powerful sound to the upper frequencies. Bugs chirping, glass breaking, metal parts clanging together--they have a very forceful yet laser precise sound. With the Klipsches, it's like the upper registers of the sound are fuzzy, like some of the detail and impact of those frequencies are being lost. I'm not sure if it's a type of tweeter I'm looking for or if the ATs just have damn good ones. Even the 2200s I have elsewhere in the system shine and crackle with ambient information and those same sounds fade away with the Klipsches up front.

I've been finding myself alone in this opinion, but it's this characteristic that has been making Atmos tracks sound "better" than traditional lossless soundtracks. Maybe that's just the way they're mixed--so far I haven't heard of anything about the tracks are encoded that would make a difference in that regard--but it's clear to me that the Atmos demo disc highly emphasizes these upper frequencies that my ATs do so well.

I haven't yet decided if this is a drastic enough change that I can't live with, but there's another aspect of the RP-280s that bothers me... they seem to lose composure at high volumes. This is very surprising to me, but it's unmistakable. However, that aspect might be something I can ameliorate by adjusting my crossover. It's mainly noticeable with voices through the center channel--voices start to sound congested and boxy when I raise the volume. I'll say to myself, "I feel like I can crank this up a little to get to the volumes I like", I hit the volume notch a few times and before it starts to sound too loud, dialogue takes on a different character. Right now the x-over is set at 40hz and I might try raising that up to see if the problems I'm hearing are in the lower frequencies.

Those are my only two caveats with the Klipsches thus far, I'm in love with everything else. I love the roaring, aggressive sound of the midrange, and the midbass is taut and kicks like a drum. The dynamics are startling. However, I can't help but shake the feeling of a theory that I've had for some time: that most people associate "loud" sounds with distortion. I mean, not exactly a revolutionary idea as I'm sure we've all experienced this with crap sound out of a TV or something similar. But is this the case with Klipsch? Do people think Klipsch speakers get insanely loud because they're getting louder while keeping distortion low or do they think they sound loud because the speakers are coloring the sound, falsely giving the perception of higher volumes? I imagine, as I've noticed with a pair of headphones I recently bought, that when the sound is ultra clean and distortion is low, people will keep cranking up the volume until they reach dangerous SPLs without even realizing it. Personally, I've yet to find myself getting more pleased with the Klipsch sound the more I turn it up. At moderate levels, these speakers are fantastic but turn it up and I find myself reaching for the volume control to go back down. If I find time to, I want to use an SPL meter to find out what the volume actually is at these levels and throw my ATs back on to see what volume they get to at my preferred listening level.

I'm wanting to continue searching for a speaker I fall in love with. The modern day equivalent of the Atlantic Tech 350 (a whole system I got for $1,200) is $2,000 a speaker. Granted, I did just see them somewhere for $1,200, again, a speaker, but I'm not sure I'm quite to the point where I want to spend that much on a speaker system. Nor do I want to spend an excessive amount of money to get pretty much what I had before. I've thought about DIY but most of those seem to use a horn loaded tweeter as well (at least in terms of pre-designed sets), and I'm reticent to believe the sound I'm looking for can come from a horn. Paradigm, SVS, or maybe golden ear seem like good possibilities. I heard the golden ear demo at CEDIA a couple years back and their tweeters definitely had that magical sparkle I love. Maybe deftech mythos.

I was hoping to stick with towers for upfront but I might have to settle for bookshelves to get what I'm after. I was really hoping to get my hands on the Jamo D600 system but I just learned that they're so hard to find because they were discontinued. I'm going to be kicking myself for not picking them up on Amazon for a while. Maybe I can find them lying around somewhere. Elsewise, maybe the older M&Ks? Like Atlantic, M&K seems to have significant upper their asking prices, so I'm not about to spend $3,000 a speaker or whatever it is for their newer models. I think $1,000 a speaker would be my limit these days, but preferable $500-750.
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Hmm... apparently I'm on the Klipsch fanboy thread. I suppose I'll take my questions elsewhere.
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The Reference Premiere Series is for you. The tweeter horn is made of rubber to calm down the highs.
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Hmm... apparently I'm on the Klipsch fanboy thread. I suppose I'll take my questions elsewhere.
RP280's is what I believe would get you where you want to go soundwise and price. Also get the matching 450C center.
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Guiding you in the direction you want to go with the sound of a speaker is like telling you which car to buy. Or which country to live in. Or which girl to marry. We can't. This is the Klipsch thread and we're going to tell you Klipsch. However, that also depends on which electronics you are running. Also, take into account the room you are in. Too many variables to say what would sound good to you, on your system, in your room.
I didn't ask any of you to guess what speakers I'd like, I asked if any of you knew of a speaker with the aggressive, dynamic sound of klipsch yet with a more traditional tweeter. Not that vague of a question...
The sound of a horn without a horn? Not sure if that exists. The pro line could be for you. Larger horns and larger pro compression drivers.
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Easy - Vizio P65-C1. 4K, 128-zone full array local dimming, wide color gamut, Dolby Vision and HDR10 coming soon with a firmware update.
The more I look at TVs in this price range it almost seems like buying a lower end series with a good track record for $1K and upgrading to a more expensive model in a couple of years would be a better alternative for basic Blu-ray and 1080p streaming--Any thoughts on that from Klipsch owners?
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The more I look at TVs in this price range it almost seems like buying a lower end series with a good track record for $1K and upgrading to a more expensive model in a couple of years would be a better alternative for basic Blu-ray and 1080p streaming--Any thoughts on that from Klipsch owners?
Well I can tell you what I did. After 9 years have RPTV and sold it on CL. I went with Sony XBR65X850B. It is not HDR but picture is excellent even with new 4K player or my Oppo. I will keep it for while then I will get something more high end and move this one to another room. Now even newer model 850C is good priced and already have also HDR.
I'm really happy with my TV.
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I would second the Sony 850C series. PQ seems pretty darn good for an lcd.

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