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You have the same thoughts as me as far as sides and rears. How far away from the listening position will the 240s and 150m be? Is the room large or small? My room is only around 1500cu ft so the 240s and 150s will be more than enough
It's a large room but the speakers will be within ~1ft of the couch on stands. The little HTIB speakers (5.1) I have now almost sound too close so I angle them away from the listening position a bit.

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How would the R-12SW and R-115SW match up?
Overall, the 115SW easily takes the W. I've been playing with it all morning, and the 115 sounds better overall than the R-12 which i still have placed in the sub sweet spot of my living room. The r-12 is no slouch tho. But for $399 the 115sw is a must. But for $225ish the R-12sw is a great value...
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Hello! I've decided on Kipsch speakers for the final upgrade on my HT set up. I have a couple questions though and didn't find the answers in my search:

Will the RP-450C match alright with the RP-260F's?

I'd like to set my TV on top of the center channel (TV is 52.5lbs) and the TV stand is about 32.5" wide at the widest point. The 450 is not quite that wide, but it's wide enough. The 440 is definitely too skinny. Putting a center on the lower shelf of my stand is too low, and my TV needs to come up ~5" anyways.

I also intend to go for an Atmos setup in the future but my current rented house has a vaulted ceiling so ceiling mount would be difficult and bouncing sound is out. For a 7.1 setup should I go with the RP-240's for side surrounds and RP-150 for rear? Would the smaller surrounds have trouble keeping up with the front 260s/450? I'm interested in the 240s/250s because they need to be so close to the seating. I understand I'll have to sell them off and replace with monopoles when I go Atmos?

Receiver will be a Denon X4300H.

Thanks for the input. I'm pretty excited about being able to get a Klipsch system. It's the brand I always wanted growing up but never had the means.
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Why? The type of surrounds you use have no bearing on Atmos.
This is was in another thread when I searched around about this question:

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The Atmos spec calls for direct radiators (monopole) only, but with wide dispersion for the top speakers that is almost unachievable. Being too close to speakers in an Atmos system is a problem without a good solution. It's one of the reasons people with near-field surrounds forgo Atmos.
It makes sense if the idea behind Atmos is precise placement of sound and I'm not too concerned about having to swap out the speakers if it sounds better when I finally go Atmos. Do people normally run the 240s/250s in Atmos systems?

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It makes sense if the idea behind Atmos is precise placement of sound and I'm not too concerned about having to swap out the speakers if it sounds better when I finally go Atmos. Do people normally run the 240s/250s in Atmos systems?
It doesn't really matter if you use dipoles/bipoles or monopoles as your sides/rears, its all personal preference. The thing with atmos is you want to make sure the side/rears are ear level and not too high up to give seperation for the atmos speakers above you.
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You have the same thoughts as me as far as sides and rears. How far away from the listening position will the 240s and 150m be? Is the room large or small? My room is only around 1500cu ft so the 240s and 150s will be more than enough
It's a large room but the speakers will be within ~1ft of the couch on stands. The little HTIB speakers (5.1) I have now almost sound too close so I angle them away from the listening position a bit.
Than the larger 160m and 250s will have no added benefit. The larger speakers are meant to be for larger more open rooms to full the rooms of sound. Multiple seating rows ect.
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The RP-250s,240s,160m,140sa all work great for surrounds, pick your poison. I will say this, multiple Dolby employees said the Klipsch Atmos system we demo'd for them was the best they had heard as of mod 2015. We used 250's in two separate demos for side surround duty. Rear surrounds were RP-260F. Maybe that will ease your mind some.

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yeah the frys deal is what sparked this thought. i think the 2 R-12SW are pretty bada$s and i think i will just keep them.
Anyone had any luck with the Fry's deal? (I hope I'm allowed to ask that here.) I went to ask about them price matching since I bought my subs 30 days ago. But I haven't received the promo code yet so it still showed as regular price while I was in the store. Either way, I love these speakers!

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Anyone had any luck with the Fry's deal? (I hope I'm allowed to ask that here.) I went to ask about them price matching since I bought my subs 30 days ago. But I haven't received the promo code yet so it still showed as regular price while I was in the store. Either way, I love these speakers!
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Hello! I've decided on Kipsch speakers for the final upgrade on my HT set up. I have a couple questions though and didn't find the answers in my search:

Will the RP-450C match alright with the RP-260F's?

I'd like to set my TV on top of the center channel (TV is 52.5lbs) and the TV stand is about 32.5" wide at the widest point. The 450 is not quite that wide, but it's wide enough. The 440 is definitely too skinny. Putting a center on the lower shelf of my stand is too low, and my TV needs to come up ~5" anyways.

I also intend to go for an Atmos setup in the future but my current rented house has a vaulted ceiling so ceiling mount would be difficult and bouncing sound is out. For a 7.1 setup should I go with the RP-240's for side surrounds and RP-150 for rear? Would the smaller surrounds have trouble keeping up with the front 260s/450? I'm interested in the 240s/250s because they need to be so close to the seating. I understand I'll have to sell them off and replace with monopoles when I go Atmos?

Receiver will be a Denon X4300H.

Thanks for the input. I'm pretty excited about being able to get a Klipsch system. It's the brand I always wanted growing up but never had the means.
The RP-450C should be great with the RP-260Fs. All the RP line (like the Reference II stuff before them) are engineered to match. For movies it is always good to get the biggest, best center that you can accommodate & afford.

If you plan to go Atmos, I'd keep your side surrounds closer to ear level rather than the pre-Atmos 1-2 feet above. Try them out in that configuration and maybe you won't have to replace them.

I wouldn't worry about the side surrounds "not keeping up". I started with the previous generation's RS-42II (which evolved into the 240S) and they were great, clear and detailed. I upgraded to the RS-62II and the win there was on movies where there's more lows in the back--the best example I have is Gone Girl, where there's some very cool mixing of the score that sends weird and unsettling lows to the side surrounds. (Runner up for cool surround stuff is tbh the first Pokémon movie, where a psychic character has ALL its dialog come from the surrounds so that it sounds like it's coming from inside your head. A simple trick but really effective!) But most movies don't do enough with the surrounds to really make them matter that much. Most of your joy will come from your mains, center, and sub, so focus on those first.

If you want to go 7.1, I'd skip the 240/250 for side surrounds and go with 150s or 160s. The way the 240/250 are designed to bounce sound around the back can obscure the rear surrounds -- or at least I have a hard time noticing my RB-41IIs with everything the RS-62IIs put out. Relatively few movies have a full 7.1 mix anyway, so those rear surrounds rarely have much of anything to do.

Honestly your 260/450/250 (or 260/450/1X0/1X0) setup will match perfectly and be a ton of fun to listen to. If you can afford and fit them in your space, I'd suggest the 280Fs so you save yourself a little "what if" worrying, but if you can't I think you would still have a system that'd be really enjoyable. I started quite modestly with RB-41II/RC-42II/RS-42II with an SW-112, and my wife and friends were impressed with how it sounded. Bond movies, Wall-E, and Pacific Rim all got unsolicited appreciative comments on that setup. Everything else from there has been icing on the cake.

Good luck and enjoy whatever setup you end up choosing! :-)
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Have any of you done this or something similar?

I've been experimenting with using ac3filter in mpc-hc (playing moves off a HTPC) to spread out the center channel mix into the left and right towers. Right now I've tried putting 50% of the center channel into each tower and I find that it really helps amp up the dialogue. My center's an rc64ii, but the seating positions are about 12-15 feet back and in a fairly wide spread (pretty wide/long couch facing the tv for 4-5 people). During loud surround-sound music or sound effect scenes, my surround speakers and towers are pushing so much sound that it tends to overwhelm the center a little unless I put the center track about 10db higher than all other speakers (towers and surrounds adjusted to -7db, center normally at -5db, so I'd adjust center to +5db for example). By adding the center channel to the towers (RF-3s) then I basically just make more speakers playing the same sound, bumping up the db level naturally.

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Living room set up limits how I am able to position my stereo. The speakers definitely benefit from being spaced further apart, but this is the only way for me to have it set up for now. Still sounds good though.


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Living room set up limits how I am able to position my stereo. The speakers definitely benefit from being spaced further apart, but this is the only way for me to have it set up for now. Still sounds good though.


Very nice, I believe the P38s actually like to be spread out farther than the average speaker.
Mine went from 7.5' apart to currently being over 11' apart, I sit about 14' away.
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Believe me, if I could space them further apart I would. We just do not have the available space for it right now.

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Very nice, I believe the P38s actually like to be spread out farther than the average speaker.
Mine went from 7.5' apart to currently being over 11' apart, I sit about 14' away.
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Believe me, if I could space them further apart I would. We just do not have the available space for it right now.
Just curious, is this for 2 channel, HT? They do both very well.

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Only 2 channel. I have never been interested in running my TV through my stereo. I have a simple sound bar and sub for watching TV.

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@Theriddler07sms Just curious how you like the RP160 speakers? Didn't you just get them hooked up?

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I'll bet they sound fantastic with your Parasound gear....nice stuff.

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The RP-450C should be great with the RP-260Fs. All the RP line (like the Reference II stuff before them) are engineered to match. For movies it is always good to get the biggest, best center that you can accommodate & afford.

If you plan to go Atmos, I'd keep your side surrounds closer to ear level rather than the pre-Atmos 1-2 feet above. Try them out in that configuration and maybe you won't have to replace them.

I wouldn't worry about the side surrounds "not keeping up". I started with the previous generation's RS-42II (which evolved into the 240S) and they were great, clear and detailed. I upgraded to the RS-62II and the win there was on movies where there's more lows in the back--the best example I have is Gone Girl, where there's some very cool mixing of the score that sends weird and unsettling lows to the side surrounds. (Runner up for cool surround stuff is tbh the first Pokémon movie, where a psychic character has ALL its dialog come from the surrounds so that it sounds like it's coming from inside your head. A simple trick but really effective!) But most movies don't do enough with the surrounds to really make them matter that much. Most of your joy will come from your mains, center, and sub, so focus on those first.

If you want to go 7.1, I'd skip the 240/250 for side surrounds and go with 150s or 160s. The way the 240/250 are designed to bounce sound around the back can obscure the rear surrounds -- or at least I have a hard time noticing my RB-41IIs with everything the RS-62IIs put out. Relatively few movies have a full 7.1 mix anyway, so those rear surrounds rarely have much of anything to do.

Honestly your 260/450/250 (or 260/450/1X0/1X0) setup will match perfectly and be a ton of fun to listen to. If you can afford and fit them in your space, I'd suggest the 280Fs so you save yourself a little "what if" worrying, but if you can't I think you would still have a system that'd be really enjoyable. I started quite modestly with RB-41II/RC-42II/RS-42II with an SW-112, and my wife and friends were impressed with how it sounded. Bond movies, Wall-E, and Pacific Rim all got unsolicited appreciative comments on that setup. Everything else from there has been icing on the cake.

Good luck and enjoy whatever setup you end up choosing! :-)
With the RP-450C and using the RP 260F up front for the time being, then I would get the RP-280F for up fronts, could (should) the 260's work as the side or rear speakers?

Will the 280's ever get cheaper than the 480.00 they are at now?

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After spending a little more time in my room looking at options I figured I can adjust the location of the couch/display a bit and put the side and rear surrounds against walls, instead of right near the couch itself. This would put the side surrounds 5-7ft from the MLP and the rears 6-7ft from the MLP. I could also achieve symmetrical placement of everything in that configuation. I am inclined to go with the 150M for both side/rear surrounds. Would the 150's be fine at that distance?

Is there a compelling reason to go with larger floorstanding speakers if you are using 1 or 2 subs and do very little stereo music listening?

If I can use the 150s I was thinking of doing (for budget reasons) the 250Fs for mains, 450 or 250 center, and 150Ms for all surrounds, plus 2 subs. 95% movies/TV series/gaming. Sticking with 7.1/2 for now since my space is not a good candidate for any kind of Atmos setup.

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After spending a little more time in my room looking at options I figured I can adjust the location of the couch/display a bit and put the side and rear surrounds against walls, instead of right near the couch itself. This would put the side surrounds 5-7ft from the MLP and the rears 6-7ft from the MLP. I could also achieve symmetrical placement of everything in that configuation. I am inclined to go with the 150M for both side/rear surrounds. Would the 150's be fine at that distance?

Is there a compelling reason to go with larger floorstanding speakers if you are using 1 or 2 subs and do very little stereo music listening?

If I can use the 150s I was thinking of doing (for budget reasons) the 250Fs for mains, 450 or 250 center, and 150Ms for all surrounds, plus 2 subs. 95% movies/TV series/gaming. Sticking with 7.1/2 for now since my space is not a good candidate for any kind of Atmos setup.

Thoughts on that?
If you are on a budget why not just do bookshelfs all around? No need to spend extra money for towers if you are using your subs. 150s or 160s (bigger mid driver) all around is awesome! Nothing wrong with towers unless you listen to music 2.0 and use towers midbass. Otherwise, its just a waste of speaker not using its full potential. Having towers crossed over at 80hz is same thing as using bookshelfs at 80hz.
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Having towers crossed over at 80hz is same thing as using bookshelfs at 80hz.
No it isn't, you still get all the benefits of the larger speaker just less below the chosen crossover point.


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If you are on a budget why not just do bookshelfs all around? No need to spend extra money for towers if you are using your subs. 150s or 160s (bigger mid driver) all around is awesome! Nothing wrong with towers unless you listen to music 2.0 and use towers midbass. Otherwise, its just a waste of speaker not using its full potential. Having towers crossed over at 80hz is same thing as using bookshelfs at 80hz.
Only if the tower has a single woofer. A tower can benefit from the extra drivers even if crossed over at 80hz or higher.
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If you are on a budget why not just do bookshelfs all around? No need to spend extra money for towers if you are using your subs. 150s or 160s (bigger mid driver) all around is awesome! Nothing wrong with towers unless you listen to music 2.0 and use towers midbass. Otherwise, its just a waste of speaker not using its full potential. Having towers crossed over at 80hz is same thing as using bookshelfs at 80hz.
I thought about bookshelf speakers up front but even the 250F's are listed as going 10hz lower than the 160's, (45 vs 35) with the 160's only 3hz lower from the 150's. A pair of 250F's is only $50 more than a pair of 160's too.

Do people always set the crossover at 80 for floorstanders with subs? Seems like you'd want to get the most out of the floorstanders.

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I thought about bookshelf speakers up front but even the 250F's are listed as going 10hz lower than the 160's, (45 vs 35) with the 160's only 3hz lower from the 150's. A pair of 250F's is only $50 more than a pair of 160's too.

Do people always set the crossover at 80 for floorstanders with subs? Seems like you'd want to get the most out of the floorstanders.
I have my RF62IIs (actually all of my speakers) crossed at 120hz. It sounds best this way in my room with my other gear.

My two subs have more output to 120hz than my speakers do so I use my subs for those frequencies. With two subs I don't have any localization issues.

Always best to try different things in your space since what works for me or others may not work for you.
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No it isn't, you still get all the benefits of the larger speaker just less below the chosen crossover point.


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Only if the tower has a single woofer. A tower can benefit from the extra drivers even if crossed over at 80hz or higher.
I do agree with you both, but I may have shot myself in the foot by being too definitive. LOL

Maybe I wasn't clear and should have explained myself better. What I was trying to say if they are crossed over at 80hz then basically everything below 80hz will get sent to the subs. With towers with multiple midbass drivers yes there will be more efficiency, loudness and more depth but still won't hear anything below 80hz. So if I was on a budget, in a small room and had subs and plan on crossing over at 80hz it would make more sense to get bookshelfs instead. The OP has strict budget and movies only application so it made since for his situation.

Also I have the 280s, 450c and 160s as my rears. I have done a test where the 280s are crossed at 80hz and same thing with 160s crossed at 80hz and sounds pretty much the same. Just the 280s added little more depth and presence which was good in my large room but I couldn't really tell the difference when watching a movie with both setups crossed at 80hz and volume matched.

While the argument wasn't really about not having any differences, it was more about getting most bang for your buck with the budget.

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@Theriddler07sms Just curious how you like the RP160 speakers? Didn't you just get them hooked up?

I got them hooked up and recalibrated. They sound really good. Hard to compare against the Sierra's since I haven't had them for a couple weeks. I can tell they sound different but for movies its not enough to matter for me. I love the sound. Will be buying the center and surrounds next and enjoying them for a few years to come.
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I thought about bookshelf speakers up front but even the 250F's are listed as going 10hz lower than the 160's, (45 vs 35) with the 160's only 3hz lower from the 150's. A pair of 250F's is only $50 more than a pair of 160's too.

Do people always set the crossover at 80 for floorstanders with subs? Seems like you'd want to get the most out of the floorstanders.
Setting the XO higher on your towers and letting the sub do the low end IS getting the most out of your towers.
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Thanks for all the input. I would probably spend the extra $50 for aesthetics alone on the floorstanders, with a 65" screen they won't look too small. Plus that satisfies the desire to have all the fronts match up even if it doesn't make a big difference in the final audio quality.

Any particular speaker stands that are preferred for the bookshelf speakers?

Is the slight tilt back something I should pay close attention to or is the effect minimal?

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Thanks for all the input. I would probably spend the extra $50 for aesthetics alone on the floorstanders, with a 65" screen they won't look too small. Plus that satisfies the desire to have all the fronts match up even if it doesn't make a big difference in the final audio quality.

Any particular speaker stands that are preferred for the bookshelf speakers?

Is the slight tilt back something I should pay close attention to or is the effect minimal?
Its only a small tilt...maybe 2 degrees. I wouldn't worry about that. Just try to get tweeter level close to ears as possible. Mine is few inches higher but only because I have low profile couch. It has very good off axis that you won't notice it anyway.
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