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Alright. Should i do it through

Subwoofer level adjust
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Channel Level would be a per source adjustment, so would only pertain to the input your on.

Changes made via Test Tones would be global, so it would be changed for all inputs.

You can change the sub level via either method you prefer. I've never adjusted using the SLA setting.

You very well may need another sub based on your room, but figured this would be worth a shot, might save you some money!

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Channel Level would be a per source adjustment, so would only pertain to the input your on.

Changes made via Test Tones would be global, so it would be changed for all inputs.

You can change the sub level via either method you prefer. I've never adjusted using the SLA setting.

You very well may need another sub based on your room, but figured this would be worth a shot, might save you some money!
Hey thanks for the tip. I'll give it a bump and let it sit for a bit and see how goes.

I'll admit. System before was a cheap box ht with a boomy sub. I'm probably just not used to it not going boom boom. Lol

Was hoping someone in here had upped from a R-110SW to dual 110's or a svs and would share their experience. Chime in if you have
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Hey thanks for the tip. I'll give it a bump and let it sit for a bit and see how goes.

I'll admit. System before was a cheap box ht with a boomy sub. I'm probably just not used to it not going boom boom. Lol

Was hoping someone in here had upped from a R-110SW to dual 110's or a svs and would share their experience. Chime in if you have
I had 2 110s and sold them or craigslist for 400 bucks. Bought 2 of the svs nsd12s off amazon for 1k shipped and I swear the bass is 10 times as much. Not only is it a giant step in the amount but also the quality. It drops waayyy lower than the 10s did and also is nice and smooth to the 100hz crossover. The 110 always to me had a peak in the 40-50hz range that boomed pretty loud and if I turned them down too much then they were non existent for the other range.
So I sold the 10s for 400 and picked up the bad ass 12s for 600 more. It actually made the other speakers sound better also because of the smooth transition from monitors to sube
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So I went out to a local audio place here and got hooked up with A Denon x3400h - RP-260f's - RP-450c - RP-240S's - R-110SW.
Have exact same speakers except I originally bought the R-115sw sub. I ended up returning that and getting a SVS Pb12-nsd. For $499. Was very happy with the sound quality with that sub. Bends in perfectly. I did end up also returning that for a PB-4000 but only cause im nuts.

Look into other recommended brands too because there are probably better buy per performance per $ out there. For me though the 45 day in home trial and great customer support is what sold me to SVS.

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I had 2 110s and sold them or craigslist for 400 bucks. Bought 2 of the svs nsd12s off amazon for 1k shipped and I swear the bass is 10 times as much. Not only is it a giant step in the amount but also the quality. It drops waayyy lower than the 10s did and also is nice and smooth to the 100hz crossover. The 110 always to me had a peak in the 40-50hz range that boomed pretty loud and if I turned them down too much then they were non existent for the other range.
So I sold the 10s for 400 and picked up the bad ass 12s for 600 more. It actually made the other speakers sound better also because of the smooth transition from monitors to sube
Hey thanks for the reply.

Good info to know. We're they the SB or the PBs?

Man those prices sound so good. Where I live I doubt I will be able to find anyone to buy this 110sw. And the svs 12s run $1000 dollars here
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Have exact same speakers except I originally bought the R-115sw sub. I ended up returning that and getting a SVS Pb12-nsd. For $499. Was very happy with the sound quality with that sub. Bends in perfectly. I did end up also returning that for a PB-4000 but only cause im nuts.

Look into other recommended brands too because there are probably better buy per performance per $ out there. For me though the 45 day in home trial and great customer support is what sold me to SVS.

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Hey.

Yeah I'm pretty stoked on the setup so far as I'm sure you are aswell. Just not fully satisfied with the r-110sw

Was the PB12-Nsd really better then the r-115sw?

If so that's impressive. The pb-4000 is unfortunately out of my range for sure.

Part of me wants to be just satisfied with what I got but the other part is like just go for it. Lol. Just trying to justify the extra lol.
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The NSD is lacking in the mid range. But I have RF7s now so maybe I don't need my RW12d. I use RW12d with PC12-NSD because the RW12d is punchy in the midrange.

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The NSD is lacking in the mid range. But I have RF7s now so maybe I don't need my RW12d. I use RW12d with PC12-NSD because the RW12d is punchy in the midrange.
I would still crossover your RF-7s to the sub at 80 Hz--That will take some strain off of your x4000 and should blend well with your other speakers. You may want to try 60 Hz but my guess is that 80 Hz is the sweet spot. Of course, YMMV.
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In practical terms, will the rp250's work well as left and right speakers? The dimensions are perfect for the space that I have. They will be paired with the new RC64iii for my front soundstage. Towers are not an option and bookshelves are too tall. I really don't want to lay a bookshelf on its side either.
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Looking from the perspective of my side surrounds, can anyone give me advice? Should I angle them more toward my ear? The couches recline, and is my preferred seating position. Not sure if it would help much to have them angled directly toward my ears. Suggestions. Here is the rest of my set up. Any further suggestions or ideas are welcome.


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In practical terms, will the rp250's work well as left and right speakers? The dimensions are perfect for the space that I have. They will be paired with the new RC64iii for my front soundstage. Towers are not an option and bookshelves are too tall. I really don't want to lay a bookshelf on its side either.
They work well for me, I have 2 pairs of them for front and rears.

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Looking from the perspective of my side surrounds, can anyone give me advice? Should I angle them more toward my ear? The couches recline, and is my preferred seating position. Not sure if it would help much to have them angled directly toward my ears. Suggestions. Here is the rest of my set up. Any further suggestions or ideas are welcome.

May I ask where you got the wall mount speaker stands from ? What model are the side speakers ?
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May I ask where you got the wall mount speaker stands from ? What model are the side speakers ?
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The NSD is lacking in the mid range. But I have RF7s now so maybe I don't need my RW12d. I use RW12d with PC12-NSD because the RW12d is punchy in the midrange.
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I would still crossover your RF-7s to the sub at 80 Hz--That will take some strain off of your x4000 and should blend well with your other speakers. You may want to try 60 Hz but my guess is that 80 Hz is the sweet spot. Of course, YMMV.
I believe that SVS generally recommends 50 Hz for Klipsch towers in general. They have a recommendation tool on their website called Merlin, if you want to check it out. I've been using 80 Hz with my Rp-280 as Zen Traveler recommends. Right now, I'm using 60 Hz, and not really noticing a real difference. I'd experiment, and if you don't notice a difference, stick with 80 Hz because as noted, it will strain the receiver less. Or, use 80 for movies, and 40 for music, just for kicks.

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I believe that SVS generally recommends 50 Hz for Klipsch towers in general. They have a recommendation tool on their website called Merlin, if you want to check it out. I've been using 80 Hz with my Rp-280 as Zen Traveler recommends. Right now, I'm using 60 Hz, and not really noticing a real difference. I'd experiment, and if you don't notice a difference, stick with 80 Hz because as noted, it will strain the receiver less. Or, use 80 for movies, and 40 for music, just for kicks.
I use 120hz. Sounds the best in my room at this crossover.

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Hmmm...I'm really not sure what the answer is but when we used side surrounds (RS-3s) in our bedroom and our head was pillow level, the surrounds worked great about 6 ft up (level/not tilted) for both movie watching in bed and music listening when we were moving around the room.
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15 year old Klipsch R*-3 series 2 worthy??

Hey, 1st thread...Doing a Home audio/video family room upgrade after Christmas...Ran across an elderly customer of mine selling some '03 Klipsch home theater speakers that won't fit into their new home setup...They are in perfect condition rarely used (not abused) packed in original packaging, & asking $750...I do love to listen to music along with the theater sound...Replacing a Bose Am6 set up that sucked for all applications.

RF-3 II Floorstanding speakers...
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RS-3 II Surround speakers...
RSW-10 Powered Sub...

They may fit into this combo...
LG Super UHD 4K HDR Smart LED TV w/ Nano Cell Display 65" #65SJ850A
Sony STR-DN1080 7.2 capable featuring Dolby Atmos & DTS, etc...
Sony UBP-X800 4K Blu-ray player...

Do any of you still run these speakers? Will they work well with the Sony STR-DN1080? Can I add a pair of Klipsch R-14sa add on upfiring speakers to the set up (placing on top of the RF-3II's)? Thanks for the help in advance!
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Hi all. I'm hoping to get some advice with completing an atmos setup in my condo. My current setup involves a pair of klipsch RF82 front tower speakers and a klipsch RC62 centre channel. Installing ceiling speakers aren't an option in my condo so I've commited to a pair of klipsch RP140SA elevation speakers to sit above the RF82 speakers, and I'll be purchasing an 8" klipsch sub as well.

I'm now debating to also go with a pair of rear speakers to complete the setup. I live in a small condo where my couch is placed in the middle of the room. There is 7 feet between the back of my couch and the rear wall, where my dining table is placed. I'd rather not place rear speakers on stands behind my couch because I think they'll be too close to the dining table. My only option is to wall-mount rear speakers on the rear wall about 3 feet above ear level. I'm considering the klipsch R14S for this.


I have a few questions with this setup. One, is it a good idea to have rear speakers placed 7 feet behind the listener? Will this make a big difference in my setup as opposed to not having them at all? Can a decent atmos experience be had without rear and side speakers?

And finally, would anyone be able to recommend a dolby atmos receiver with this setup? If it helps, the tv I'll be using is an LG OLED 65B7P.

Thanks for the feedback!
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I have a few questions with this setup. One, is it a good idea to have rear speakers placed 7 feet behind the listener? Will this make a big difference in my setup as opposed to not having them at all? Can a decent atmos experience be had without rear and side speakers?

And finally, would anyone be able to recommend a dolby atmos receiver with this setup? If it helps, the tv I'll be using is an LG OLED 65B7P.
Second question first: I would look for a 2016 Denon X3300 for 7 channels (if that is the most you will ever do); or a Denon X4300 if you might go 9 or 11 channels. These have the best version of Audyssey and will process Dolby Vision for the Oled. These were on close out recently, if they are all gone I'd look on assessors4less for a refurb. The 2017 models are twice as much when not on sale and don't offer much if any upgraded features.

First question second: you want to do the best you can do in your room to meet Dolby Atmos speaker placement guidelines. The closer you get to meeting the guidelines, the better off you are. At some point if the room won't let you get close, then just skip it. But its hard to say exactly where the point is. Take a read through this:

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf
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Smaller alternative to RF42iis for back surrounds?

So the setup in my siggy is what I was planning to do now that I have the onkyo rz1100, but i ran into a problem. Due to the room configuration, my rf42II (back surrounds) need to be against the wall, which is not possible because the woofers fire from the back...therefore I am going to have to sell my RF42ii and get something smaller i can mount above overhead. Which set of speakers would be the best match, considering my setup, for back surrounds? I prefer something with at least the same power the RF 42ii has....any advice is appreciated.
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My Current setup (7.1.2):
Display - LG 65 inch OLED C7 // Receiver - Onkyo RZ1100
Fronts and Front Heights (ATMOS) - Klispch R-26FAs // Center - Klipsch RC-42ii
Side Surrounds - Klispch RS-42iis // Back Surrounds - Klipsch RF-42iis
Subwoofeer - Klipsch R-12SW // Remote - Logitech Harmony Ultimate Home

My Current setup (5.1.4):
Display - LG 65 inch OLED C7 // Receiver - Onkyo RZ1100
Fronts - Klispch RF-82IIs // Center - Klipsch RC-62II
Side Surrounds - Klispch RS-42IIs // Rear ATMOS (RH) - Klipsch RP-140SAs
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Second question first: I would look for a 2016 Denon X3300 for 7 channels (if that is the most you will ever do); or a Denon X4300 if you might go 9 or 11 channels. These have the best version of Audyssey and will process Dolby Vision for the Oled. These were on close out recently, if they are all gone I'd look on assessors4less for a refurb. The 2017 models are twice as much when not on sale and don't offer much if any upgraded features.

First question second: you want to do the best you can do in your room to meet Dolby Atmos speaker placement guidelines. The closer you get to meeting the guidelines, the better off you are. At some point if the room won't let you get close, then just skip it. But its hard to say exactly where the point is. Take a read through this:

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf
Thanks for the reply. I'll take a look at those speaker guidelines in a bit. I can't seem to find those models you are recommending; however, speaking of denon receivers, do you have experience with the avr-S720w? it's an oldr model as well and available in my area. is it a noticable step down from the x3300? does the 720 support dolby vision?


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Looking from the perspective of my side surrounds, can anyone give me advice? Should I angle them more toward my ear? The couches recline, and is my preferred seating position. Not sure if it would help much to have them angled directly toward my ears. Suggestions. Here is the rest of my set up. Any further suggestions or ideas are welcome.
The position of your side and rear surrounds depend on whether your focus is primarily on music or movies. For music, the classical position for surrounds are "around" 6' or so...most experiment with vertical placement or aiming up and down until it pleases the listener at the MLP. However, there is a completely different rationale for movies and particularly if there is 3D (Atmos, DTS:X, or Auro) sound in your future. Here, it is more critical to have adequate physical/vertical separation between the surrounds and the top/ceiling speakers. Therefore, the guidelines/recommendations for the surrounds is at or just above ear level while seated. This departure from the classical music positioning of the surrounds will provide/create the best/realistic 3D immersive effects as the director and mixer intended. Also keep in mind that for most, the room will likely present the greatest challenges for following these guidelines explicitly. The best advice is to experiment with your given situation and allow your ears to determine the limits of placement flexibility.
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Hi all. I'm hoping to get some advice with completing an atmos setup in my condo. My current setup involves a pair of klipsch RF82 front tower speakers and a klipsch RC62 centre channel. Installing ceiling speakers aren't an option in my condo so I've commited to a pair of klipsch RP140SA elevation speakers to sit above the RF82 speakers,
The RF82's with the RC62 are a highly regarded combination for the front stage. Also, many situations cannot accommodate in or on ceiling speakers. Dolby Atmos Enabled Speakers (DAES) such as the RP140SA's perform reasonably well when correctly positioned. The key is experiment with positioning until Atmos's immersive effects are maximized at and around the MLP.

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and I'll be purchasing an 8" klipsch sub as well.
This is where I would recommend further consideration. If you are primarily a movie fan, the most important speaker components will be your center speaker (for clear crisp dialogue) and subwoofer (for those blockbuster low frequency effects). Bottom line...you'll be disappointed with an 8" subwoofer. You want a canon to sound like a canon...rather than a pop gun. Please find a way to purchase minimally a 12" subwoofer when your budget allows. You will thank me later!

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I'm now debating to also go with a pair of rear speakers to complete the setup. I live in a small condo where my couch is placed in the middle of the room. There is 7 feet between the back of my couch and the rear wall, where my dining table is placed. I'd rather not place rear speakers on stands behind my couch because I think they'll be too close to the dining table. My only option is to wall-mount rear speakers on the rear wall about 3 feet above ear level. I'm considering the klipsch R14S for this.
Many enthusiasts are more than happy with a 5.x.2 or 5.x.4 system. Furthermore, for most movies, there really is not a lot of important content for the rear speakers. If you are set on a 7.x.2. or 7.x.4 system, I would recommend experimentation first. If you have a spare set of speakers (any will do or borrow some from a friend or buy and return a pair), place them on boxes, chairs, or short ladder at various distances behind your couch and at your rear wall. This should tell you if the rears are something you really want/need or not.

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Can a decent atmos experience be had without rear and side speakers?
For Atmos: Sides (must have)...Rears (not so much)

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And finally, would anyone be able to recommend a dolby atmos receiver with this setup?
@jjackkrash makes excellent recommendations above...agree totally!

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Room is used primarily for movies, very, very rare it is for music
If your use is primarily for movies and there will be no Atmos in you future, I would recommend leaving your surrounds where they are and aim the surrounds until they sound good to you at your MLP. If, however, you do upgrade to Atmos, at that time, it is recommended to lower your surrounds to ear level or just above to maximize the immersive effects of 3D sound. Good luck and enjoy!

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If your use is primarily for movies and there will be no Atmos in you future, I would recommend leaving your surrounds where they are and aim the surrounds until they sound good to you at your MLP. If, however, you do upgrade to Atmos, at that time, it is recommended to lower your surrounds to ear level or just above to maximize the immersive effects of 3D sound. Good luck and enjoy!
Sorry, forgot to add no Atmos in future
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Sorry, forgot to add no Atmos in future
No worries...you should be all set...just maybe minor aiming adjustments to your liking.

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So the setup in my siggy is what I was planning to do now that I have the onkyo rz1100, but i ran into a problem. Due to the room configuration, my rf42II (back surrounds) need to be against the wall, which is not possible because the woofers fire from the back...therefore I am going to have to sell my RF42ii and get something smaller i can mount above overhead. Which set of speakers would be the best match, considering my setup, for back surrounds? I prefer something with at least the same power the RF 42ii has....any advice is appreciated.
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My Current setup (7.1.2):
Display - LG 65 inch OLED C7 // Receiver - Onkyo RZ1100
Fronts and Front Heights (ATMOS) - Klispch R-26FAs // Center - Klipsch RC-42ii
Side Surrounds - Klispch RS-42iis // Back Surrounds - Klipsch RF-42iis
Subwoofeer - Klipsch R-12SW // Remote - Logitech Harmony Ultimate Home
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My Current setup (5.1.4):
Display - LG 65 inch OLED C7 // Receiver - Onkyo RZ1100
Fronts - Klispch RF-82IIs // Center - Klipsch RC-62II
Side Surrounds - Klispch RS-42IIs // Rear ATMOS (RH) - Klipsch RP-140SAs
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This is where I would recommend further consideration. If you are primarily a movie fan, the most important speaker components will be your center speaker (for clear crisp dialogue) and subwoofer (for those blockbuster low frequency effects). Bottom line...you'll be disappointed with an 8" subwoofer. You want a canon to sound like a canon...rather than a pop gun. Please find a way to purchase minimally a 12" subwoofer when your budget allows. You will thank me later!



Many enthusiasts are more than happy with a 5.x.2 or 5.x.4 system. Furthermore, for most movies, there really is not a lot of important content for the rear speakers. If you are set on a 7.x.2. or 7.x.4 system, I would recommend experimentation first. If you have a spare set of speakers (any will do or borrow some from a friend or buy and return a pair), place them on boxes, chairs, or short ladder at various distances behind your couch and at your rear wall. This should tell you if the rears are something you really want/need or not.



For Atmos: Sides (must have)...Rears (not so much)
Thank you very much for your reply. The reason I'm leaning towards the 8" sub is mainly because I live in a condo. If I lived in my own house you can bet I'd have gone 12" but I just doubt that I'd be playing low bass too loud anyway because of potential noise complaints. One of my direct neighbours has a baby too so I'm not sure how pleased they would be hearing loud movies coming from my place at any time during the day.


One of your other comments was interesting. Are side surround speakers really more important than rear surround speakers for atmos?? I definitely won't have the room for side speakers so that's unfortunate, so in your opinion, would I not be losing out too much by not having rear speakers at all? To be honest I think I could live with not having rear speakers but something tells me I might regret not putting them in.


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